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Quote from: aspiringlich;753896That's my question too. I haven't heard a single thing about it that makes me say, "Hey, that's brilliant, I have to play this game." I've watched a few of the live playtests on youtube, and it seemed to me like they were playing more-or-less the same ol' D&D.* Which is great. The same ol' D&D is what I love to play, but I don't see anything that makes me think that this is the edition of it that I should be playing.

*Though it did seem a little overpowered on the players' side.

That's pretty much where I am too.

Haters gonna hate.

Quote from: mcbobbo;753909Really???  Well, that IS curious.

Coupled with the 'OGL might only be for fans' possibility, 5e might just maybe be an attempt to put the OGL genie back in the bottle.

If they don't license their new, possibly-incompatible content to publishers, AND aggressively "protect their IP", that would make for a decidedly different landscape.

It seems suicidal to me, but then again so would be enabling another Paizo to outsell you at your own product.

Exciting times!  

I think the big one though is that Next modules will have to be geared with an eye on the fact that the PCs can spend their HD during quick rests to get back some HP. Assuming they get such breathers.

Most spells I think you could port over one way or the other without having to alter them actually. Though Next's Magic Missile and Fireball work very differently now. Essentially new spells in a way. That could actually be played up on.

Quote from: mcbobbo;753909Coupled with the 'OGL might only be for fans' possibility, 5e might just maybe be an attempt to put the OGL genie back in the bottle.

As far as I can tell, there's nothing in what I've seen of 5e that could not be cloned via material that is already open game content under the OGL. Unless you radically change D&D into something very different from TSR D&D and WOTC 3.x D&D you are going to likely end up with something relatively easy to clone via material already released as open game content under the OGL. By radically different, I mean something like 4e.

The genie can't really be put back in the bottle (which was one of the design goals of the OGL) without making D&D into something many D&D fans would not consider D&D. Even doing that doesn't put the genie back in the bottle as those who don't like your very different OGL-proof D&D just clone the original. 4e demonstrated the above very nicely. It changed D&D so much that it could not easily/safely be cloned with OGL material, but all the fans who did not want it just played a OGL clone of "traditional" D&D: Pathfinder, Swords & Wizardry, etc.

Quote from: gonster;753265But it looks like the people who actually stay with the OSR now are doing so either:

1) for the more unusual offerings of the OSR (Arrows of Indra or Woodland Warriors say).

2) for nostalgia only.

What do you guys think...

I don't really care for the "more unusual offerings," and I have no nostalgia for older DnD versions.

I play OSR, LotFP specifically, because I like the system better than anything else I've seen in a few years . To me, as I wasn't exposed at all to Basic DnD, it's a new game.

I think there are a lot of people out there like me; not jaded by edition wars and system bias. Therefore, I don't see 5th edition having a long term effect on the OSR. People have been writing their own adventures and campaigns, and making their own rule edits to the official versions of DnD since it started.

5th edition is just marketing hype made to look like a favor to the RPG community. People will play it, some of them will like it, and then 6th edition will come out and we'll be having this same boring discussion all over again. At some point, 5th edition will be considered Old School.

I wonder if OSR is even on their radar as such, besides just some people have made some successful games.

Quote from: gonster;753265But it looks like the people who actually stay with the OSR now are doing so either:

1) for the more unusual offerings of the OSR (Arrows of Indra or Woodland Warriors say).

2) for nostalgia only.

What do you guys think...

I think you forgot

3) for the enjoyment we get from the games we're currently playing, seeing no need to abandon them for a new one.

Quote from: dragoner;753942I wonder if OSR is even on their radar as such, besides just some people have made some successful games.

They aren't trust me. I barely know about 3-4 OSR games and I actually frequent RPG sites when life doesn't intrude. My demographic? Seriously? My personal circle has no clue. They mostly have no clue any game exists beyond what I introduce or what we currently play and care even less unless it's from a company they or our kids know about. (Tier 1 games it's only because of myself they hear about Tier 2).

OSR is Tier 3 at best but more likely Tier 4/5.

Quote from: aspiringlich;753947I think you forgot

3) for the enjoyment we get from the games we're currently playing, seeing no need to abandon them for a new one.

Yep.
Also, those games are pretty much new to me... I never played OD&D in the Wayback... just a brief stint of AD&D 1e. Had a juvenile hate on for TSR/AD&D for years... so no nostalgia for me, just a something new I've found that's interesting... and fun. Much more open to loose and wacky stuff than previous years of trying to be much more plausible/realistic/serious... something. Playing OSR games has loosened up all my other RPG gaming as well.

Quote from: Simlasa;753949Yep.
Also, those games are pretty much new to me... I never played OD&D in the Wayback... just a brief stint of AD&D 1e. Had a juvenile hate on for TSR/AD&D for years... so no nostalgia for me, just a something new I've found that's interesting... and fun. Much more open to loose and wacky stuff than previous years of trying to be much more plausible/realistic/serious... something. Playing OSR games has loosened up all my other RPG gaming as well.

I play and run Mage for that itch. Mage 1/2e is the very definition of GONZO. But good for you Simlasa for finding something you enjoy.

Quote from: Simlasa;753485I can't see 5e Basic replacing anything for me either. It's certainly not going to play like DCC and it's modules aren't going to be like the LotFP stuff.
I like the relatively 'punk' attitude of the OSR contingent.
To me D&D Basic will be just another OSR product, which I'll take a look at and mine for ideas. The Brand Name and the corporate bullshit attached have no draw for me... but a cheap/free Basic set is low-commitment enough for me to take a look.

Exactly. I'll definitely buy 5E unless the reviews will be terrible (which is unlikely - I played through the playtest and it was OK). But it probably won't really fill the ACKS (or Mongoose Traveller or SWN) niche I want to play in.

Quote from: aspiringlich;753947I think you forgot

3) for the enjoyment we get from the games we're currently playing, seeing no need to abandon them for a new one.

Those exist, but as you say they have no interest in migrating to a new system so it is pointless to try to sell 5e to them.

Quote from: Akrasia;753266Um, maybe some people simply will continue to prefer 0e D&D, Basic/Expert D&D, 1e AD&D, etc., over D&D 5e?

And some people might find themselves liking both OOP A/D&D and 5e.

I thought it was only possible to like one game system, and all others are satan spawn.

Like...both...inconceivable!!!