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Mearls on OGL

Started by Warthur, May 29, 2014, 03:53:35 AM

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Warthur

May 29, 2014, 03:53:35 AM
Here.

Nothing concrete except that:
- There will be some sort of third party support arrangement.
- It's not going to start until the system's completely out so people have time to digest it.
- In particular, they want people to have a decent amount of time to study the new DMG because that gives in-depth explanations of how the mechanics hang together and what the consequences of tinkering are.
- 3rd party support is not going to kick off until early 2015.

Frankly, I'm happy with this if it means we avoid getting an early glut of products churned out before people are even familiar with the system.
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Scott Anderson

#1
May 29, 2014, 04:14:54 AM
It sounds as if they learned... Something... From the 3e OGL.  Perhaps there will still be a good navigable window to produce our own stuff without too much problem.
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JeremyR

#2
May 29, 2014, 04:42:59 AM
QuoteFrankly, I'm happy with this if it means we avoid getting an early glut of products churned out before people are even familiar with the system.

Hah. WOTC's own early 3e products were as bad as anything third parties produced.

I remember in one case, they forgot to include an attack bonus progression for one of the prestige classes and then tried to defend it as deliberate...

But basically this ls like saying only Hollywood should make movies, because it means there won't be a glut of crappy movies.

Warthur

#3
May 29, 2014, 05:00:10 AM
It's more like saying that you need to know how to operate a camera to shoot movies, and since the full instruction manual for the camera isn't out until November...
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Exploderwizard

#4
May 29, 2014, 08:22:32 AM
It seems like a smart business move to allow WOTC to get their material to market first. Quality products will rise to the top anyway.
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Warthur

#5
May 29, 2014, 08:25:29 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a gap before the OGL kicked into effect with 3E and the GSL came into effect with 4E?

If the licensing arrangement this time is like the OGL - as in it's effectively a perpetual licence - then it feels like letting Wizards enjoy a few months of exclusivity is a small price to pay for the much longer period of non-exclusivity they're going to put on offer.
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Joey2k

#6
May 29, 2014, 08:26:32 AM
Wow, it really seems like they are doing just about everything right this time.
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Exploderwizard

#7
May 29, 2014, 08:29:10 AM
Quote from: Warthur;753725Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a gap before the OGL kicked into effect with 3E and the GSL came into effect with 4E?

If the licensing arrangement this time is like the OGL - as in it's effectively a perpetual licence - then it feels like letting Wizards enjoy a few months of exclusivity is a small price to pay for the much longer period of non-exclusivity they're going to put on offer.

Not that I remember for 3E. The Freeport modules from Green Ronin were available at launch with the core books.
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Warthur

#8
May 29, 2014, 08:40:14 AM
Was that by special arrangement with Green Ronin, or could anyone get access to the SRD at that point?
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May 29, 2014, 08:49:00 AM Last Edit: May 29, 2014, 08:53:01 AM by Exploderwizard
Quote from: Warthur;753729Was that by special arrangement with Green Ronin, or could anyone get access to the SRD at that point?

I have no idea, but I remember there being product almost as early from other publishers too.

I remember something at the time of pre-release about interested publishers being able to get access to the rules. They would have to in order to get product out at or near launch.
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Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Zeea

#10
May 29, 2014, 09:02:48 AM
The first Creature Catalogue predated the 3e Monster Manual, IIRC. But they were working from an unfinished rules draft that changed when 3e came out.

Also, back then, the d20 license was less defined and there were a lot more gentlemen's agreements in place. Beholders, mind flayers, and the like weren't declared off-limits until later, for instance.

crkrueger

#11
May 29, 2014, 09:29:37 AM
Quote from: Warthur;753725Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a gap before the OGL kicked into effect with 3E and the GSL came into effect with 4E?
Not with 3e.  There was a way 3pp could sign up for early access to the SRD specifically so they could have product ready for launch.  For 3e the adventure that shipped on the cd was pretty good, but then came Sunless Citadel and the wheels started to come off the wagon with the very first stand alone module.
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mcbobbo

#12
May 29, 2014, 10:31:21 AM
"Fans"?  Is that an interesting word to use?

What if, for example, they upcoming license is non-commercial only?

It's a molehill to nitpick a word, admittedly.   But still, worries me a bit.
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Marleycat

#13
May 29, 2014, 10:32:03 AM
It really sounds like they have learned some good lessons from 3/4e. If they do this right they could really focus on quality instead of quantity.
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Spellslinging Sellsword

#14
May 29, 2014, 10:53:34 AM
Quote from: mcbobbo;753753"Fans"?  Is that an interesting word to use?

What if, for example, they upcoming license is non-commercial only?

It's a molehill to nitpick a word, admittedly.   But still, worries me a bit.

Maybe release the basic rules as CC-BY-NC?
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