Quote from: Zenoguy3 on December 31, 2024, 12:26:24 PM

Quote from: a_wanderer on December 31, 2024, 11:25:28 AMEven from a pragmatic angle, what's there to gain?

Control. The inclusion of this gives mentally and emotionally stunted aspiring karens the ability to control the DMs game, no questions asked.

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This. This is a case of socially maldajusted people trying to get on the top of the socially maladjusted hierarchy.

You know, it's not so bad, my group's been doing just that for years and I just never put two and two together.  Our signal phase is, "Fuck You Dave."

Quote from: https://theangrygm.com/office-hours-personal-boundaries/There is strong, documented evidence that giving people an implied promise of safety from discomfort combined with the idea that exposure to discomfort constitutes actual, tangible harm, does deep psychological damage to people. It turns them brittle. It renders them delicate and unable to cope with stressors.

Quote from: David Johansen on December 31, 2024, 01:32:47 PMYou know, it's not so bad, my group's been doing just that for years and I just never put two and two together.  Our signal phase is, "Fuck You Dave."

Many such cases. as it should be

Millennials are so fucking weak.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on December 31, 2024, 01:26:33 PM

Quote from: antonioGUAK on December 31, 2024, 10:45:05 AM

what do you think?

I'll be the first to say that more than a few D&D players can be socially deaf and awkward. Having said that, this is the socially deaf and awkward solution. X cards and hand signals are passive aggressive nonsense, and I hear come from sexual bondage terminology.
The only thing I agree with is that if a player is uncomfortable they should let the group know. Be a friggin adult and actually communicate with the group.
And accept that the group may not want to cater to your particular quirk, and you may be asked to deal with it or leave. I'm not put on this earth to play Therapist at the gaming table.

I agree, BDSM came to mind immediately when I read that quote.

This is the type of thing people do when they're not friends. I only play RPGs with my friends.

Quote from: antonioGUAK on December 31, 2024, 10:45:05 AMwhat do you think?

If someone in my game makes a gesture like an X or say "Stop" because they cannot handle the material I am going to make a gesture of my own.

Its the gesture of me poiting to the door and me telling them to get lost.

Quote from: Brad on December 31, 2024, 12:43:27 PMNot this crap again...if you're so weak that you can't handle a typical D&D session, you should probably seek help and get some medication.

This.   It would be great if everyone could play games but the reality is, some people simply can't handle them.

Quote from: RPGPundit on December 31, 2024, 04:51:03 PMMillennials are so fucking weak.

No Shit.   I saw someone on the big purple complaining about the tomb of horrors saying that it is unfair and it is only playable if the DM gives the players a break and make it less leathal.   I saw someone talking about playing Tomb or Horror using 5e  and they said while characters died, they were able to be reserected and that there were no "permanent deaths".

Players these days are soft.

Quote from: GhostNinja on December 31, 2024, 05:29:37 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on December 31, 2024, 04:51:03 PMMillennials are so fucking weak.

No Shit.   I saw someone on the big purple complaining about the tomb of horrors saying that it is unfair and it is only playable if the DM gives the players a break and make it less leathal.   I saw someone talking about playing Tomb or Horror using 5e  and they said while characters died, they were able to be reserected and that there were no "permanent deaths".

Players these days are soft.

Heh.

The Tomb of Temporary Setbacks

The biggest problem with "safety tools" is that they are not safe at all.

If you triggered someone at the table, the damage is already done. Stopping the game ruins everyone's experience. It's disruptive and stinks of attention-grabbing derailment.

I've seen people bring this shit to a con game and it never gets used. No one is going to cause a scene in pubic with strangers. Well, most people won't anyways.

The only thing that works is having a discussion before play. Better yet, have some idea of what terrible things will be in the game and just be upfront about it. Then players can decide to exit stage left and save everyone the fucking agony of turning a game into a high-drama tv show.

If you're triggered by violence, or a drunk dwarf trying to pick up a barmaid, or monsters, or blood, or dark confined spaces, what in the fucking hell are you doing playing D&D?

Quote from: Wisithir on December 31, 2024, 01:34:38 PM

Quote from: https://theangrygm.com/office-hours-personal-boundaries/There is strong, documented evidence that giving people an implied promise of safety from discomfort combined with the idea that exposure to discomfort constitutes actual, tangible harm, does deep psychological damage to people. It turns them brittle. It renders them delicate and unable to cope with stressors.

The bolded part is the key problem.

There's nothing wrong with making a game comfortable (i.e. free from discomfort). It's a fucking game, not therapy or military training. I have no problem with people playing horror games of confronting deep fears, but I also have no problem with playing a game that's just easy happy fun.

The converse is this:

Quote from: GhostNinja on December 31, 2024, 05:29:37 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on December 31, 2024, 04:51:03 PMMillennials are so fucking weak.

No Shit.  I saw someone on the big purple complaining about the tomb of horrors saying that it is unfair and it is only playable if the DM gives the players a break and make it less leathal.  I saw someone talking about playing Tomb or Horror using 5e  and they said while characters died, they were able to be reserected and that there were no "permanent deaths".

Players these days are soft.

So, they're wrong to say that it's not playable - but they're also not wrong to prefer a lower-lethality D&D.

I play high-lethality Call of Cthulhu, but that doesn't mean that I'm tougher than someone who plays a different RPG. It's just a different preference of how to have fun. Just like watching action movies doesn't mean that someone is really a tough guy.

I used to think such things would be useful at a convention but really they should have special non offensive games available for fragile people. Don't force normal people to comply.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on December 31, 2024, 06:53:57 PMThe Tomb of Temporary Setbacks

So this is the future we have arrived at: all games are now variants of Toon?

Quote from: jhkim on December 31, 2024, 08:49:37 PMSo, they're wrong to say that it's not playable - but they're also not wrong to prefer a lower-lethality D&D.

I play high-lethality Call of Cthulhu, but that doesn't mean that I'm tougher than someone who plays a different RPG. It's just a different preference of how to have fun. Just like watching action movies doesn't mean that someone is really a tough guy.

Someone who can't bear to watch action movies because it will traumatise him is certainly not a tough guy.