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May 24th D&D Next Playtest Docs - Share your feedback here

Started by Benoist, May 24, 2012, 12:15:22 PM

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Garnfellow

#675
May 31, 2012, 10:43:06 AM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;544041It's a taste thing. I dislike mother-may-I intensely.
  • I can understand why your mother would hate you
  • Thus I can understand why you would hate "mother may I"
  • Q.E.D.
 

Drohem

#676
May 31, 2012, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: thedungeondelver;544044Man, I hope an enthusiastic newcomer to the game never runs into someone like TCO; guys like him give D&D a bad name.  Kids will want to play the newest game that gives them the most options, and getting an earful from some neckbeard like TCO who does nothing but bitch and complain and tell people the game sucks and only the old, out-of-print, no longer supported versions are good harms the chance of getting new blood into the game.  Honestly, the hobby would be better off if guys like him who are holding the hobby back just quit playing altogether.

Damn, TDD, you've turned parroting AM into a freakin' art form! :)

Bedrockbrendan

#677
May 31, 2012, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;544046Why would I do something like that instead of just sticking with 4E? If I have to make major changes to 5E to make it tolerable, there just isn't any point. I have an edition of D&D I'm satisfied with, WotC needs to do better than that.

Then you should play it. I am just having a bit of fun using the 4venger arguments against them :) (remember all those suggestions for how to houserule healing surges and class powers to fit a more 3e or 1e style of gaming?).

Seriously though, I think the problem 4e people will face is when they take it off DDI (which I am about 95% certain they will do). You will still have the books, but I imagine with all the people who rely on DDI, that is going to present an issue for 4e campaigns.

thecasualoblivion

#678
May 31, 2012, 10:49:28 AM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;544045You keep using this term, even when it's shown to be nothing more than a flimsly excuse.  Where do you draw the line?  Does 4e have a rule for every possible scenario?

What's 4e's rule when casting a fireball down a hallway covered in poisonous goo?  What's 4e's rule when your 1st level character wants to jump off his horse, tackle the opponent while in the same motion roll up in a tumble and attack the guy behind him?  What pages are these rules at?

It seems that every edition requires DM rulings at some point, so where exactly are you drawing the line?  Or are you just yet again resorting to hyperbole because your argument falls apart upon scrutiny?

I don't understand why people have so much vitriol for a DM being able to make calls.  They were originally called a referee for a reason, and are still called Dungeon Master for a reason you know.  Show me on the doll where the DM touched you.
It's simple preference. I don't see where it needs to be any more than that. I prefer the way 4E and 3E handle this to the point where I have next to no desire to play a D&D that goes back towards mother-may-I.
"Other RPGs tend to focus on other aspects of roleplaying, while D&D traditionally focuses on racially-based home invasion, murder and theft."--The Little Raven, RPGnet

"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

thedungeondelver

#679
May 31, 2012, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: Drohem;544048Damn, TDD, you've turned parroting AM into a freakin' art form! :)

It's really just a matter of rearranging a few key phrases; it's all AM and TCO ever say, ultimately.

If I didn't have halloween jack on ignore it might provide a few more elements to combine for the lulz but eh, whatevs.

It beats back writing a macro that dumps GO BACK TO SOMETHINGAWFUL. and hitting that in reply every time, eh?
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Benoist

#680
May 31, 2012, 10:55:32 AM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;544041I don't really deal in "ifs". When they change the playtest to something like what you describe above, I'll form a new opinion on that.
Dude, that defeats the entire purpose of what Mearls suggests. You don't need to change the playtest to have what jibba proposed on this thread. All you got to do is talk to your DM and you know, have an actual conversation before the game starts to hammer down the few points he suggested, and you're golden. How hard is that, honestly? Are you a human being capable of social interactions?

Drohem

#681
May 31, 2012, 10:56:01 AM
Quote from: thedungeondelver;544053It beats back writing a macro that dumps GO BACK TO SOMETHINGAWFUL. and hitting that in reply every time, eh?

... and far more entertaining. :D

Benoist

#682
May 31, 2012, 10:57:40 AM Last Edit: May 31, 2012, 11:11:05 AM by Benoist
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;544051It's simple preference. I don't see where it needs to be any more than that. I prefer the way 4E and 3E handle this to the point where I have next to no desire to play a D&D that goes back towards mother-may-I.

What you call mother-may-I, us human beings like to refer to as "talking to each other."

thecasualoblivion

#683
May 31, 2012, 10:59:37 AM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;544050Then you should play it. I am just having a bit of fun using the 4venger arguments against them :) (remember all those suggestions for how to houserule healing surges and class powers to fit a more 3e or 1e style of gaming?).

Seriously though, I think the problem 4e people will face is when they take it off DDI (which I am about 95% certain they will do). You will still have the books, but I imagine with all the people who rely on DDI, that is going to present an issue for 4e campaigns.

You'd have a point if 5E was on shelves, as opposed to in development. At this point the idea is to provide feedback to push WotC into making 5E into something acceptable.
"Other RPGs tend to focus on other aspects of roleplaying, while D&D traditionally focuses on racially-based home invasion, murder and theft."--The Little Raven, RPGnet

"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

Sacrosanct

#684
May 31, 2012, 11:01:19 AM Last Edit: May 31, 2012, 11:04:03 AM by Sacrosanct
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;544051It's simple preference. I don't see where it needs to be any more than that. I prefer the way 4E and 3E handle this to the point where I have next to no desire to play a D&D that goes back towards mother-may-I.

Didn't answer the question.  Every edition has DM rulings, so why do you insist on using the "mother may I" fallacy?  If pre 4e relied on DM rulings, and 4e didn't have any DM rulings, then maybe you'd have a point.

But they don't.  And you don't.

*Edit*  Look, if you like 4e best, more power to you.  But don't base your argument on something as stupid as a "mother may I" fallacy.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Bedrockbrendan

#685
May 31, 2012, 11:04:45 AM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;544057You'd have a point if 5E was on shelves, as opposed to in development. At this point the idea is to provide feedback to push WotC into making 5E into something acceptable.

Well your post seemed to indicate this was a dealbreaker for you. If you had just said you didn't like it but would still play I wouldn't have posted that.

Personally I am encouraged by this development.

thecasualoblivion

#686
May 31, 2012, 11:05:51 AM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;544058Didn't answer the question.  Every edition has DM rulings, so why do you insist on using the "mother may I" fallacy?  If pre 4e relied on DM rulings, and 4e didn't have any DM rulings, then maybe you'd have a point.

But they don't.  And you don't.

It is a part of any RPG, but the amount varies. As I dislike it, I want as little of it as possible. 3E or 4E would be examples of codified rules to avoid and minimize DM fiat.
"Other RPGs tend to focus on other aspects of roleplaying, while D&D traditionally focuses on racially-based home invasion, murder and theft."--The Little Raven, RPGnet

"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

thecasualoblivion

#687
May 31, 2012, 11:07:11 AM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;544059Well your post seemed to indicate this was a dealbreaker for you. If you had just said you didn't like it but would still play I wouldn't have posted that.

Personally I am encouraged by this development.

I don't think the current playtest is set in stone, not to be changed in response to negative feedback.
"Other RPGs tend to focus on other aspects of roleplaying, while D&D traditionally focuses on racially-based home invasion, murder and theft."--The Little Raven, RPGnet

"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

Bedrockbrendan

#688
May 31, 2012, 11:18:18 AM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;544061I don't think the current playtest is set in stone, not to be changed in response to negative feedback.

No. But i was responding specifically to your dealbreaker comment. If you are okay working around it, then it shouldn't be a dealbreaker if they stay the course (and there is a good chance they will). I wasn't telling you not to give negative feedback about it.

Black Vulmea

#689
May 31, 2012, 11:19:26 AM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;5440603E or 4E would be examples of codified rules to avoid and minimize DM fiat.
Yeah, like the unambiguous rules for a horse climbing a cliff.
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