Quote from: Marleycat;543822But they love me over there, seriously.

On the 10 lbs rule to the junk? If I ever meet CK FtF I'll be happy to prove the theory true, remember I am the only girl in my birth family with more than a couple of brothers ...lets not go into my foster families.

@Jj, first magic missle and now mage hand? You and Ben are two Grumpy Old Men in my opinion.
 
It's an insubstantial hand for Jesus sake! It's not a great combat spell unless you're hidden and somehow achieve "advantage" for the effect.  Such as floating it behind your target and bonking them on the head with a rock .....

You must have not liked your brothers much if you ripped their scrotums off...

Quote from: CRKrueger;543823You must have not liked your brothers much if you ripped their scrotums off...

Who me? Why do that when a good blow achieves the desired effect?  Codpieces are your best friend gentlemen.

Quote from: Marleycat;543827Who me? Why do that when a good blow achieves the desired effect?

A blow so good your nuts blow off?  That's a mighty boast!

Quote from: Marleycat;543827Why do that when a good blow achieves the desired effect?  

:rotfl:

Quote from: Marleycat;543827Why do that when a good blow achieves the desired effect?

"So THAT's how it is in their family."

Quote from: Kord's Boon;543816Maybe this could work, but any caster who literally walks forwards while you are applying the maximum load disrupts the spell by going over load. In that eventuality you have to spend an action to cast it again, another to move it into place (and provided the caster does not move away) and once more to go for the loins. That is if you first completely neglect any clothing or armor the wizards has, or if he shielded himself... or if they happen to be a woman.



Sure, provided the book is open and not bound by a belt, and the caster does not simply hold it close when he sees the hand.



"Hold still while I clumsily flail this scarf around please"



With one hand? 50 ft away? Without tactile feedback?



Doable (maybe), at the cost of two actions.



Sure,



Also sure, remember: spectral hand. Not invisible, not etheral.

I agree you could gimp it in many ways give it 3 DEX for eample (and I agree grapping the junk is definitely an attack) my point really is that that is a shame cos this stuff actually might be fun.

I have watched real life magicians take watch of someones wrist whilst talkinmg to them and not only are theirs hands actually attached to their arms but they aren't actually wizards... I would find it hard as a dm to argue that the npc notices the hand sneaking round behind him when the guy in front is threatening to cast a spell or chuck a flask of oil or merely engaging him in conversation.

So personally maker mage hand a first level spell and leave it be maybe even let it attack and think of something else for the cantrip

Quote from: jibbajibba;543838I agree you could gimp it in many ways give it 3 DEX for example

Nothing I said requires the hand to be "gimped" first. This is what I conclude from the spell description.

QuoteI have watched real life magicians.

As in an a performance? Full stop.

QuoteSo personally maker mage hand a first level spell and leave it be maybe even let it attack and think of something else for the cantrip

Sounds good. There also appears to be no issue using it as is however.

Quote from: Drucifer;543382Don't know about other folks, but I just found this page a week or so ago.

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Another one that makes me pretty happy.

Quote from: jadrax;543951http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4ll/20120531#80545

Another one that makes me pretty happy.

That all looks pretty good to me.

I should really try to convince Mearls to explicitly state in the final product, in either the Magic Missile description and/or the Darkness description, that casting magic missile at the darkness has no effect.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;543958I should really try to convince Mearls to explicitly state in the final product, in either the Magic Missile description and/or the Darkness description, that casting magic missile at the darkness has no effect.

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Tell Mearls to format the spells a little better so I don't have to hunt through the damn spell description to find out what it does.

Quote from: jadrax;543951http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4ll/20120531#80545

Another one that makes me pretty happy.

I've died and gone to heaven Dnd is turning into the best parts of 2/3e and Fantasy Craft. The best part of the game is saying to the DM "I'm gonna try...." and hearing them say "Cool,  go for it, roll....".

Quote from: jibbajibba;543628Mine is Magic needs to be consistent.

That isn't 'magic'.  That is 'science'.  Possibly 'crafting'.  A game system should only emulate the actual physics of a setting; ie, fire burns; creatures with wings can fly; rocks fall, people die; etc.  It doesn't really matter how a ball of fire is created, just that it fills up this certain volume and the intensity causes this much damage and is able to melt this certain kind of metal.  Opening a rift to the Elemental Plane of Fire, drawing the heat out of a nugget of sulphur, sympathetically creating an explosion from a glob of bat guano...  doesn't matter what causes it.  The only thing the rules can reasonably address is what the effects are.

QuoteEffectively I want the rules of magic to be such that anyone can create a spell that fits with the system and doesn't break it, through following its internal rules.

Spell Y has this range, that casting time, and does Xd6 points of damage.  Done.  The rest is set design.

QuoteI would to be honest prefer magic to be explained as a set of rules rather than a set of effects that derive from those rules but one sells books and is IP protected and one takes ages to use in play so meh.

Then you should adopt a form of Mage for your games.

QuoteI want explanations in the game world for how dragons fly, I want to know what binds a ghost to the world and what happens when you exorsise one.

That is my job when I put the Viking Hat on.  I don't want some game designer padding their rules with all kinds of nonsense assumptions I may not want or need in my campaign.  The absolute minimum assumptions and impacts from spells or other magic related topics.  "Magic items exist, and here are their effects"; I will decide how, why and with what frequency they exist.

Kudos for getting a Mage shoutout in as a point in your argument. I'm embarrassed I didn't make that analogy/point already.