Quote from: Bassetking;543056No, not unreasonable at all! You mean just like the way 4e handles powers; it's crystal clear.

Welcome.

"How can you trip an ooze" never bothered me as much as the absolute around the bend fucking insanity of "Just because that guy can turn into a swarm of bugs doesn't mean he can act like a swarm of bugs" (to move through bars in a cage/cell, under a door, etc.)

Quote from: jeff37923;543072No, he is serious. People were asking how you can manage to trip an ooze when the power description demanded it and it royally fucked immersion.

Thanks for reminding me everything can be correct at least twice a day.  Like BT and a clock. Seriously?

Quote from: thedungeondelver;543076"How can you trip an ooze" never bothered me as much as the absolute around the bend fucking insanity of "Just because that guy can turn into a swarm of bugs doesn't mean he can act like a swarm of bugs" (to move through bars in a cage/cell, under a door, etc.)

Oh, the swarm shit was another great one to watch immersion destroyed at the description of powers. The weeping and wailing of 4vengers was icing on the cake.

(Honestly though, it was just crappy writing by WotC freelancers who had no clue about the game.)

Quote from: thedungeondelver;543076"How can you trip an ooze" never bothered me as much as the absolute around the bend fucking insanity of "Just because that guy can turn into a swarm of bugs doesn't mean he can act like a swarm of bugs" (to move through bars in a cage/cell, under a door, etc.)

Yeah I remember that crap. I gave my books away after that even though I loved the Swordmage.

Quote from: jeff37923;543024Get a room you two.

Quote from: Marleycat;543026But he's in Canada and I'm in Missouri it will never work.

Heh.

Quote from: DestroyYouAlot;543080Heh.

I know.

Oh well, at least they will always have the Barcelona Summit.

It's amore, baby.

To get back to the gaytest, I've noticed a trend: people who play 5e like an old-school game have fun with it while those who play it like a new-school game do not.  Basically, if you treat the playtest as a series of discrete encounters that the players approach, engage, and overcome in the way you might a minis wargame, it's going to suck.  If, on the other hand, you treat the dungeons as a living environment within the game world and engage it with creativity (not your 2[W] + Strength power), you're going to have a lot of fun.

Quote from: jeff37923;543081I know.

Oh well, at least they will always have the Barcelona Summit.

It's amore, baby.

I can still hear you asshole.

Quote from: Marleycat;543084I can still hear you asshole.

It's like having the sister I never had!

Quote from: B.T.;543083To get back to the gaytest, I've noticed a trend: people who play 5e like an old-school game have fun with it while those who play it like a new-school game do not.  Basically, if you treat the playtest as a series of discrete encounters that the players approach, engage, and overcome in the way you might a minis wargame, it's going to suck.  If, on the other hand, you treat the dungeons as a living environment within the game world and engage it with creativity (not your 2[W] + Strength power), you're going to have a lot of fun.

Stop being right it breaks my "IMMERSION". You, like clocks only get to be correct twice a day.

Quote from: Bassetking;543056No, not unreasonable at all! You mean just like the way 4e handles powers; it's crystal clear.

Your point?  It is?

Quote from: jeff37923;543085It's like having the sister I never had!

I have 3 half brothers and a few foster brothers so one more would be cool.  I am a good sister really. My brothers did introduce me to the hobby so they aren't that bad unless you mistreat me.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;542996. . . unusable . . .

You keep on using that word.

I do not think it means what you think it means.

I have been busy for a few days and have no wish to read this entire thread.

From what I have scanned there is an obvious issue round magic. It's something I flagged in the D&D Next wizard thread.
Either magic is a game effect or it's a physics effect. If a fireball is a game effect that does Xd6 damage to y targets within z feet of each other then fine. It won't be able to burn off poison from hidden darts, melt ice or whatever it will be a disasociated effect.
If Magic is a physics effect then a fireball can do loads of things and that is where the discussion lies. The Player might argue that the heat from a fireball will evaporate the liquid in a potion bottle, or burn up a scroll or lots of other things. Things you could never encapculate in a rule book because each effect would have 4 pages of rules.

It is at this level that the automatic never misses Magic missile becomes an issue, for example. If I can hit something 100' away unearingly I can put out a candle, extinguish a torch, Hey why can't I target the wizard's staff to cause him to make a save or drop it, etc etc.

I think this is a very basic split in RPGs and its the very clear difference between 1e and 4e. It touchs everything from HP through to combat styles and magic to skills and 'feats'. Where on the continum from Physics engine to game do you want to draw that line.

Like I say I have been busy so I haven't yet had a chance to download the playtest, hoping to do it tonight, the question is on this crucial topic where does DNDN sit.