Quote from: Marleycat;543027What is this My Little Pony crap you keep mentioning?  I bet I am near your age so this baffles me. Ok, here's a question....would your panties be in such a twist if Magic Missle wasn't at-will? Hate to break to you but Psionics and spellpoints ARE baseline. They are in 1e just like Bards.

Quote from: Benoist;543030As an OPTION, in the Appendices. In both cases. Hence, not baseline in the 1e game, I'm afraid. And one of my favorite characters of all time, Odhanan, is a 1e bard. You keep barking at the wrong tree. Read my posts.

Now would I mind as much if Magic Missile wasn't part of that list? Well I think Ray of Frost is more powerful than it looks, especially as an at-will, but not nearly as much, no.

Quote from: Marleycat;543040I know it's an option, do you think I'm stupid? But it's a baseline option.

Quote from: Benoist;543041A "baseline option"? That's not making any sense. An option isn't part of the baseline of the game. It's an option. And yes, saying stuff like this does make you sound either stupid, or desperate to get away from the moronic line of thought you've been following on this particular topic. And no, I won't give you a break and be nice just because you're a chick.

Quote from: Marleycat;543043Meaning it's an option that doesn't change the baseline.  Clear?  

Who cares about my gender? I respect you all the more for pulling no punches.  (Finishing with saying the opposite which just confuses everything and will just ignore as the last trashing attempts to save a bankrupt argument)

Quote from: Sacrosanct;543002Here's my deal with it.  Now, I consider myself a fairly smart guy, but I know I'm not Stephen Hawking.  The spell says that it brings the target's movement to zero.  That's the important thing.  When I read the spell description, that to me is what is really important and is the intent of the spell.

OK, got it.  Stops movement.  All that other stuff? Encased in ice, shivering, hovering vs levitating?  That's not as important as stopping movement because stopping movement is what is the actual requirement of that spell design and function.  So, in my very humble opinion, use whatever flavor text and/or ruling that you want to as long as the spell's core function is applied. Do you want it to drop flying creatures? Great, knock yourself out.  Do you NOT want it to drop flying creatures?  Great, knock yourself out.  But if you're at a standstill and can't figure out a solution, ANY solution?  Sorry, but maybe you shouldn't be playing a game that requires interpretation.

Am I being unreasonable here?

Quote from: Benoist;543052So it's not part of the baseline. It's an option. We're clear. Now if at-wills for Wizards were part of these appendices options in Next, I'd be totally cool with it and what's more, I might use a few of these options myself, like I used the bard and psionics rules of AD&D's appendices in different games. All cool with me.

As for your gender, my point is that it doesn't matter to me, but I've been feeling like I've been criticized for being harsh to you, and I'm wondering if this is related with some feelings of misplaced chivalry and such, in which case I precise: the fact you are a chick makes no difference to me whatsoever. I won't treat you specially because of that. I know you expect as much.

Quote from: Bassetking;543056No, not unreasonable at all! You mean just like the way 4e handles powers; it's crystal clear.

Quote from: jadrax;543065Effect dictating description is indeed the 4th edition design, which is why we had so many pages of people demanding to know how do you trip an ooze.

Quote from: BenoistThe Rule 0 Fallacy construed as such (a hardline logical fallacy) is a bullshit WotC era meme that only total idiots full of themselves and their supposedly analytical minds brandish to then bend the knee at the altar of the rules as written, talking about the rules on this or that message board in a complete vacuum divorced from the actual human interactions occurring at an actual game table, which is, you know, the actual point of role playing games. It's the first step towards bullshit armchair theory and piling up rules upon rules and caveats upon caveats to catter to the lowest common denominator, i.e. the eunuch DM who can't make a coherent ruling to save his life and can't deal with the other players in a responsible, human manner in the first place.

Quote from: B.T.;543069Not this shit again.

Quote from: Marleycat;543066I don't think you can. So I play Fantasy Craft and Pathfinder where it's understood you can't. Tripping a giant Ameoba? Really..seriously?