Quote from: VisionStorm on March 16, 2023, 03:45:14 PMGG exposed all that and helped set things on track. But without Hulk Hogan and Peter Thiel's money Gawker would still be around.

Agreed. GG made people aware that a culture was was being fought AT ALL. But it didn't carve out a space.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 16, 2023, 04:09:50 PMWhen you look at woke, you look are purse puppying and writing being written down to a 6 year old level.

And making things edgy for the explicit reason of being edgy raises it from 6 to 16 years old, but that still leaves allot of people underserved.

If you want to use SJW tactics that they used to dominate the entertainment space until recently where they where forced into overt force: Be subtle about your message.

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Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 15, 2023, 10:10:13 PM
You're set, the blue haired landwhales will Reeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Re-envision hags from being wiry to horrendously fat, and instead of doing green, annis and night, order them according to hair colour. And then place them on the cover as monsters for the heroes to fight.

Or embrace the classic elements of monsters so as to create a timeless product that will remain relevant after the landwhales have clotshotted themselves into oblivion.

Look at Hogwarts Legacy and how the left did everything they could to sell the game.  Look at TSR and how it used the Satanic Panic to sell their games.  I get that a lot of people are scared, like you, but I'd rather have a game with fun in it than something written to D&D's standards, which frankly are horrible.  D&D is supposed to be 12 and up, in reality its at an 8 and up and moving down to 6 and up very soon.  Putting out adult games of D&D will sell quite well.

Hogwarts Legacy didn't succeed by being Edgelordy. It succeeded by being a well-crafted game with a good story that would have fit right in to any point of pre-Woke culture. The same with Top Gun Maverick; no anti-woke edgelording... just a solid well-crafted story with heroes to root for and gorgeous non-CGI cinematography.

Its not fear that has me objecting... its that I think the idea of going Edgelord in the opposite direction is stupid and counterproductive and its not going to attract anyone but other fringe edgelords.

I wasn't Edgelording in the 90's when it was cool. I'm certainly not doing it now as some desperate gasp for attention. I have my own work on a Superversive* setting that is every bit as toxic to the Woke but without the pretentious "look at me" wankery.

So, yes, enjoy your pretentious "now with extra offensive language and demonic imagery from the 80-90s" and "more lines on pages depicting breasts with twice the cup size" being sold off of websites which need NSFW disclaimers and then wonder why no one takes you or your product seriously.

* Superversive means having fun with your friends playing in a world where heroes are heroic, where people are basically good (and those that are not are villains you can defeat), where courage, honor and virtue matter, where true love and beauty are eternal, hope is real and, even though it may struggle and stumble, good can triumph in the end. Whether these things are really true or not... they are worth believing in and, God willing, the love I have for the setting and its themes of timeless virtue will carry over into my finished product and that will in turn draw people to it.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 16, 2023, 02:58:10 PM
When you look at woke, you look are purse puppying and writing being written down to a 6 year old level.  Putting in content to state you are specifically NOT doing that does not mean you are racist, it means the content is written for humans to enjoy and the content is not written for Zombies in the woke cult who don't buy rpg content in the first place.

Again, Hogwarts Legacy and Top Gun Maverick didn't need "Artist Statements" declaring themselves anti-woke. Good stories and content are anti-woke by definition and need no statements to say so.

What you claim is edgelording is in fact having fun.  Injecting some fun into a RPG is a good thing.  Woke sucks the fun out of the content and turns its into a flavorless husk.  And by "Artist Statements", its called marketing.  How many people really want to buy a module written by a sensitivity reader to do edutatinment about the troubles of the black eskimo who caught HIV from the non-binary white supremacist dragon?  D&D isn't at that level yet, but the gay cripple in the combat wheel chair with the gay Mandingo is approaching that level of dried out cringe.

You can use marketing to show that the content is not woke, use the woke to market for you and make quite a bit of money.  You don't have to be afraid, you do have to put out good content however and you should use the woke to market for you.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 16, 2023, 04:34:19 PMWhat you claim is edgelording is in fact having fun.

Doom (the games) are fun. Superjail is fun. I think Dark Sun is fun. While I consider it absolute trash, I can concede that Goblin Slayer can be fun. I consider Berserk on the preachy side philosophically, but it is also fun. What makes something edge-lording is explicitly setting out to piss people off.

Making niche product for the niche crowd that buys it anyway, isn't in any way underpinning SJW stranglehold. You're locking yourself away for their benefit, and somehow think you're making a difference.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on March 16, 2023, 01:19:12 PM
I don't read products written from spite. Countering SJW subversive spite with your own spite just makes 2 shit products.

Creativity defined by opposition tends to be shit. Write for what you stand for, not what you don't stand for.

I'm not sure I agree completely, but I will say that your position is closest to mine.  From a practical perspective, the only types of things that make sense from a product perspective are "You built something you stand for" and sometimes "You built a parody or satire of something you don't stand for".  The second is arguably also the first, but I think it's different enough.

I think an issue is how unfair things can be.  Take Coyote and Crow, whose initial supposition is that some magic meteor killed all the Europeans (I'm not sure if it also nuked Asians, Africans, or Australians, but the point is that whites were all genocided).  The story then takes place in the Americas, where, guided by their magic meteor powers, the Americans have created a utopia.  The utopia is generally explicit- everyone has tribes (checkmark good in the mind of the developer) but there's no nationalism (because that's a bad white guy thing).  This is an extremely race-obsessed story, making a political statement that if all white people were killed, utopia would follow.  Then the author goes on anti-white rants, demanding white people buy his product but not actually play any Indian that maps to this or that or who fucking cares.  The community has dealt with this entire thing by realizing that he's a lolcow and the entire thing is absurd, right?

But this race-obsessed guy made a ton of cash with his race-obsessed game, and gets all manner of attention and publicity that a real game designer would have to fight so hard for in every direction.  Is it really out of line that, in light of this general injustice, that someone would put some ire into their product in response?

I agree, such a thing is a trap, but I totally get it.  And even the guys with the best of intentions flee from real-world content.  Alexander Macris provides a type of beastman it's safe to beat up, an irredeemable bad-guy, and he is careful to supply no actual valid complaints to his critics, stepping around any of the tropes that would be flavorful and cool, but would be used against him.  For this extraordinary effort he is openly libelled on reddit, a wonderful platform where he is called "a self-avowed Nazi" and similar (emphasis on the "self-identified / self-avowed / self-proclaimed" portion, because that means he said such a thing about himself- when of course he did not).  Call out these random shitbirds on that worthless platform and get downvoted or banned.  One thing they'll never provide is a source for their lies.

Anyway I get the ire.  It's all extremely frustrating.  I also agree it's been poured into everyone who pays attention, and it's likely a kind of a trap- if you coat your creativity in that, it's likely to make your creativity be less fit for its original purpose.  With perhaps an exception for parodic or satiric expressions, but that's simply not the entirety of everything.

I just don't think anything that says "People who disagree with me go away" is a useful thing, especially not if overt.

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Quote from: migo on March 16, 2023, 10:24:41 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 15, 2023, 10:10:13 PM
You're set, the blue haired landwhales will Reeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Re-envision hags from being wiry to horrendously fat, and instead of doing green, annis and night, order them according to hair colour. And then place them on the cover as monsters for the heroes to fight.

Or embrace the classic elements of monsters so as to create a timeless product that will remain relevant after the landwhales have clotshotted themselves into oblivion.

Look at Hogwarts Legacy and how the left did everything they could to sell the game.  Look at TSR and how it used the Satanic Panic to sell their games.  I get that a lot of people are scared, like you, but I'd rather have a game with fun in it than something written to D&D's standards, which frankly are horrible.  D&D is supposed to be 12 and up, in reality its at an 8 and up and moving down to 6 and up very soon.  Putting out adult games of D&D will sell quite well.

Hogwarts Legacy didn't succeed by being Edgelordy. It succeeded by being a well-crafted game with a good story that would have fit right in to any point of pre-Woke culture. The same with Top Gun Maverick; no anti-woke edgelording... just a solid well-crafted story with heroes to root for and gorgeous non-CGI cinematography.

Its not fear that has me objecting... its that I think the idea of going Edgelord in the opposite direction is stupid and counterproductive and its not going to attract anyone but other fringe edgelords.

I wasn't Edgelording in the 90's when it was cool. I'm certainly not doing it now as some desperate gasp for attention. I have my own work on a Superversive* setting that is every bit as toxic to the Woke but without the pretentious "look at me" wankery.

So, yes, enjoy your pretentious "now with extra offensive language and demonic imagery from the 80-90s" and "more lines on pages depicting breasts with twice the cup size" being sold off of websites which need NSFW disclaimers and then wonder why no one takes you or your product seriously.

* Superversive means having fun with your friends playing in a world where heroes are heroic, where people are basically good (and those that are not are villains you can defeat), where courage, honor and virtue matter, where true love and beauty are eternal, hope is real and, even though it may struggle and stumble, good can triumph in the end. Whether these things are really true or not... they are worth believing in and, God willing, the love I have for the setting and its themes of timeless virtue will carry over into my finished product and that will in turn draw people to it.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 16, 2023, 02:58:10 PM
When you look at woke, you look are purse puppying and writing being written down to a 6 year old level.  Putting in content to state you are specifically NOT doing that does not mean you are racist, it means the content is written for humans to enjoy and the content is not written for Zombies in the woke cult who don't buy rpg content in the first place.

Again, Hogwarts Legacy and Top Gun Maverick didn't need "Artist Statements" declaring themselves anti-woke. Good stories and content are anti-woke by definition and need no statements to say so.

What you claim is edgelording is in fact having fun.  Injecting some fun into a RPG is a good thing.  Woke sucks the fun out of the content and turns its into a flavorless husk.  And by "Artist Statements", its called marketing.  How many people really want to buy a module written by a sensitivity reader to do edutatinment about the troubles of the black eskimo who caught HIV from the non-binary white supremacist dragon?  D&D isn't at that level yet, but the gay cripple in the combat wheel chair with the gay Mandingo is approaching that level of dried out cringe.

You can use marketing to show that the content is not woke, use the woke to market for you and make quite a bit of money.  You don't have to be afraid, you do have to put out good content however and you should use the woke to market for you.

Greetings!

*Laughing* Hilarious, honeydipperdavid! Just awesome. Also, oh damn, very much on-point, too. "Non-Binary White Supremacist Dragon"!!!!

The absurdity that Woke Libtards have ass-graped into the hobby creates a huge demand for ridiculing them and mocking them in the most absolutely ruthless of ways. Yes, a more restrained and conservative approach certainly has merits--and probably should be the normal approach, business and marketing wise. However, I think there is definitely also room for making products that ruthlessly and intentionally attack the Woke Libtards and their entirely nonsensical ideology.

For me, it is not a question of "It must be either or!"--but "BOTH".

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on March 16, 2023, 04:45:25 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 16, 2023, 04:34:19 PMWhat you claim is edgelording is in fact having fun.

Doom (the games) are fun. Superjail is fun. I think Dark Sun is fun. While I consider it absolute trash, I can concede that Goblin Slayer can be fun. I consider Berserk on the preachy side philosophically, but it is also fun. What makes something edge-lording is explicitly setting out to piss people off.

Making niche product for the niche crowd that buys it anyway, isn't in any way underpinning SJW stranglehold. You're locking yourself away for their benefit, and somehow think you're making a difference.

No, you are differentiating your product and letting people know its different, they will have fun and it will not be built where all resolutions should be solved by talking about your feelings and hugging it out.  For the DM, the art is compelling, women and men actually are attractive and match anatomical norms and you might have an emotional response.  The damage done by the woke fuckers to the hobby has trained the younger generation to think that there is only one type of RPG, boring.  The stickiness of a new D&D player is 6 weeks and they quit.  They quit because the content is boring and the DM is using content set up to bland and flavorless to not offend anyone and the side effect is there will be no emotional response.

Compare Dragon Age Origins which is set up specifically to give you an emotional response and then Dragon Age Inquisition that had sensitivity readers and the only emotional response it could elicit would be pity for the dragons as they get wounded before you kill them. When you compare pre-sensitivity reader Bioware to to post Bioware you can see a change in sales and ratings, its night and day.  Bioware is going to be shuttered when the depression hits, it won't be sellable by EA.  By letting people know your content is fun, they will buy it.  That can be by labels and it can be by art.

Take a look at D&D's art to get you to resubscribe to D&D beyond:

https://www.dndbeyond.com/store/subscribe

A 10 year old child in plate mail, with an owl bear pup on a rope swinging away from a red dragon, this is the art D&D Beyond is using to get you to resubscribe.  Hmmm.... no sane person wants to RP a 10 year old boy.  Maybe an 8 year old would.  So WotC's CRM team came up with put a child in plate, that will speak to 40 year old DM's with spend to resubscribe.  That is work content, it tends to not sell.  This is WotC's approach, make art of 10 year olds to get 40 year olds to buy their product?

I'd much rather buy content with an 18+ label, now with 10% more demons etc, than buy the standard woke content.

I'm a fan of Occam's Razor. All of the most popular, highest selling games are published by companies on this site's Consumer Guide's "red" list. But that's not because of marketing tricks or liberal conspiracies. It's because those companies make games that appeal to a larger audience than the games by companies on the "green" list. They know which side their bread is buttered on and have tapped into the current zeitgeist.

So what?

I don't need society at large to validate my tastes by deeming what I like to be popular. Good, original games will find an audience. And I don't even need new games to play what and how I want. I have 40 years worth of RPGs on my shelves already. Nevertheless, new games are being produced all the time.

If you want to attack "wokeness" with a game specifically designed and marketed as hostile to that ethos, that's fine. But thinking it will somehow grow the OSR is simply naive.

Quote from: SHARK on March 16, 2023, 04:57:24 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 16, 2023, 04:34:19 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 16, 2023, 04:12:51 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 16, 2023, 02:58:10 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 16, 2023, 10:52:54 AM

Quote from: migo on March 16, 2023, 10:24:41 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 15, 2023, 10:10:13 PM
You're set, the blue haired landwhales will Reeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Re-envision hags from being wiry to horrendously fat, and instead of doing green, annis and night, order them according to hair colour. And then place them on the cover as monsters for the heroes to fight.

Or embrace the classic elements of monsters so as to create a timeless product that will remain relevant after the landwhales have clotshotted themselves into oblivion.

Look at Hogwarts Legacy and how the left did everything they could to sell the game.  Look at TSR and how it used the Satanic Panic to sell their games.  I get that a lot of people are scared, like you, but I'd rather have a game with fun in it than something written to D&D's standards, which frankly are horrible.  D&D is supposed to be 12 and up, in reality its at an 8 and up and moving down to 6 and up very soon.  Putting out adult games of D&D will sell quite well.

Hogwarts Legacy didn't succeed by being Edgelordy. It succeeded by being a well-crafted game with a good story that would have fit right in to any point of pre-Woke culture. The same with Top Gun Maverick; no anti-woke edgelording... just a solid well-crafted story with heroes to root for and gorgeous non-CGI cinematography.

Its not fear that has me objecting... its that I think the idea of going Edgelord in the opposite direction is stupid and counterproductive and its not going to attract anyone but other fringe edgelords.

I wasn't Edgelording in the 90's when it was cool. I'm certainly not doing it now as some desperate gasp for attention. I have my own work on a Superversive* setting that is every bit as toxic to the Woke but without the pretentious "look at me" wankery.

So, yes, enjoy your pretentious "now with extra offensive language and demonic imagery from the 80-90s" and "more lines on pages depicting breasts with twice the cup size" being sold off of websites which need NSFW disclaimers and then wonder why no one takes you or your product seriously.

* Superversive means having fun with your friends playing in a world where heroes are heroic, where people are basically good (and those that are not are villains you can defeat), where courage, honor and virtue matter, where true love and beauty are eternal, hope is real and, even though it may struggle and stumble, good can triumph in the end. Whether these things are really true or not... they are worth believing in and, God willing, the love I have for the setting and its themes of timeless virtue will carry over into my finished product and that will in turn draw people to it.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 16, 2023, 02:58:10 PM
When you look at woke, you look are purse puppying and writing being written down to a 6 year old level.  Putting in content to state you are specifically NOT doing that does not mean you are racist, it means the content is written for humans to enjoy and the content is not written for Zombies in the woke cult who don't buy rpg content in the first place.

Again, Hogwarts Legacy and Top Gun Maverick didn't need "Artist Statements" declaring themselves anti-woke. Good stories and content are anti-woke by definition and need no statements to say so.

What you claim is edgelording is in fact having fun.  Injecting some fun into a RPG is a good thing.  Woke sucks the fun out of the content and turns its into a flavorless husk.  And by "Artist Statements", its called marketing.  How many people really want to buy a module written by a sensitivity reader to do edutatinment about the troubles of the black eskimo who caught HIV from the non-binary white supremacist dragon?  D&D isn't at that level yet, but the gay cripple in the combat wheel chair with the gay Mandingo is approaching that level of dried out cringe.

You can use marketing to show that the content is not woke, use the woke to market for you and make quite a bit of money.  You don't have to be afraid, you do have to put out good content however and you should use the woke to market for you.

Greetings!

*Laughing* Hilarious, honeydipperdavid! Just awesome. Also, oh damn, very much on-point, too. "Non-Binary White Supremacist Dragon"!!!!

The absurdity that Woke Libtards have ass-graped into the hobby creates a huge demand for ridiculing them and mocking them in the most absolutely ruthless of ways. Yes, a more restrained and conservative approach certainly has merits--and probably should be the normal approach, business and marketing wise. However, I think there is definitely also room for making products that ruthlessly and intentionally attack the Woke Libtards and their entirely nonsensical ideology.

For me, it is not a question of "It must be either or!"--but "BOTH".

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

In the next node my players enter does have a trio of white dragons.  I'm really tempted to have them get a bronze dragon cornered and have the players listen to the white dragons talk about working hard and merit to build their horde while the brass dragon talks about how they really need to get with the program and stop all this colonizer talk about work and time to see if any players get the White Supremacist Dragon joke.

Quote from: Venka on March 16, 2023, 04:54:49 PM
Coyote and Crow

I agree there is space for satire, but there are always side cases.

Coyote and crow I find is a good example because while this doesn't always happen but:

It made a ton of money, but the guy is out and now is begging demanding white people play it because he underestimated costs and this big publicity stunt is going nowhere fast.

And yes it's a racist as hell creation.

Hate clicks bring money. Apathy brings death.

I'm a fan of Occam's Razor. All of the most popular, highest selling games are published by companies on this site's Consumer Guide's "red" list. But that's not because of marketing tricks or liberal conspiracies. It's because those companies make games that appeal to a larger audience than the games by companies on the "green" list. They know which side their bread is buttered on and have tapped into the current zeitgeist.

So what?

I don't need society at large to validate my tastes by deeming what I like to be popular. Good, original games will find an audience. And I don't even need new games to play what and how I want. I have 40 years worth of RPGs on my shelves already. Nevertheless, new games are being produced all the time.

If you want to attack "wokeness" with a game specifically designed and marketed as hostile to that ethos, that's fine. But thinking it will somehow grow the OSR is simply naive.

Here's the thing: I'm not making a game for children nor for people easily offended by a sexy woman in chainmail bikini. I'm making the game I want to play, which makes it 16+ (because I am a puritan and won't include nudity nor explicit sex/sex jokes).

IF/When I publish it the cover will reflect the game, or convey what it's about if you like, the interior art will be appropriate for the game, if that offends someone, too bad, don't care.

If it was a S&W or Fantasy game I would commission a cover a la Conan comics in the 1980s, because that reflects the spirit of the game.

I will write it in correct English BECAUSE it's easier, it will offend someone, too bad, don't care.

The Character Sheet will have a section to choose the SEX of your character, because SEX is real, gender is woke wankery. It will offend someone, too bad, don't care.

It will have racial modifiers, because it makes sense that the strongest halfling can't be as strong as the average human. It will offend someone, too bad, don't care.

I won't include ANY text apologizing or speaking about isms and phobias, this will offend someone, too bad, don't care.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 16, 2023, 06:01:38 PM
Here's the thing: I'm not making a game for children nor for people easily offended by a sexy woman in chainmail bikini. I'm making the game I want to play, which makes it 16+ (because I am a puritan and won't include nudity nor explicit sex/sex jokes).

IF/When I publish it the cover will reflect the game, or convey what it's about if you like, the interior art will be appropriate for the game, if that offends someone, too bad, don't care.

If it was a S&W or Fantasy game I would commission a cover a la Conan comics in the 1980s, because that reflects the spirit of the game.

I will write it in correct English BECAUSE it's easier, it will offend someone, too bad, don't care.

The Character Sheet will have a section to choose the SEX of your character, because SEX is real, gender is woke wankery. It will offend someone, too bad, don't care.

It will have racial modifiers, because it makes sense that the strongest halfling can't be as strong as the average human. It will offend someone, too bad, don't care.

I won't include ANY text apologizing or speaking about isms and phobias, this will offend someone, too bad, don't care.

I have absolutely no problem with any of this. If it's well executed, I'd probably buy it. Do I think it will sell as well as whatever WotC and Paizo put out? No. Do I think that's important? Also no.

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Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 16, 2023, 06:01:38 PM
Here's the thing: I'm not making a game for children nor for people easily offended by a sexy woman in chainmail bikini. I'm making the game I want to play, which makes it 16+ (because I am a puritan and won't include nudity nor explicit sex/sex jokes).

IF/When I publish it the cover will reflect the game, or convey what it's about if you like, the interior art will be appropriate for the game, if that offends someone, too bad, don't care.

If it was a S&W or Fantasy game I would commission a cover a la Conan comics in the 1980s, because that reflects the spirit of the game.

I will write it in correct English BECAUSE it's easier, it will offend someone, too bad, don't care.

The Character Sheet will have a section to choose the SEX of your character, because SEX is real, gender is woke wankery. It will offend someone, too bad, don't care.

It will have racial modifiers, because it makes sense that the strongest halfling can't be as strong as the average human. It will offend someone, too bad, don't care.

I won't include ANY text apologizing or speaking about isms and phobias, this will offend someone, too bad, don't care.

I have absolutely no problem with any of this. If it's well executed, I'd probably buy it. Do I think it will sell as well as whatever WotC and Paizo put out? No. Do I think that's important? Also no.

If anyone's goal is to sell like the big guys on their first foray that someone needs to tamper it's expectations a few notches.

If someone lets himself to be dissuaded because his shit probably won't sell like the big guys that someone doesn't want it enough.

Do I think there's a market for what I'm making? Yes, how big? Small to tiny in comparison with the 500 lbs gorilla, but I might be wrong and not sell anything or even wronger and it sells like pancakes.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on March 16, 2023, 01:19:12 PM
I don't read products written from spite. Countering SJW subversive spite with your own spite just makes 2 shit products.

Creativity defined by opposition tends to be shit. Write for what you stand for, not what you don't stand for.

This, plus, I'm not actually out to piss anyone off. That's not the point. I just don't much care if I do.

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Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on March 16, 2023, 01:19:12 PM
I don't read products written from spite. Countering SJW subversive spite with your own spite just makes 2 shit products.

Creativity defined by opposition tends to be shit. Write for what you stand for, not what you don't stand for.

This, plus, I'm not actually out to piss anyone off. That's not the point. I just don't much care if I do.

We are in an economic downturn, all the woke crap has turned the companies to crap and its failing.  Netflix is fighting for its life now and what are they doing, they are cancelling their woke content because it doesn't sell.  Marvel and Disney are no longer to able to make money off their former merit in their films, people are watching their new woke crap and are vomiting at home seeing the ads and refusing to spend.  Solo lost money and Antman is going to lose money.  Disney did an all hands to cut a ton of their woke crap.  Eiger is trying to find a way to put his toxic woke politics in a movie and still sell, well it ain't working.  We'll see two more years of woke SW and Marvel and its over as will be Eiger.  We are at the point in the culture war where woke is now is becoming despised by the consumer.  Listing your content as being fun and enhanced aluding to the fact your content is normie and not woke will sell and sell quite well.

From financing, Vanguard had to drop ESG and SVB that was filled with woke polyps to the point where a doctor would ask the patient if he could shoot him to save him from his fate is now dead.  The worse the economy gets its acting as chemo on woke and killing it.  Bernie Sanders just said that he is for Equality of Opportunity and was never for Equity and we have Cenk Uygur stating he's for Equality of Opportunity and always have been.  Don't get me wrong, woke is trying to mutate to a new cancer, but their crap can't financing to sell because it never sold well in the first place.