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[Mage] Did White Wolf corner the market on coincidental magic?

Started by pspahn, May 09, 2008, 02:02:40 PM

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pspahn

May 09, 2008, 02:02:40 PM
Just wondering if there are any other games out there that use a similar form of magic (coincidental/vulgar).  I have an idea for a magic system, but it uses coincidental and vulgar magic (for lack of better terms).  

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kryyst

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May 09, 2008, 03:57:07 PM
Ars Magica, which really is the predecessor to mage, Riddle of Steel, and Sorcery to name a few.
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pspahn

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May 09, 2008, 04:02:21 PM
Quote from: kryystArs Magica, which really is the predecessor to mage, Riddle of Steel, and Sorcery to name a few.
Excellent.  Thanks!
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Nicephorus

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May 09, 2008, 04:42:05 PM
4th ed Ars Magica is a free pdf availabe at places like this:
http://e23.sjgames.com/item.html?id=AG0204

riprock

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May 10, 2008, 12:14:21 AM
Quote from: pspahnJust wondering if there are any other games out there that use a similar form of magic (coincidental/vulgar).  I have an idea for a magic system, but it uses coincidental and vulgar magic (for lack of better terms).  

Pete


I heartily encourage you to read Ars Magica, but IMHO its magic has no "coincidental/vulgar" distinction.

AFAICT, White Wolf nicked the "coincidental" meme from real-world occultists in the 1990's.
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NiallS

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May 11, 2008, 09:32:23 AM
Unknown Armies uses a form of coincidental magic

Tilts are minor rituals you can perform that give you a bonus (or another person an penalty) to their actions but that would seem coincidentalThe system is very open ended and allows players to design curses or blessings or similar as desired

Of the other types of 'main' magic you have avatars who follow certain archetypal behaviours and gain powers as a result and adepts who have a wider range of magic thanks to their obsessions. Both of those tend to quite coincidental in apperarance certainly at the lower end of the scale. More powerful magic is more obviously 'vulgar'.
 

KrakaJak

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May 11, 2008, 05:52:46 PM
I remember Castle Falkenstein had a pretty coincidental Magic System, can't rememeber specifics for the life of me :D

Although coincidental is really just Low Magic vs. High Magic.
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1of3

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May 12, 2008, 07:31:52 AM
Quote from: KrakaJakAlthough coincidental is really just Low Magic vs. High Magic.

Well, no. Utterly destroying a city can be coincidental, while curing a head-ache can be done vulgarly.

KrakaJak

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May 12, 2008, 05:36:18 PM
Quote from: 1of3Well, no. Utterly destroying a city can be coincidental, while curing a head-ache can be done vulgarly.
Exactly, Low Magic vs. High Magic.

Cthulhu vs. World of Warcraft.
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