Quote from: Kage2020 on November 05, 2023, 09:16:29 PM

Quote from: Opaopajr on November 05, 2023, 08:38:26 PM
In L5R I favored playing Naga. Didn't care about Ranged attacks as much as I enjoyed making political and enlightenment decks.

Also I had a portent that it would oppress fragile people decades in the future. So that would be funny, and now it is! That's my excuse for doing anything now: "Because it oppresses you. "

It's a fucking serpent dude. How the fuck is that "oppress[ing] fragile people"?

I mean, seriously!? You're all up in arms about woke-ist BS (which it so often is) but I'm not really getting anything other than "where did the elitist touch me" nonsense.

Again, though, I don't do D&D. Is anyone capable of articulating why this is an issue beyond gesticulating at "woke"?

Welcome to being a right wing bigot.  Please give us a shipping address for your "Make America Great Again" hat, Bible, and subscriptions to various forms of alt media.

Quote from: Kage2020 on November 05, 2023, 09:16:29 PM

Quote from: Opaopajr on November 05, 2023, 08:38:26 PM
In L5R I favored playing Naga. Didn't care about Ranged attacks as much as I enjoyed making political and enlightenment decks.

Also I had a portent that it would oppress fragile people decades in the future. So that would be funny, and now it is! That's my excuse for doing anything now: "Because it oppresses you. "

It's a fucking serpent dude. How the fuck is that "oppress[ing] fragile people"?

I mean, seriously!? You're all up in arms about woke-ist BS (which it so often is) but I'm not really getting anything other than "where did the elitist touch me" nonsense.

Again, though, I don't do D&D. Is anyone capable of articulating why this is an issue beyond gesticulating at "woke"?

Oh, and in case some of the layers of my joke in my previous post aren't clear.

1. Much of this kind of woke nonsense doesn't make sense.

2. Asking to have it clarified is proof of your bigotry to those of the far left ideological bent.

3. You can never take a neutral stance.  You are either willing to lick boots no matter what the demand or you will be persecuted.

4. There is no rational exploration of the issues with those on the left.  You will accept the ridged yet always changing set of boundaries set for us or you are a bigot.

Please keep this in mind when you look at other items like this.  Many posters here have been beat down with this stuff for about a decade now and we're a little defensive when we feel like we are being attacked or dismissed over this stuff.

At this point, I think they've moved past even making bad sense, and are just removing stuff because they're scraping the bottom of the Jar of Offense.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on November 06, 2023, 03:51:03 PM
At this point, I think they've moved past even making bad sense, and are just removing stuff because they're scraping the bottom of the Jar of Offense.

Dude, that was years ago.  Now it's a full on "dance, monkey, dance" thing just to see how far afield they can go and get the dumb asses to follow.  I mean I get called racist because I use mayonnaise in some of my cooking and somehow that's a micro-aggression against black people. 

Quote from: Ratman_tf on November 06, 2023, 03:51:03 PM
At this point, I think they've moved past even making bad sense, and are just removing stuff because they're scraping the bottom of the Jar of Offense.

The guillotine is still sharp and ready, which creates it's own kind of demand for customers.  There is no bottom, until there is no one to pull the lever and no one to be under the blade.

  Mmm, mayonnaise... And sometimes I sprinkle dried fruit on my salad.

I look forward to when Hasbeen/Wotzi gets down to correcting the Overbearing rules. I am curious if some groups will get an advantage for being part of the -Archy. 

Quote from: BadApple on November 06, 2023, 04:12:53 PM
Dude, that was years ago.  Now it's a full on "dance, monkey, dance" thing just to see how far afield they can go and get the dumb asses to follow.  I mean I get called racist because I use mayonnaise in some of my cooking and somehow that's a micro-aggression against black people.

I've seen some pretty absurd things in this world, but man, that's gotta be a top 1% insanity there. 

Quote from: Venka on November 07, 2023, 12:37:47 AM

Quote from: BadApple on November 06, 2023, 04:12:53 PM
Dude, that was years ago.  Now it's a full on "dance, monkey, dance" thing just to see how far afield they can go and get the dumb asses to follow.  I mean I get called racist because I use mayonnaise in some of my cooking and somehow that's a micro-aggression against black people.

I've seen some pretty absurd things in this world, but man, that's gotta be a top 1% insanity there.

Just google "is mayonnaise racist?"

Quote from: BadApple on November 07, 2023, 12:45:17 AM
Just google "is mayonnaise racist?"

I mean ok but that's a game made famous on 4chan years ago.  You just google "<thing X> racist" and the hits keep coming.

The first result has the amazing quote "The inexorable rise of identity condiments has led to hard times for the most American of foodstuffs,"
The article appears to be critical of this, but then immediately blames "old, white men".  It's pretty great.

But you can do this with anything. You get hits for "is the climate racist", "geometry racist" has a top result is from scientific american attacking geometry, followed by a blog that I'm not clicking on but appears to be earnest, followed by an attack on axioms (they're racist too).  Photography, birds, dogs (In essence, in post-apartheid South Africa, security dogs are more or less the unnoticed weapons of a racial cold war; they are white people's...), cycling has a "racism problem", and I tried "penmanship racist", which google helpfully made the first article about how "standard English " is racist, followed by the ADL trying to cancel runic alphabet (talk about a forced result!), followed by "teachers have a racial bias in grading" (appears to have nothing to do with penmanship), followed by something from a college called "Linguistic White Supremacy".

I mean it is hilarious and also sad- I was mostly impressed that the mayonnaise-racist thing happened in meatspace, instead of as the result of some tragic joke of an algorithm that replaced the futuristic search engines we used to have, before everything became terrifying propaganda instead.

Quote from: Shipyard Locked on November 05, 2023, 07:08:07 AM

Well what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Problem is these woke cultists always believe that the rules do not apply to them because they are so virtuous.

wotc Slaps WACIST! on all things pre 5e and then turns around and puts out the offensive Radiant Citadel because they fill their minority bingo card. Nothing ever changes.

Quote from: Omega on November 07, 2023, 02:04:05 AM

Quote from: Shipyard Locked on November 05, 2023, 07:08:07 AM

Well what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Problem is these woke cultists always believe that the rules do not apply to them because they are so virtuous.

wotc Slaps WACIST! on all things pre 5e and then turns around and puts out the offensive Radiant Citadel because they fill their minority bingo card. Nothing ever changes.

The good thing about role playing games are that you can make your own content and world and not give WotC a dime.  If you want to hurt WotC, print out character sheets, share your books for spells, teach players the rules and play the game all the while reducing the money that WotC takes in.

Quote from: crkrueger on November 06, 2023, 08:18:32 AM
How MtG was using "Tribe" was silly anyway, that should have been changed, just because it isn't English.

We can't use Latin derived words now?

Quote from: zincmoat on November 07, 2023, 03:50:12 AM

Quote from: crkrueger on November 06, 2023, 08:18:32 AM
How MtG was using "Tribe" was silly anyway, that should have been changed, just because it isn't English.

We can't use Latin derived words now?

If I have 12 different kinds of Angel cards in my deck, that's not a "Tribe", even if they all have the keyword Angel.

Quote from: Venka on November 07, 2023, 01:03:26 AM

Quote from: BadApple on November 07, 2023, 12:45:17 AM
Just google "is mayonnaise racist?"

I mean ok but that's a game made famous on 4chan years ago.  You just google "<thing X> racist" and the hits keep coming.

The first result has the amazing quote "The inexorable rise of identity condiments has led to hard times for the most American of foodstuffs,"
The article appears to be critical of this, but then immediately blames "old, white men".  It's pretty great.

But you can do this with anything. You get hits for "is the climate racist", "geometry racist" has a top result is from scientific american attacking geometry, followed by a blog that I'm not clicking on but appears to be earnest, followed by an attack on axioms (they're racist too).  Photography, birds, dogs (In essence, in post-apartheid South Africa, security dogs are more or less the unnoticed weapons of a racial cold war; they are white people's...), cycling has a "racism problem", and I tried "penmanship racist", which google helpfully made the first article about how "standard English " is racist, followed by the ADL trying to cancel runic alphabet (talk about a forced result!), followed by "teachers have a racial bias in grading" (appears to have nothing to do with penmanship), followed by something from a college called "Linguistic White Supremacy".

I mean it is hilarious and also sad- I was mostly impressed that the mayonnaise-racist thing happened in meatspace, instead of as the result of some tragic joke of an algorithm that replaced the futuristic search engines we used to have, before everything became terrifying propaganda instead.

Mayonnaise being racist was a very real RL and in person conversation with a friend of mine.  (Ex friend now.) That was a "WTF, are you serious?" moment for me. 

Quote from: Kage2020 on November 05, 2023, 12:10:36 AM
This is truly the yin to RPG.net's yang, or vice versa.

Just what is it about the representations that are the problem? Has that been stated other than the notion of cultural sensitivity? (Not that being sensitive should be maligned.)

Removing things is representation?