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Looks like they will expunge D&D's naga, rakshasa, totems, tribes...

Started by Shipyard Locked, November 03, 2023, 11:30:49 PM

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Aglondir

#30
November 05, 2023, 07:06:05 PM
Quote from: Kage2020 on November 05, 2023, 06:19:14 PM
Edit: The irony for me is that I imagine that this is going to be reported.

Nah, we don't do that here. That's the other place.

Kage2020

#31
November 05, 2023, 07:11:57 PM
Quote from: Aglondir on November 05, 2023, 07:06:05 PM
Quote from: Kage2020 on November 05, 2023, 06:19:14 PM
Edit: The irony for me is that I imagine that this is going to be reported.

Nah, we don't do that here. That's the other place.
Heh. Totally. And they even ban people from talking about games when they're trying to figure out the game in question. Dumb F'ery.
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Kage2020

#32
November 05, 2023, 07:29:50 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm on November 05, 2023, 01:39:22 PMThe RPG Site is the only RPG forum where you can actually discuss these topics from a perspective other than the only one allowed in RPG.net without being banned (provided that you stay in the context of politics in TTRPGs rather than deviate into full blown politics). So if you came here trying to escape politics you came to the wrong place. The entire point of this site is that you can discuss politics (in TTRPGs), unlike anywhere else.
Point, and well made with respect to open discussion.

I would say that you have to wade through the right-leaning diatribe as much as on RPG.net you have to wade through the left-leaning diatribe, though.

Quote from: VisionStorm on November 05, 2023, 01:39:22 PMTo the point of being almost completely oblivious to what's going on in politics, the weaponization of language, and the impact that it's had in gaming and the encroachment of political ideology in TTRPGs.
Obviously no-one is going to admit to being oblivious, but in this case I would say that I'm tired of the left-leaning shenanigans in politics and how they apply it as a fulcrum to control people. At the same time, I'm equally tired of the right-wing bullshit and "woe is me-ism" that they have going on in cups. The one thing that I agree with the left on is the danger of "Christo-fascism", which seems to be a new term that polarises the analysis of just how shitty Christianity--and other monotheistic--religions are.

On the other hand, that TTRPGs have become another battlefield? Totally. I just vote with my wallet, which is about the most American thing that you can do.

Quote from: VisionStorm on November 05, 2023, 01:39:22 PMFor instance, almost nobody from actual Hispanic cultures agrees with the term "Latin-X", yet this term has been pushed full force to replace the correct term "Latino" (male/neutral), or "Latina" (feminine) by "progressives" from the US, to the protests of the vast majority of the Latin American population, except for a handful of Latin Americans born and raised in the US who subscribe to "progressive" ideology. EVERYONE else agrees that this is an imperialistic perversion of the Spanish language, but it gets push regardless for "sensitivity" reasons that are really just about political ideology and the weaponization of language in the guise of being "sensitive".
Of those that use it, most are young Hispanic women IIRC. There's probably a message there but otherwise yeah, totally. Latin-Americans don't use the term as is well documented.
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Opaopajr

#33
November 05, 2023, 08:38:26 PM
In L5R I favored playing Naga. :) Didn't care about Ranged attacks as much as I enjoyed making political and enlightenment decks.

Also I had a portent that it would oppress fragile people decades in the future. So that would be funny, and now it is! ;) That's my excuse for doing anything now: "Because it oppresses you. :)"
Just make your fuckin\' guy and roll the dice, you pricks. Focus on what\'s interesting, not what gives you the biggest randomly generated virtual penis.  -- J Arcane
 
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Shipyard Locked

#34
November 05, 2023, 08:41:31 PM
Quote from: Opaopajr on November 05, 2023, 08:38:26 PM
In L5R I favored playing Naga. :) Didn't care about Ranged attacks as much as I enjoyed making political and enlightenment decks.

My brother still loves L5R naga, nearly played one in our current campaign. I didn't like them back in the day, but he eventually won me over by pointing out how usefully alien they can be in the setting.

Kage2020

#35
November 05, 2023, 09:16:29 PM Last Edit: November 05, 2023, 09:23:26 PM by Kage2020
Quote from: Opaopajr on November 05, 2023, 08:38:26 PM
In L5R I favored playing Naga. :) Didn't care about Ranged attacks as much as I enjoyed making political and enlightenment decks.

Also I had a portent that it would oppress fragile people decades in the future. So that would be funny, and now it is! ;) That's my excuse for doing anything now: "Because it oppresses you. :)"
It's a fucking serpent dude. How the fuck is that "oppress[ing] fragile people"?

I mean, seriously!? You're all up in arms about woke-ist BS (which it so often is) but I'm not really getting anything other than "where did the elitist touch me" nonsense.

Again, though, I don't do D&D. Is anyone capable of articulating why this is an issue beyond gesticulating at "woke"?
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Svenhelgrim

#36
November 06, 2023, 02:32:38 AM
Quote from: Opaopajr on November 05, 2023, 08:38:26 PM
In L5R I favored playing Naga. :) Didn't care about Ranged attacks as much as I enjoyed making political and enlightenment decks.

How can the. Aga be good at politics if it can't shake anyone's hand?

Svenhelgrim

#37
November 06, 2023, 02:33:58 AM
Quote from: Opaopajr on November 05, 2023, 08:38:26 PM
In L5R I favored playing Naga. :) Didn't care about Ranged attacks as much as I enjoyed making political and enlightenment decks.

How can the Naga be good at politics if it can't shake anyone's hand?

Shipyard Locked

#38
November 06, 2023, 05:49:08 AM Last Edit: November 06, 2023, 05:50:41 AM by Shipyard Locked
Quote from: Kage2020 on November 05, 2023, 09:16:29 PM
I mean, seriously!? You're all up in arms about woke-ist BS (which it so often is) but I'm not really getting anything other than "where did the elitist touch me" nonsense.

I really don't understand what's going on here. Did anyone actually read the official statement I linked in the first post, the one issued by WotC themselves? There's no ambiguity.

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on November 06, 2023, 02:33:58 AM
How can the Naga be good at politics if it can't shake anyone's hand?

Heh, L5R naga have hands. They're more like snake centaurs.

Zalman

#39
November 06, 2023, 06:08:02 AM Last Edit: November 06, 2023, 06:13:41 AM by Zalman
Quote from: Kage2020 on November 05, 2023, 06:59:38 PM
At the same time I imagine that "you" have to balance it with the kind of lazy argument that says something like, "I don't like that <inclusive> character in my elf-game because they're based upon medieval Europe and that was predominantly white".

This may be a lazy argument, but it's also a straw man -- and shooting down a strawman is even lazier. People do argue against race-swapping known characters, or making a known setting predominantly some other ethnicity. But of course, that's entirely different.

Quote from: Kage2020 on November 05, 2023, 06:19:14 PM
"Totems and tribes", however, I can totally see how people might be a little bit sensitive around those issues given that First Nations people are at the absolute bottom of the pile when it comes to treatment in the States and given how commonly shit their representations in games are. It's like that film Maverick without the self-aware humour.

This is where you lost me. Race-based "sensitivity" is just another word for bigotry.
Old School? Back in my day we just called it "School."

crkrueger

#40
November 06, 2023, 08:18:32 AM Last Edit: November 06, 2023, 08:20:53 AM by crkrueger
Rakshasas are demons or evil spirits to Vedic myth, and while they are shapeshifters, their natural form isn't a tiger-man.  So they are redrawing them and removing the subtype "Cat" from the Rakshasa cards.

Naga are divine beings, frequently benevolent, not REH's serpentmen.  So anything with the "Naga" subtype is being changed to "Snake".

Why, because some white people in Seattle think people in India give a flying fuck about how MtG represents monsters that are in no way related, but kinda sorta inspired by their myths.

How MtG was using "Tribe" was silly anyway, that should have been changed, just because it isn't English.
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Exploderwizard

#41
November 06, 2023, 09:17:47 AM
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on November 06, 2023, 02:32:38 AM
Quote from: Opaopajr on November 05, 2023, 08:38:26 PM
In L5R I favored playing Naga. :) Didn't care about Ranged attacks as much as I enjoyed making political and enlightenment decks.

How can the. Aga be good at politics if it can't shake anyone's hand?

They can kiss babies.  :P
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Exploderwizard

#43
November 06, 2023, 10:07:10 AM
Quote from: Shipyard Locked on November 06, 2023, 09:44:17 AM
Quote from: Exploderwizard on November 06, 2023, 09:17:47 AM
They can kiss babies.  :P

[Surreptitiously dislocates jaw...]

That will cost you points in the polls!  (But oh so tasty)
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Opaopajr

#44
November 06, 2023, 01:19:03 PM
Rakshasas hands are backwards (opposable thumb is on other side of the palm), that means they have to use video game controllers backwards! :-[ This is ableist bigotry! Unless it was meant to oppress rakshasas from competing on e-sports leader boards...  :o It's been a humanist plot from the beginning!  8)
Just make your fuckin\' guy and roll the dice, you pricks. Focus on what\'s interesting, not what gives you the biggest randomly generated virtual penis.  -- J Arcane
 
You know, people keep comparing non-TSR D&D to deck-building in Magic: the Gathering. But maybe it\'s more like Katamari Damacy. You keep sticking shit on your characters until they are big enough to be a star.
-- talysman
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