Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1050846Given that he was one of the organizers of the #Gamers4Her movement, and used a Bundle of Holding of the previous edition to raise funds for Planned Parenthood, I'd say it's a safe bet that the game will not be particularly welcoming to non-Progressives.

Ah, I see. You are one of those people who only buys games from people whose politics they agree with so you can be assured that the game will be safe and "welcoming", as you put it. I haven't read the whole PDF, but so far there is a line or two that you might find triggery, so you may want to avoid the whole game.

Quote from: Baulderstone;1050854Ah, I see. You are one of those people who only buys games from people whose politics they agree with so you can be assured that the game will be safe and "welcoming", as you put it. I haven't read the whole PDF, but so far there is a line or two that you might find triggery, so you may want to avoid the whole game.

  *Shrug* I have no interest in the game to begin with, and was simply pointing out that Tweet has mixed politics and gaming before and from a viewpoint the Pundit's not likely to find favorable. Granted, it's one that I don't find favorable either.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1050861*Shrug* I have no interest in the game to begin with, and was simply pointing out that Tweet has mixed politics and gaming before and from a viewpoint the Pundit's not likely to find favorable. Granted, it's one that I don't find favorable either.

Fair enough. I'm equally tired of the mindset that all gaming needs to be viewed politically (and that the politics needs to line up with the reader) as well the idea that no game should ever have political content. I think both ideas are stifling.

Quote from: Baulderstone;1050872Fair enough. I'm equally tired of the mindset that all gaming needs to be viewed politically (and that the politics needs to line up with the reader) as well the idea that no game should ever have political content. I think both ideas are stifling.

Barn door being closed; even the dust trail from the escaping horse is no longer visible.

Just to add to my last post, I think the expectation of political content in games varies wildly. If I picked up a Conan RPG, and it was full of thinly-veiled political satire, I would have no problem with people complaining about the author inappropriately inserting his politics. That would be weird. On the other hand, it seems pretty natural for a weird conspiracy game like Over the Edge to have political satire in it. It would be strange if there wasn't.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1050846Given that he was one of the organizers of the #Gamers4Her movement, and used a Bundle of Holding of the previous edition to raise funds for Planned Parenthood, I'd say it's a safe bet that the game will not be particularly welcoming to non-Progressives.

Thank you for reminding me of that. I will not be buying this.

Quote from: Baulderstone;1050881Just to add to my last post, I think the expectation of political content in games varies wildly. If I picked up a Conan RPG, and it was full of thinly-veiled political satire, I would have no problem with people complaining about the author inappropriately inserting his politics. That would be weird. On the other hand, it seems pretty natural for a weird conspiracy game like Over the Edge to have political satire in it. It would be strange if there wasn't.

Except Al Amarja is an imaginary island set vaguely somewhere in the juxtaposition of three continents, drawing from all them but attached to none of them. It's deliberately divorced from real world issues and connections, so anything and everything can be jammed together in one place. And the conspiracies are just weird, not a reflection or comment on contemporary issues except by sheer accident. It's about the strange, and casual connections; not incisive, pointed commentary.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1050846Given that he was one of the organizers of the #Gamers4Her movement, and used a Bundle of Holding of the previous edition to raise funds for Planned Parenthood, I'd say it's a safe bet that the game will not be particularly welcoming to non-Progressives.

Honestly, I don't think that's a good indication of what you can expect to see in the game itself. I'm not familiar with #Gamers4Her, but I'm assuming it's a progressive tag that basically boils down to "men, mostly white, are here to save the poor, helpless women." And I have a number of games whose writers hold to progressive views, and there's little to nothing in the games themselves to indicate this. In many cases, I wouldn't even know if I wasn't a frequenter of various games fora.

And they're perfectly within their rights to give a portion of their profits, whether directly or via the Bundle of Holding organization, to the cause of their choice. Again, that doesn't indicate what's actually in the books. But it does affect which bundles I'm willing to purchase, as there are certain causes I'm not willing to knowingly support. But that's something else entirely, unrelated to the books' content.

Quote from: GeekEclectic;1050891Honestly, I don't think that's a good indication of what you can expect to see in the game itself.

  True enough. Now, if Over the Edge takes on contemporary issues (and I don't know that it does; my knowledge of the game is pretty much one article from Dragon Magazine #203 or 204), Tweet's politics are pretty much a matter of record, so you would have a pretty good idea of what kind of perspective to expect. But for all I know, it could just as easily be apolitical.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1050892True enough. Now, if Over the Edge takes on contemporary issues (and I don't know that it does; my knowledge of the game is pretty much one article from Dragon Magazine #203 or 204), Tweet's politics are pretty much a matter of record, so you would have a pretty good idea of what kind of perspective to accept. But for all I know, it could just as easily be apolitical.

Has anyone asked him?

When a game or other piece of media has politics you disagree with, it's "political". When you agree with it, it's "apolitical" or "just how the world works".

Quote from: Fucking change your name already;1050896When a game or other piece of media has politics you disagree with, it's "political". When you agree with it, it's "apolitical" or "just how the world works".

That would only be true if "politics" meant "any way that people interact" instead of "politics".

Quote from: Xuc xac;1050896When a game or other piece of media has politics you disagree with, it's "political". When you agree with it, it's "apolitical" or "just how the world works".

I'm sorry. Would "taking a clear position on contemporary controversies" be more acceptable?

The OTE scenario 'With a Long Spoon' revolves around a group of Black Supremacists, who believe their melanin gives them psychic powers, who kidnap children, and are actually run by a group of pedophiles led by a black man who lightens his skin to avoid detection. And if that doesn't make the White Supremacists trying to expose those crimes look like the good guys, I don't know what would.

So I'm not sure how concerned we should be about political right think here.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1050907The OTE scenario 'With a Long Spoon' revolves around a group of Black Supremacists, who believe their melanin gives them psychic powers, who kidnap children, and are actually run by a group of pedophiles led by a black man who lightens his skin to avoid detection. And if that doesn't make the White Supremacists trying to expose those crimes look like the good guys, I don't know what would.

Wow, that's like edgelord shit layered upon more edgelord shit right there. Why would anyone think that was a good idea?