Quote from: J Arcane;514459I can because I wrote one.

What game is this?

Quote from: B.T.;514577What game is this?

Drums of War.  I just put out a new release last week.

Quote from: CRKrueger;514325A lot of the little things they jettisoned, like system shock, aging for powerful spells and the like is what led to things like the perceived caster dominance of 3e.  Old School D&D frequently means rather hard choices with definite consequences for spellcasters.  New D&D - not so much.

I agree, system shock makes sense to me. Aging for using "haste"not so much, some kind of physical exhaustion like Shadowrun heck yeah. Otherwise your point about hard choice is spot it's what attracts me to playing magic users in the first place.

Quote from: Benoist;514499Now I want AD&D First Ed to be a Classic game.

But it's never going to be. The rulebooks are a disaster and the game unplayable as written.

I think there is a kind of Platonic Ideal version of D&D 1974-1999 that could probably constitute a "classic game". Unfortunately, it was never published. (And my idea of it is probably different than yours anyway.)

Quote from: Benoist;514499Call of Cthulhu is a Classic game.

Vampire the Masquerade is a Classic game.

Now I want AD&D First Ed to be a Classic game.

Chaosium is near dead.

White Wolf is near dead.

TSR is dead.

Quote from: J Arcane;514584Drums of War.  I just put out a new release last week.

Is this a free thing, or do you have to pay?  Or is there some kind of free preview for it?

Quote from: B.T.;514603Is this a free thing, or do you have to pay?  Or is there some kind of free preview for it?

Here's the post: http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=21898

It's free, currently in Alpha.  In it's present state it's built on Warcraft's setting but I'm considering an original or generic setting so that I can make a full commercial release.  I'm really fond of the core, though it still needs more extensive playtesting.

Quote from: J Arcane;514604Here's the post: http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=21898

You should link this in your sig.

Quote from: FASERIP;514608You should link this in your sig.

You are probably right.

Quote from: mhensley;514593Chaosium is near dead.

White Wolf is near dead.

TSR is dead.

But few would argue this happened because they failed to make drastic edition changes. TSR went under for a host of reasons, including mismanagement and new competition. White Wolf, from what I understand, seems to have alienated some of its fanbase by making significant changes to their flavor material (i dont follow the much, so not sure on this). Chaosium had a good run, people still play Cthulu; not really sure why things went south for them. One of the good things people have to say about them is the editions similar enough that it is easy to jump back into the game.

On the other hand D&D just made a massive revision of its system (with 4E) lost what seems to be half of its base and pleased the other half. Finetuning a game overtime is a good idea. But changing a succesful game into another style of game just for the sake of "modern design" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Chaosium mostly busted because of trying to get into CCGs, and the material slowed to almost nothing as they did so. Then again - they did try getting into CCGs because they weren't making as much profit as they wished to, and Magic was all the rage.

The games floped, and Chaosium went under for a while, if I remember correctly.

QuoteOn the other hand D&D just made a massive revision of its system (with 4E) lost what seems to be half of its base and pleased the other half. Finetuning a game overtime is a good idea. But changing a succesful game into another style of game just for the sake of "modern design" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Indeed.

Quote from: Rincewind1;514635Chaosium mostly busted because of trying to get into CCGs, and the material slowed to almost nothing as they did so. Then again - they did try getting into CCGs because they weren't making as much profit as they wished to, and Magic was all the rage.

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i was wondering what happened. It has been years since i did a chaosium cthulu game, and decided to buy the latest edition to run a campaign about a week ago. Was on their website and, frankly, it looked rather neglected. But I ordered the rule book and look forward to running it again.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;514637i was wondering what happened. It has been years since i did a chaosium cthulu game, and decided to buy the latest edition to run a campaign about a week ago. Was on their website and, frankly, it looked rather neglected. But I ordered the rule book and look forward to running it again.

It's still much better then few years ago (5 - 6) when things really dried up. Perhaps another reprint aka 6e of Call of Cthulhu helped a bit.

Btw - if you had any earlier edition, I'm sorry to inform you that you just bought another of the same product. The only things changed are a few new spells and illustrations - they did not even include point - buy rules from Cthulhu: Dark Ages.

Which may actually be a bit of a problem with Chaosium - as great they are with all the retroactive stuff, it just doesn't change at all - and the RPG market's demand is filled rather very, very quickly. Then again - CoC is a very good game, so it deserves reprints. But the fact that ToC managed to carve out a niche, suggests that some different versions/variations of CoC done by Chaosium, would had been more then welcome.

Quote from: Rincewind1;514640It's still much better then few years ago (5 - 6) when things really dried up. Perhaps another reprint aka 6e of Call of Cthulhu helped a bit.

Btw - if you had any earlier edition, I'm sorry to inform you that you just bought another of the same product. The only things changed are a few new spells and illustrations - they did not even include point - buy rules from Cthulhu: Dark Ages.

Which may actually be a bit of a problem with Chaosium - as great they are with all the retroactive stuff, it just doesn't change at all - and the RPG market's demand is filled rather very, very quickly. Then again - CoC is a very good game, so it deserves reprints. But the fact that ToC managed to carve out a niche, suggests that some different versions/variations of CoC done by Chaosium, would had been more then welcome.

Actually that is music to my ears. One reason I always loved Chaosium is they dont fiddle too much with each edition. It is very easy to start up again and use older material. Still have a few supplemental books, but lost my rule bok about five years ago. So this is perfect. There is something to be said for a stable system.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;514643Actually that is music to my ears. One reason I always loved Chaosium is they dont fiddle too much with each edition. It is very easy to start up again and use older material. Still have a few supplemental books, but lost my rule bok about five years ago. So this is perfect. There is something to be said for a stable system.

In case of losing a rulebook - great purchase indeed. Just wanted to point out that you're better off buying something else, rather then buy same book again (unless you are a bibliophile - who am I to judge).

Yeah, BRP is my favourite system ever I think. I've moved over to GUMSHOE for my CoC  needs, but if I ever do the Malazan Book of the Fallen campaign, I'll certainly use BRP for it.