Quote from: Ocule on June 04, 2023, 01:11:55 AM
Does lovecraft society produce rpg material thought they were more about books

They produce props for Call of Cthulhu.

https://store.hplhs.org/collections/games-props

In regards to Chaosium, I was very disappointed to see that the character sheets in the 40th anniversary starter box all have a dedicated space for pronouns, as do the blank sheets and all of the downloadable sheets on the website. I haven't bought any of their products since the 7th ed. came out, and this last purchase will be the last. It really irks me to see a sheet labels "1920's" and then a space for pronouns...

Quote from: Samsquantch on June 05, 2023, 05:02:02 AM
In regards to Chaosium, I was very disappointed to see that the character sheets in the 40th anniversary starter box all have a dedicated space for pronouns, as do the blank sheets and all of the downloadable sheets on the website. I haven't bought any of their products since the 7th ed. came out, and this last purchase will be the last. It really irks me to see a sheet labels "1920's" and then a space for pronouns...

Yeah, it's ridiculous, fortunately I saw the character sheet in advance and was able to cancel my order.. Pronouns and similar history distorting wokeness breaks the wall of immersion, just to please a few with mental illness.

Quote from: Rift on June 05, 2023, 05:10:05 AM

Quote from: Samsquantch on June 05, 2023, 05:02:02 AM
In regards to Chaosium, I was very disappointed to see that the character sheets in the 40th anniversary starter box all have a dedicated space for pronouns, as do the blank sheets and all of the downloadable sheets on the website. I haven't bought any of their products since the 7th ed. came out, and this last purchase will be the last. It really irks me to see a sheet labels "1920's" and then a space for pronouns...

Yeah, it's ridiculous, fortunately I saw the character sheet in advance and was able to cancel my order.. Pronouns and similar history distorting wokeness breaks the wall of immersion, just to please a few with mental illness.

I whole heartedly agree. I vote with my wallet in regards to corporations and I can be very determined. In hind sight, it's actually saved me a lot of money...

Quote from: Samsquantch on June 05, 2023, 05:02:02 AM
In regards to Chaosium, I was very disappointed to see that the character sheets in the 40th anniversary starter box all have a dedicated space for pronouns, as do the blank sheets and all of the downloadable sheets on the website. I haven't bought any of their products since the 7th ed. came out, and this last purchase will be the last. It really irks me to see a sheet labels "1920's" and then a space for pronouns...

You missed out on the fully diverse Miskatonic University student pregens.

Ok, I've read through all 269 pages of this thread and I have a few thoughts.

The first is: Thank you for the list.  Thank you also for being open as to why you object to a company and doing your best to verify the info.

Second, it might be useful to keep tabs on people who go into these companies and push the woke shit.  That way I, and any others like minded, can see their names in the credits of a book and have one more point of data to decide on a purchase.  Earlier in the thread someone said they are more likely to forgive a person than a company.  It's the inverse for me.  (I can forgive someone that gives in to a bend-the-knee moment easily enough but I will never forgive someone that demands it.)  Companies can clean up fast if they have the financial incentive to do so and they get rid of the bad apples. 

Third, there are multiple times in this thread where clear communists tried to ruin the list by trying to impose their interpretations on OPs standards for sorting out companies and creators.  My suggestion is, that in the future don't try to justify the sorting and ranking.  Fully admit it's a bit subjective but it's more about sharing why you are troubled by list entries than it is about giving them a "woke score." 

As it stands, there are red entries I will buy from for the right product and yellow ones I wouldn't even use stolen money to ever buy from.

Last thought, thanks to RPGPundit for putting in so much effort to keep this thread clean.

Thank you!

I'm unsure if a distributer goes on the list, but I'm told by a fellow local that Nerdvana in English Creek NJ doesn't want the business of people who can outwit them, that is: anyone less fascist than them.  Nerdvana had a special gay etc. pride event, followed by closing on Juneteenth.  The patron made a clever remark, "Will the place be closed to honor Roe v Wade being overturned?"  The owner told the patron, because of that comment, he was no longer welcome in the store. 

Was the comment inappropriate?  Yes!  Was the owner intolerant and did he overreact because he can't take a joke?  Surely.  It's nice when you can afford to turn away customers based on a difference in opinion.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on June 21, 2023, 08:16:06 PM
I'm unsure if a distributer goes on the list, but I'm told by a fellow local that Nerdvana in English Creek NJ doesn't want the business of people who can outwit them, that is: anyone less fascist than them.  Nerdvana had a special gay etc. pride event, followed by closing on Juneteenth.  The patron made a clever remark, "Will the place be closed to honor Roe v Wade being overturned?"  The owner told the patron, because of that comment, he was no longer welcome in the store. 

Was the comment inappropriate?  Yes!  Was the owner intolerant and did he overreact because he can't take a joke?  Surely.  It's nice when you can afford to turn away customers based on a difference in opinion.

This type of shop will end up gone in a few years by natural selection. See any woke comic book store.

Any info on Ghostfire Gaming?

Quote from: Monero on June 22, 2023, 09:47:30 AM
Any info on Ghostfire Gaming?

They've used sensitivity consultants for some of their product. It was front and center for the Sunken Isles kickstarter project. Otherwise, I can't think of anything. Also, I don't know if they were involved in development, or if they're just the online storefront.

Quote from: Corolinth on June 22, 2023, 10:57:20 AM
They've used sensitivity consultants for some of their product. It was front and center for the Sunken Isles kickstarter project.

A friend of mine worked on that. She said the cultural consultant was quite useful for feedback, but she didn't know why the Hawaiian cultural consultant should get more thanks/credit than the two people who did nearly all the actual writing.  I know - it's marketing spin. I don't really know Ghostfire and at least they pay their writers, but my impression is they seem a pretty typical Yellow-type company. I wouldn't avoid buying from them but I wouldn't go out of my way to check their stuff either.

Ghostfire were very much involved in development and very prescriptive AIR.

Quote from: S'mon on June 22, 2023, 11:13:16 AM

Quote from: Corolinth on June 22, 2023, 10:57:20 AM
They've used sensitivity consultants for some of their product. It was front and center for the Sunken Isles kickstarter project.

A friend of mine worked on that. She said the cultural consultant was quite useful for feedback, but she didn't know why the Hawaiian cultural consultant should get more thanks/credit than the two people who did nearly all the actual writing.  I know - it's marketing spin. I don't really know Ghostfire and at least they pay their writers, but my impression is they seem a pretty typical Yellow-type company. I wouldn't avoid buying from them but I wouldn't go out of my way to check their stuff either.

Ghostfire were very much involved in development and very prescriptive AIR.

It's because Pacific Islanders rank pretty high on the progressive stack. The Sunken Isles team had to advertise that they had paid their tithe to the cult.

There's an important distinction between "cultural consultant" and "sensitivity consultant". Though I will concede they are two sides of the same coin.

There is a value to someone well-versed in a particular culture if you're going for a particular theme. If I'm looking to run a Hawaiian-themed game, I'd like to have it feel like Hawaii. That's fine. The actual history and culture of Hawaii might be pretty interesting. At the same time, I'm just not down to pretend that an offensive stereotype about throwing virgins into a volcano as a sacrifice to Pele is causing real-world harm to Hawaiians. It might make them pissed-off and angry, but it isn't actually harming them.

I think a lot of it is really about drumming up work for failed academics. You've gotta figure a lot of these university programs for history and anthropology are pretty expensive, and fairly low demand. How dare someone make elf game without paying an adjunct professor of mid 12th century central southwest Borneo their cut?

Quote from: Corolinth on June 22, 2023, 12:22:12 PM
I think a lot of it is really about drumming up work for failed academics.

Hm, maybe, but from what I've seen a significant portion (anecdotally the vast majority in my own experience) of these consultants are not academically qualified in any way. Rather, they are hired by game companies based on their heredity (not even their nativity or residence!).

I think that if any of these company actually hire someone for the sake of cultural accuracy, they would definitely advertise as such since these kind of experts are not cheap, also, doing so wouldn't remove the possibility of the game being woke trash, 7th sea used had type of consultants from what I understand and it's still woke as fuck.