Quote from: Zelen on April 05, 2023, 08:45:10 PM

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Quote from: Validin on April 05, 2023, 07:15:05 PM

In case you needed a reason to not support Chaosium anymore. Even their new BRP release won't be enough to earn my business.

Ever since Harlem Unbound's blatant racism, everything they make's become a political product. I think this is half the reason they even do these time period books, so they can warp and change history to fit their narrative.

They TECHNICALLY aren't wrong. Crossdressing Men and Women have existed forever. Was it as prevalent and noticed as today? No, because they tried insanely hard to pass.  Same for Homosexuality, there was a reason why the old saying of "Came out of the Closet" was used...

That's the difference. Also, fuck Chaosium.

It's statistically untrue that LGBTQIA+ mental illnesses are constant over time. You can easily disprove this claim by looking at virtually any statistics that measure this. If they can't even get this type of bullshit right, why would I trust anything else they write?

Are we quibbling over the phrase "The regency era was just as full.." here? 

I'm sure that era was full of these folks, they were locked in Asylums  for the most part as well. 

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on April 05, 2023, 08:47:21 PM

Quote from: Validin on April 05, 2023, 07:15:05 PM

In case you needed a reason to not support Chaosium anymore. Even their new BRP release won't be enough to earn my business.

   If you've got this, maybe you can answer something I've been morbidly curious about: Is Regency England presented as more or less sympathetic than Weimar Berlin in Chaosium's recent products?

About what you'd expect. It paints England and Europe of the time in general as being just shy of evil dystopias where everyone but the most elite live in complete misery, while also weirdly contradicting its own anachronistic assertions that homosexual relationships and interracial marriage were extremely common, well-known, and generally accepted.

After 30 years of running CoC 3rd edition, I am tentatively considering maybe switching to 7e for mechanics, but I won't touch any other books made after 6e. Absolute clown show of anachronisms and propaganda.

Quote from: Validin on April 06, 2023, 04:30:28 PM
About what you'd expect. It paints England and Europe of the time in general as being just shy of evil dystopias where everyone but the most elite live in complete misery, while also weirdly contradicting its own anachronistic assertions that homosexual relationships and interracial marriage were extremely common, well-known, and generally accepted.

   Thanks. I'd considered picking up secondhand copies of this and Pulp Cthulhu, but if this is what they're producing, the books are likely to be more annoying than enjoyable or useful.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on April 07, 2023, 10:14:59 AM

Quote from: Validin on April 06, 2023, 04:30:28 PM
About what you'd expect. It paints England and Europe of the time in general as being just shy of evil dystopias where everyone but the most elite live in complete misery, while also weirdly contradicting its own anachronistic assertions that homosexual relationships and interracial marriage were extremely common, well-known, and generally accepted.

   Thanks. I'd considered picking up secondhand copies of this and Pulp Cthulhu, but if this is what they're producing, the books are likely to be more annoying than enjoyable or useful.

Pulp Cthulhu is actually an excellent book that is almost entirely non-woke. The only potentially woke bits are a passing mention about pulp stories sometimes using racial stereotypes, which they definitely did, and artwork of non-white and women characters as examples of different archetypes, which is anachronistic but not ham-fisted. Other than that, it's just a celebration of pulp stories and rules for how to run Pulp CoC games.

Quote from: Grognard GM on April 06, 2023, 10:15:08 PM
After 30 years of running CoC 3rd edition, I am tentatively considering maybe switching to 7e for mechanics, but I won't touch any other books made after 6e. Absolute clown show of anachronisms and propaganda.

I love CoC (7e) for its mechanics, but I definitely won't be and haven't been supporting Chaosium for a while. Excellent d100 system, terrible company. I feel like if someone wants to do a horror or period game in general with the system in 19th century England they'd be better off looking up information about it online rather than paying $30 to be fed anachronistic propaganda by people who have nothing but contempt for the time period itself and most of their audience.

The one and only one worthwhile thing I've seen from this one is the art. It's a significantly better style than the 18th century France book, particularly for characters. Besides that it doesn't seem to have anything informative or detailed to say about the time period and instead seems to be set up to run games specifically in the fictional style of Jane Austen. Might be some peoples' thing, but I was expecting more of a historical approach rather than dramatic fiction mixed with the usual and now-expected wokeness: diatribes about modern sexuality and race issues, snubs at Christianity and (white) men, etc. There's even a section dedicated to discussing sexual consent at the table, which is baffling to me. I guess they want people to be using the game as a dating sim?

I doubt they'll ever give us something like Down Darker Trails, the Wild West book, again, which was surprisingly not-woke. The few times it mentioned things related to race or conflicts with American Indians, it did so fairly and specifically without demonizing either or any side. That book oozed with passion for the Wild West genre and its many forms, rather than smug post-modernist contemptibility and revisionism.

Quote from: Redshirt451 on April 07, 2023, 10:41:23 AM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on April 07, 2023, 10:14:59 AM

Quote from: Validin on April 06, 2023, 04:30:28 PM
About what you'd expect. It paints England and Europe of the time in general as being just shy of evil dystopias where everyone but the most elite live in complete misery, while also weirdly contradicting its own anachronistic assertions that homosexual relationships and interracial marriage were extremely common, well-known, and generally accepted.

   Thanks. I'd considered picking up secondhand copies of this and Pulp Cthulhu, but if this is what they're producing, the books are likely to be more annoying than enjoyable or useful.

Pulp Cthulhu is actually an excellent book that is almost entirely non-woke. The only potentially woke bits are a passing mention about pulp stories sometimes using racial stereotypes, which they definitely did, and artwork of non-white and women characters as examples of different archetypes, which is anachronistic but not ham-fisted. Other than that, it's just a celebration of pulp stories and rules for how to run Pulp CoC games.

I'll just throw in my enthusiasm for Astounding Adventures, a "Chaosium BRP monograph" book from before the junta (2013). It, too, is a guidebook for pulp adventures. I like it very much, and of course it pre-dates the whole 7e CoC rules changes.

The blurb:

Pulp Adventures for Basic Roleplaying Welcome to the heart-pounding, two-fisted, action-filled world of the Pulps! Throughout this book you will find Basic Roleplaying rules for new character types, skills, combat, magic, mad science, and a plethora of villains, henchmen and monsters.Accompanying the text are several sidebars containing special, optional rules to help jack up the pulpiness of your campaign, and rules aimed specifically towards those who enjoy using miniatures and map grids in their games. How far you want to push the envelope is up to you and you ll find all the tools you need within these pages.So strap on a rocket-pack, load up your .45, and get ready to take on a dozen Nazis single-handedly, while standing atop the ruins of a lost Aztec temple! Once you open up the Pulps you are in for the adventure of a lifetime!

Thanks for the recommendations. Since I already own Astounding Adventures, does Pulp Cthulhu add much?

Okay, so I made this post some time ago:

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/list-ttrpg-guide-to-woke-companies/msg1241905/#msg1241905

My suggestions from then that haven't been implemented into the list still stand, however, I have found several more names suitable for the green list, which is the list I'm most interested in:

user Thor's Nads left this comment in this thread:

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/list-ttrpg-guide-to-woke-companies/msg1246737/#msg1246737

It was soon discovered that he is the owner of Night Owl Workshop:

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/list-ttrpg-guide-to-woke-companies/msg1246808/#msg1246808

The owner of Night Owl Workshop is Thomas Denmark.

Here is his RPG blog:

https://dungeoneering.blogspot.com/

His RPG YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/@dungeoneering1974

His Twitter:

https://twitter.com/thomasdenmark

Yes, I do realize that I went into a bit of a "stalker mode" for this, but that's how I find all the names for the green list.

I think that he is certainly notable enough for the green list:

His White Wolf Wiki page:

https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Art_by_Thomas_Denmark

NOTE: To my knowledge, the only VTES card that he designed is Jacob the Glitch. I think that they attributed images made by someone called Sam Denmark to him thinking that it's his pseudonym, but, to my knowledge, he never went under that name. I could be wrong. Thomas, if this was a mistake, you can contact White Wolf Wiki and tell them about it.

He has certainly drawn a lot of Legend of the Five Rings cards though:

https://l5r.fandom.com/wiki/Thomas_Denmark

He even made his own card game:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeoneer_(game)

Now, as for his RPG credits, his most notable work is probably Orkworld, which he illustrated:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orkworld

His other credits can be found on his RPGGeek page:

https://rpggeek.com/rpgdesigner/2092/thomas-denmark

As well as his BoardGameGeek page:

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamedesigner/2092/thomas-denmark

I believe that these links prove he's a notable designer whose opinions align with the criteria for the green list.

Another designer who believes he deserves to be on the green list is the user FirstOnesEntertainment:

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/list-ttrpg-guide-to-woke-companies/msg1247761/#msg1247761

After doing some research, I came to the conclusion that the owner of this company is Jean-Philipe Chapleau:

https://jpchapleau.blogspot.com/

Here is his RPGGeek page:

https://rpggeek.com/rpgdesigner/22956/jean-philipe-chapleau

He has been credited as a designer on several adventure modules on the Forgotten Realms Wiki:

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Heart

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/The_Sea_Drake

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Blood_(adventure)

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Living_Forgotten_Realms/Moonshae_Isles

I think that he's notable enough for the green list.

He doesn't have a huge internet presence, but he did give an interview to DMPaulG, who, in turn, linked a bunch of his links in the video description:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVE5G42nDoI

With that being said, the names that, in my opinion, should be added to the green list are:

Thomas Denmark
Jean-Philipe Chapleau
David Guyll

NOTE: due to the fact that Felbrigg Herriot was added to the green list purely on my word, I feel obliged to provide some kind of proof that he is really "one of us". You will find this proof on his Twitter:

https://twitter.com/FNHPodcast

Also, yes, I do realize how autistic my comments are with all these links and details. That's just what I like to do.

Night Owl should totally be on the green list. Great OSR games.

QuoteEntities in this section have engaged in some questionable behavior, taken a political stance that may have alienated some customers or preached in their products.

I'd say that there is difference between ideologically twisted setting and preaching - preaching is directly pointed into players, GM, people reading book.
Vampire was preaching when it advised alt-righters to seek psychological help before playing VtM 5e for instance.
Invisible College presents Enlightement Wizards as good guys, but it seems it does not say you are banned from playing if you support Nestorian Theocracy or something. That's a difference.

QuoteWhereas Coyote And Crow outright genocided everyone that wasn't American Indian, then said the survivors became super advanced Utopians without de evil Huwhite people around.

Connor Alexander is insufferable dipshit - nevertheless this is classic example of lie repeated so many times everyone believes it. C&C setting does not assume Europeans, Asians or Africans were destroyed by Magical Tunguska - it only notices they did not contacted America in time game took part in, and that GMs are free to assume whatever they like.
I'm not really fond of such purposeful indecision - same as with religious miracles - C&C assume you should decide whether mysticism of whatever tribe works or is superstition (which is even more drastic dumb evasion).

QuoteThanks for the recommendations. Since I already own Astounding Adventures, does Pulp Cthulhu add much?

I'd say difference is Pulp Cthulhu is still Cthulhu game.
I did not read Astounding Adventures, but I'd expect that Pulp Cthulhu gonna be way grimmer, even if more adventurous than raw CoC.

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 30, 2023, 02:42:13 PM

Because if this was the other way around, a game where you can only play male space warriors, wouldn't there be instant cries of "white supremacy rape culture mega maga fasscistsssss!!!"?

*cough*



*cough*

Though technically the "mega fascists" bit is accurate... but I don't hear much howling over it. The typical characters only feed on the weak.

That said, I'd like to nominate Massif Press for a Red.

They basically bitched and whined and refused to take their ennie because "Blood in the Chocolate" won an award because fans liked it.

I tend to be rather apolitical but that is just top tier wtf.

Quote from: Psyckosama on April 20, 2023, 06:28:46 PM


That said, I'd like to nominate Massif Press for a Red.

They basically bitched and whined and refused to take their ennie because "Blood in the Chocolate" won an award because fans liked it.

I tend to be rather apolitical but that is just top tier wtf.

Blood and the chocolate had a black lesbian as the BBEG, why in the hell would they not love that module?

that said: I enjoyed the hell out of that module.

Quote from: THE_Leopold on April 20, 2023, 07:12:57 PM

Quote from: Psyckosama on April 20, 2023, 06:28:46 PM


That said, I'd like to nominate Massif Press for a Red.

They basically bitched and whined and refused to take their ennie because "Blood in the Chocolate" won an award because fans liked it.

I tend to be rather apolitical but that is just top tier wtf.

Blood and the chocolate had a black lesbian as the BBEG, why in the hell would they not love that module?

that said: I enjoyed the hell out of that module.

You just answered your own question.

Blood and the chocolate had a black lesbian as the BBEG.

Quote from: Psyckosama on April 20, 2023, 08:48:46 PM

Quote from: THE_Leopold on April 20, 2023, 07:12:57 PM

Quote from: Psyckosama on April 20, 2023, 06:28:46 PM


That said, I'd like to nominate Massif Press for a Red.

They basically bitched and whined and refused to take their ennie because "Blood in the Chocolate" won an award because fans liked it.

I tend to be rather apolitical but that is just top tier wtf.

Blood and the chocolate had a black lesbian as the BBEG, why in the hell would they not love that module?

that said: I enjoyed the hell out of that module.

You just answered your own question.

Blood and the chocolate had a black lesbian as the BBEG.

so black lesbians being the Villian is verboten to the wokescolds as well? I thought they were all fawning over strong black women regardless of their role.  Mostly due to the failures of their own mothers and lack of father figures.