[List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies

FingerRod · March 12, 2023, 11:53:04 AM

Quote from: Punch and Pie on March 12, 2023, 05:00:58 AM
I'm sure Seth Skorkowsky is in the green (and should stay green), but damn, did he step in it.

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he only read the subject/headers of the kool-aid drinkers and had no clue what the books' subject matter entailed, nor where the books were intentionally placed.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt when somebody can show me where he walked back his comments. He was a cunt throughout that entire thread. He asked for direct evidence, it was provided, and he ghosted back to groomer island without a word.

erc1971 · March 12, 2023, 03:21:14 PM

Quote from: FingerRod on March 12, 2023, 11:53:04 AM
Quote from: Punch and Pie on March 12, 2023, 05:00:58 AM
I'm sure Seth Skorkowsky is in the green (and should stay green), but damn, did he step in it.

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he only read the subject/headers of the kool-aid drinkers and had no clue what the books' subject matter entailed, nor where the books were intentionally placed.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt when somebody can show me where he walked back his comments. He was a cunt throughout that entire thread. He asked for direct evidence, it was provided, and he ghosted back to groomer island without a word.

Him and Ginny D would not be in green if we put youtubers on this list

jhkim · March 12, 2023, 07:17:33 PM

Quote from: erc1971 on March 12, 2023, 10:53:48 AM
Quote from: Punch and Pie on March 12, 2023, 05:00:58 AM
I'm sure Seth Skorkowsky is in the green (and should stay green), but damn, did he step in it.

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he only read the subject/headers of the kool-aid drinkers and had no clue what the books' subject matter entailed, nor where the books were intentionally placed.

Holy shit did Seth fuck up royally on this! I do think we cannot give him the benefit of the doubt on this one however, I looked through the replies and such to his post, and he is in there defending leaving sexual stuff in the schools.

Can you include links if you're commenting on an external conversation? I presume this is the thread and Seth's comments on it.

https://twitter.com/SSkorkowsky/status/1633243793179770880

Quote from: Seth SkorkowskyFor any Tabletop Gamers who support banning books and materiel in schools, here's a list of schools that banned D&D during the 1980s because of made-up damage it was falsely accused of causing. Remember your roots.

Quote from: Seth SkorkowskyWhat books? Give examples. Verifiable ones. Even B.A.D.D. (Bothered About Dungeons & Dragons) had examples of suicides "directly caused" by D&D. So simply saying a book is bad because some moral panic propaganda site said so isn't going to cut it.

Quotearticle on changing language in Goosebumps books
Quote from: Seth SkorkowskyWow! They made changes without the author's permission? From the article, it appears he still owns the rights to the books, which means they can't do that. If the publisher owns the rights, it's a dick move, but their right. They should also note is as a revised content edition

Quote from: Seth SkorkowskyIs it just sexually explicit? All 50 of these?
Students can still read them by choice? So that Oklahoma librarian who got fired for letting students know they can get books from the Brooklyn Public Library didn't happen?
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/the-50-most-banned-books-in-america/

zer0th · March 12, 2023, 09:51:51 PM

We cannot have nice things. I complimented Skorkowski on his game reviews not a week ago and, of course, he goes on Twatter show his ugly side. I suspect it is some trauma liberal Texans have about their Board of Education and "banning" of books talking for Seth here. But it doesn't change the fact that he messed up in that thread.

Although, you can't "ban" books from schools, if you don't have public schools and their boards.

FingerRod · March 13, 2023, 05:48:43 PM

Quote from: jhkim on March 12, 2023, 07:17:33 PM
Quote from: erc1971 on March 12, 2023, 10:53:48 AM
Quote from: Punch and Pie on March 12, 2023, 05:00:58 AM
I'm sure Seth Skorkowsky is in the green (and should stay green), but damn, did he step in it.

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he only read the subject/headers of the kool-aid drinkers and had no clue what the books' subject matter entailed, nor where the books were intentionally placed.

Holy shit did Seth fuck up royally on this! I do think we cannot give him the benefit of the doubt on this one however, I looked through the replies and such to his post, and he is in there defending leaving sexual stuff in the schools.

Can you include links if you're commenting on an external conversation? I presume this is the thread and Seth's comments on it.

https://twitter.com/SSkorkowsky/status/1633243793179770880

Quote from: Seth SkorkowskyFor any Tabletop Gamers who support banning books and materiel in schools, here's a list of schools that banned D&D during the 1980s because of made-up damage it was falsely accused of causing. Remember your roots.

Quote from: Seth SkorkowskyWhat books? Give examples. Verifiable ones. Even B.A.D.D. (Bothered About Dungeons & Dragons) had examples of suicides "directly caused" by D&D. So simply saying a book is bad because some moral panic propaganda site said so isn't going to cut it.

Quotearticle on changing language in Goosebumps books
Quote from: Seth SkorkowskyWow! They made changes without the author's permission? From the article, it appears he still owns the rights to the books, which means they can't do that. If the publisher owns the rights, it's a dick move, but their right. They should also note is as a revised content edition

Quote from: Seth SkorkowskyIs it just sexually explicit? All 50 of these?
Students can still read them by choice? So that Oklahoma librarian who got fired for letting students know they can get books from the Brooklyn Public Library didn't happen?
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/the-50-most-banned-books-in-america/

Both him, and now you, are pretending an example wasn't provided when he asked. And no, gaslighting about Goosebumps doesn't count.

Quote from: erc1971 on March 12, 2023, 03:21:14 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on March 12, 2023, 11:53:04 AM
Quote from: Punch and Pie on March 12, 2023, 05:00:58 AM
I'm sure Seth Skorkowsky is in the green (and should stay green), but damn, did he step in it.

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he only read the subject/headers of the kool-aid drinkers and had no clue what the books' subject matter entailed, nor where the books were intentionally placed.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt when somebody can show me where he walked back his comments. He was a cunt throughout that entire thread. He asked for direct evidence, it was provided, and he ghosted back to groomer island without a word.

Him and Ginny D would not be in green if we put youtubers on this list

Good point. I know he has some novels, but I don't know of any RPGs someone could directly purchase. So Seth politically speaking out against the removal of predatory and pornographic material from schools is probably more than a little off topic. I'll drop it.

jhkim · March 13, 2023, 07:13:07 PM

Quote from: FingerRod on March 13, 2023, 05:48:43 PM
Both him, and now you, are pretending an example wasn't provided when he asked. And no, gaslighting about Goosebumps doesn't count.

The only thing I did was link the conversation and quote what he said. I agree that an example was provided: Maia Kobabe's Gender Queer. I agree that it's a sexually explicit book, like Lolita and Ulysses, and it's appropriate to ban such books from elementary school libraries.

Quote from: FingerRod on March 13, 2023, 05:48:43 PM
Good point. I know he has some novels, but I don't know of any RPGs someone could directly purchase. So Seth politically speaking out against the removal of predatory and pornographic material from schools is probably more than a little off topic. I'll drop it.

From brief search, he's mainly a fiction author - and is also an RPG author but not an independent publisher. His book credits include:

Solomani Adventure 1 (for Mongoose Publishing)
https://www.mongoosepublishing.com/products/solomani-adventure-1-mysteries-on-arcturus-station

Keeper Tips (for Chaosium)
https://www.chaosium.com/keeper-tips/

Not Your Average Monster (for Bloodshot Books)
https://bloodshotbooks.wordpress.com/books/nyamv1/

New Tales of the Miskatonic Valley (for Stygian Fox)
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/299661/New-Tales-of-the-Miskatonic-Valley--An-Anthology-of-Call-of-Cthulhu-Scenarios-set-in-the-1920s

Since he's not publishing on his own, though, I'd agree that he's not a candidate for Ocule's list.

FingerRod · March 13, 2023, 07:37:14 PM

Quote from: jhkim on March 13, 2023, 07:13:07 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on March 13, 2023, 05:48:43 PM
Both him, and now you, are pretending an example wasn't provided when he asked. And no, gaslighting about Goosebumps doesn't count.

The only thing I did was link the conversation and quote what he said. I agree that an example was provided: Maia Kobabe's Gender Queer. I agree that it's a sexually explicit book, like Lolita and Ulysses, and it's appropriate to ban such books from elementary school libraries.

Quote from: FingerRod on March 13, 2023, 05:48:43 PM
Good point. I know he has some novels, but I don't know of any RPGs someone could directly purchase. So Seth politically speaking out against the removal of predatory and pornographic material from schools is probably more than a little off topic. I'll drop it.

From brief search, he's mainly a fiction author - and is also an RPG author but not an independent publisher. His book credits include:

Solomani Adventure 1 (for Mongoose Publishing)
https://www.mongoosepublishing.com/products/solomani-adventure-1-mysteries-on-arcturus-station

Keeper Tips (for Chaosium)
https://www.chaosium.com/keeper-tips/

Not Your Average Monster (for Bloodshot Books)
https://bloodshotbooks.wordpress.com/books/nyamv1/

New Tales of the Miskatonic Valley (for Stygian Fox)
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/299661/New-Tales-of-the-Miskatonic-Valley--An-Anthology-of-Call-of-Cthulhu-Scenarios-set-in-the-1920s

Since he's not publishing on his own, though, I'd agree that he's not a candidate for Ocule's list.

Okay, good...so not off topic. Thank you.

My apologies. By only posting his quotes, it appeared you were trying to show counter evidence to what erc1971 mentioned. I misread your intent and should have asked instead of accused. That one was on me.

Cathode Ray · March 14, 2023, 10:22:50 AM

Quote from: jhkim on March 13, 2023, 07:13:07 PM

The only thing I did was link the conversation and quote what he said. I agree that an example was provided: Maia Kobabe's Gender Queer. I agree that it's a sexually explicit book, like Lolita and Ulysses, and it's appropriate to ban such books from elementary school libraries.

It's got visual depictions of homosexual child pornography. Yet there are masses of people who think it's appropriate in grammar or middle school.

jhkim · March 14, 2023, 11:34:33 AM

Quote from: FingerRod on March 13, 2023, 07:37:14 PM
Quote from: jhkim on March 13, 2023, 07:13:07 PM
The only thing I did was link the conversation and quote what he said. I agree that an example was provided: Maia Kobabe's Gender Queer. I agree that it's a sexually explicit book, like Lolita and Ulysses, and it's appropriate to ban such books from elementary school libraries.

Okay, good...so not off topic. Thank you.

My apologies. By only posting his quotes, it appeared you were trying to show counter evidence to what erc1971 mentioned. I misread your intent and should have asked instead of accused. That one was on me.

Punch and Pie's comment posted just a screencap with no introduction or link to what the issue was or what Skorkowsky had said. Since I had to search to see what it was about, I posted the info that I found. We probably have some disagreement somewhere in the issue, but not on the specific point that you cited.

Punch and Pie · March 14, 2023, 09:21:04 PM

I thought Pundit would chime in and explain since it was after he and a couple of other sane people spoke, the HOW-DARE-YOU! Seth defenders leapt in.

clicky · March 16, 2023, 05:31:28 PM

Quote from: Thor's Nads on March 11, 2023, 07:57:22 PM
Quote from: Krazz on March 11, 2023, 12:18:44 PM
Do you have a link to either your website or DriveThru page? That sounds worth checking out.

Check out nightowlworkshop.com

Oh shoot. I didn't put two and two together, but I checked out Shadowdark today because Kickstarter told me you (though I didn't recognize the name) backed it (I backed Gunslinger, looking forward to it). From there I came here to see if there was anything on The Arcane Library (the use of "Ancestry" had me concerned). Read your description of your games, thought they sounded cool, so I checked out your site...turns out I had gone full circle. Congrats, I think you're now an influencer.

I appreciate the discussion on The Arcane Library here, helped me feel more informed about the situation.

THE_Leopold · March 16, 2023, 05:54:30 PM

Quote from: clicky on March 16, 2023, 05:31:28 PM
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I appreciate the discussion on The Arcane Library here, helped me feel more informed about the situation.

Shadowdark has it's own thread here:
https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/shadowdark-something-feels-a-bit-off/

Draw your own conclusions.

jhkim · March 17, 2023, 03:36:39 PM

Quote from: jhkim on March 14, 2023, 11:34:33 AM
Quote from: FingerRod on March 13, 2023, 07:37:14 PM
Quote from: jhkim on March 13, 2023, 07:13:07 PM
The only thing I did was link the conversation and quote what he said. I agree that an example was provided: Maia Kobabe's Gender Queer. I agree that it's a sexually explicit book, like Lolita and Ulysses, and it's appropriate to ban such books from elementary school libraries.

Okay, good...so not off topic. Thank you.

My apologies. By only posting his quotes, it appeared you were trying to show counter evidence to what erc1971 mentioned. I misread your intent and should have asked instead of accused. That one was on me.

Punch and Pie's comment posted just a screencap with no introduction or link to what the issue was or what Skorkowsky had said. Since I had to search to see what it was about, I posted the info that I found. We probably have some disagreement somewhere in the issue, but not on the specific point that you cited.

Quote from: Punch and Pie on March 14, 2023, 09:21:04 PM
I thought Pundit would chime in and explain since it was after he and a couple of other sane people spoke, the HOW-DARE-YOU! Seth defenders leapt in.

No problem, Punch and Pie. Threads move more slowly here than in Twitter, which is a good thing, in my opinion. So I think it's better to explain up front, but we all have our slip-ups.

Twitter tends to have a lot of quick emotional reactions like YOU-SUCK, NO-YOU, HOW-DARE-YOU, etc. And within a few minutes the so-called discussion is over. Here people may continue to discuss over days or weeks which is a good thing for nuance.

Ruprecht · March 18, 2023, 02:33:27 PM

Quote from: erc1971 on March 12, 2023, 10:53:48 AM
I do suspect that Seth is at the very least fine with woke - I mean his 3 favorite games are made by Chaosium, Mongoose, and R Talsorian - all of which are at least semi-woke, and he has never seemed to have been bothered by that nonsense.

All fairly old games though. Good chance he got into those games long before woke was a thing and wasn't bothered by the woke enough to ditch a favorite game.

erc1971 · March 19, 2023, 01:15:06 AM

Quote from: Ruprecht on March 18, 2023, 02:33:27 PM
Quote from: erc1971 on March 12, 2023, 10:53:48 AM
I do suspect that Seth is at the very least fine with woke - I mean his 3 favorite games are made by Chaosium, Mongoose, and R Talsorian - all of which are at least semi-woke, and he has never seemed to have been bothered by that nonsense.
All fairly old games though. Good chance he got into those games long before woke was a thing and wasn't bothered by the woke enough to ditch a favorite game.

He does play the newest editions of Traveller, CoC and CP Red - all which were printed after the companies went woke. With Cyberpunk and CoC he started them before woke was really a think, but Traveller is a newer addition to his roster of games.