So SJG is already red, just double checked. Yeah they might be at the point where i dont see em turning around i totally forgot about illuminati and the whole "reeeeeee trump" they did with it.

Any additional information on goblinoid games?

Welp, farewell SJW-G

Quote from: Abbo1993 on February 17, 2023, 06:20:24 AM
The fuckers at drivethrurpg just kicked out the Red Room from their site, that's right, they fucking removed a whole company over their last satirical game, this is actually a first even for them.

Technically, DTRPG kicked them out for having gone on social media and engaging in what DTRPG calls "hostile marketing" while the product was temporarily suspended pending review.

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 20, 2023, 07:38:40 AM

Quote from: Abbo1993 on February 17, 2023, 06:20:24 AM
The fuckers at drivethrurpg just kicked out the Red Room from their site, that's right, they fucking removed a whole company over their last satirical game, this is actually a first even for them.

Technically, DTRPG kicked them out for having gone on social media and engaging in what DTRPG calls "hostile marketing" while the product was temporarily suspended pending review.

I don't know what the supposedly hostile marketing that the Red Room did, but that sounds similar to what happened to Transfelinism Games in 2019.

DTRPG pulled their "Police_Procedure" RPG for review of its anti-police propaganda. From what I read, Transfelinism Games then edited their own company description to read "This company is banned" -- and proceeded to talk on social media about how they had been banned. They were then banned over "hostile marketing".

Quote from: jhkim on February 20, 2023, 01:06:43 PM
Transfelinism Games

Quote from: jhkim on February 20, 2023, 01:06:43 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 20, 2023, 07:38:40 AM

Quote from: Abbo1993 on February 17, 2023, 06:20:24 AM
The fuckers at drivethrurpg just kicked out the Red Room from their site, that's right, they fucking removed a whole company over their last satirical game, this is actually a first even for them.

Technically, DTRPG kicked them out for having gone on social media and engaging in what DTRPG calls "hostile marketing" while the product was temporarily suspended pending review.

I don't know what the supposedly hostile marketing that the Red Room did, but that sounds similar to what happened to Transfelinism Games in 2019.

DTRPG pulled their "Police_Procedure" RPG for review of its anti-police propaganda. From what I read, Transfelinism Games then edited their own company description to read "This company is banned" -- and proceeded to talk on social media about how they had been banned. They were then banned over "hostile marketing".

It's as if a self-fullfilling prophecy came to pass and the world was surprised over the outcome...

I created an account specifically to thank you for making this list. I have not played an RPG before and was interested in learning. I thought I might start with the D&D, but thanks to this list, that will not happen.
That's one less sale for WotC.

Quote from: Torch Fire on February 21, 2023, 10:34:17 PM
I created an account specifically to thank you for making this list. I have not played an RPG before and was interested in learning. I thought I might start with the D&D, but thanks to this list, that will not happen.
That's one less sale for WotC.

OSR Games (some of which RPG Pundit has made) and older editions of D&D will not give BOTC (Bigots Of The Coast) any money.

I don't know what OSR games are, nor am I familiar with RPG Pundit's work, but I'll seek to educate myself on those, thank you.
If nothing else, I think I might give Castles & Crusades a look.

Quote from: Torch Fire on February 21, 2023, 10:34:17 PM
I created an account specifically to thank you for making this list. I have not played an RPG before and was interested in learning. I thought I might start with the D&D, but thanks to this list, that will not happen.
That's one less sale for WotC.

The best way to learn is to play. You may need to play 5e D&D to find a gaming group, but you don't need to give WoTC any money. One good option for a print copy is the 5e Basic rules, which I believe Pundit claims some credit for. You can buy an at-cost copy from Lulu at https://www.lulu.com/shop/mike-mearls/dd-5e-basic-set-combined-edition/paperback/product-15gke8w9.html?page=1&pageSize=4 & there is a ton more at eg https://www.5esrd.com/

If you want to avoid 5e, Basic Fantasy is a cheap retro clone of old school D&D https://www.basicfantasy.org/ - the author is a bit left wing, if that bothers you or you want more of a swords & sorcery feel then Swords & Wizardry is a very good option http://www.swordsnwizardry.com/ - I like the White Box version, print copy at eg https://www.amazon.co.uk/White-Box-Fantastic-Medieval-Adventure/dp/1545516480/

Thank you for the suggestions.

Quote from: Torch Fire on February 21, 2023, 10:44:18 PM
I don't know what OSR games are, nor am I familiar with RPG Pundit's work, but I'll seek to educate myself on those, thank you.
If nothing else, I think I might give Castles & Crusades a look.

I'm not deep in RPGs,but there is one OSR game I play, and used to recommend, but... it's also on the list.

Play what you want, but don't give money to people who think you're shit and say so.

Basic fantasy creator is switching entirely to they and them pronouns in his next book just to poke people in the eye. I suppose you aren't giving him any money but still.

Castles and crusades IMO is still a good bet I'd still recommend it. There are plenty to choose from in the osr and out of the osr too. Ultimately I found your choice in osr games is pretty minimal. There are hundreds of osr compatible products but the overwhelming majority of osr comes in the form of the little brown books or 0e (modern clones such as swords & wizardry and even lion and dragon draw from this) and basic dnd route which includes most osr games overall. My personal recommendations within the osr are

Swords and wizardry
Adventurer conquerer king system (best racial classes)
Lion and dragon (I really like the way he does leveling up)
Castles and Crusades (these guys are kinda osr adjacent and great for people coming from 5e or 1e dnd. This is what 3rd edition should have been according to Gary gygax)

Others I've found that are old school games but not what is normally thought of as osr
Dragon warriors or advanced fighting fantasy. About the same game but dragon warriors has an implied setting
Tunnels & Trolls (heard good things haven't tried this one)
Mythras
Cepheus system or Traveller little black books
Warhammer fantasy role play 2e
Cyberpunk 2020 (not red. RTal is meh as a company but this was made when they were awesome.)
Savage worlds (they're yellow atm but the game is still solid)

then there is O5R which idk much about and some other gems out there
Index Card rpg
Ezd6


And there's always the option of just getting the rules cyclopedia and doing that.
People swear by these two and mechanics seem solid enough

Honestly it's hard to recommend something similar to 5e.  The actual competitor to them- Paizo's Pathfinder 2e- and the upcoming semi-clone, Kobold's unnamed "project black flag"- are both created by companies that seriously push left-ish politics in ways that some people would find distasteful.  I'd personally fund a Paizo over a WotC had I no other choice, but I couldn't even recommend PF2 to a 5e player without some caveats- it's simply not meant to be the same game.

To my eyes, the games are in four types- things that are in competition in the modern day with 5e, even if they aren't currently taking much marketshare, things that are built with modern gaming styles but aren't considered current, such as 3.X, OSR plus actual older D&D products (AD&D 2e and prior), and finally, everything else.  And I'll freely admit "everything else" is pretty broad and could be divided up further- it's just, past those main three, everything else seems less like an entire genre at this point.

Basically everyone either wants 5e (or something real similar), or something inspired by old school ideas.  And we have plenty of great OSR targets for anyone who wants that, but someone seeking 5e competitors, I mean, I don't think there's enough of them yet really.  I know that sounds silly, but it just does seem that way to me.