Quote from: Krazz on January 17, 2023, 03:58:56 PM

Quote from: Ocule on January 12, 2023, 03:33:17 PM

Quote from: zircher on January 12, 2023, 10:42:30 AM
I'll second that.  The Red Room are good people.

Red room is on green already, original post isn't being updated so I stickied a perma link to the full doc.

Is it possible to get rid of the original list from the first post and replace it with a perma-link too? It seems some people are still confusing the two.

There is a permalink? That is maintained?

Quote from: squirewaldo on January 18, 2023, 10:02:16 AM

Quote from: Krazz on January 17, 2023, 03:58:56 PM

Quote from: Ocule on January 12, 2023, 03:33:17 PM

Quote from: zircher on January 12, 2023, 10:42:30 AM
I'll second that.  The Red Room are good people.

Red room is on green already, original post isn't being updated so I stickied a perma link to the full doc.

Is it possible to get rid of the original list from the first post and replace it with a perma-link too? It seems some people are still confusing the two.

There is a permalink? That is maintained?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RlX78Yw9lbUMk2QwAZdpwNRGAd4Xe69eFgnFymWz6M0/edit?usp=sharing

Once this reply gets lost in this long thread, you can refind the link either in Ocule's signature, or there is a separate pinned thread with the link.

Quote from: Krazz on January 18, 2023, 02:36:53 PM

Quote from: squirewaldo on January 18, 2023, 10:02:16 AM

Quote from: Krazz on January 17, 2023, 03:58:56 PM

Quote from: Ocule on January 12, 2023, 03:33:17 PM

Quote from: zircher on January 12, 2023, 10:42:30 AM
I'll second that.  The Red Room are good people.

Red room is on green already, original post isn't being updated so I stickied a perma link to the full doc.

Is it an up-to-date version? Just looks like the same as the first post.
Is it possible to get rid of the original list from the first post and replace it with a perma-link too? It seems some people are still confusing the two.

There is a permalink? That is maintained?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RlX78Yw9lbUMk2QwAZdpwNRGAd4Xe69eFgnFymWz6M0/edit?usp=sharing

Once this reply gets lost in this long thread, you can refind the link either in Ocule's signature, or there is a separate pinned thread with the link.

Another name for the Green list.

Steve Miller:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Miller_(game_designer)
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Steve_Miller

He owns the NUELOW Games company:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/3765/NUELOW-Games

He's a member of Venger's Conservative OSR & RPG Group on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/conservative.osr

Here is his YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@SteveMillerTalks

And his Twitter:
https://twitter.com/nuelowgames

With this, the names that should be added to the green list are:

Steve Miller (NUELOW Games)
Jon Torres (The Basic Expert)
Ken St. Andre (Trollgodfather Press)

EDIT: I have just remembered a few more names for the Green list:

Felbrigg Herriot:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/3576/Felbrigg-Herriot
https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Felbrigg_Herriot

You can often see him in the comments of Grim Jim videos. He clearly has anti-SJW views even though he's a leftist.

Shawn Driscoll:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/22972/Shonner-Press
https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Shawn_Driscoll

A frequent user of this site and a supporter of its cause. He wasn't publishing anything until recently. Now he has a free book on DriveThruRPG. While it may be free, you could still support him by downloading it and giving an honest review. I believe that's enough to make it on a green list.

David Guyll:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/5695/Awful-Good-Games

The infamous ALLEGED owner of YourRPGIsShit blog. While controversial, he does seem to be against the SJW's influence in TTRPGs. He did an interview with Grim Jim once. He's now mostly selling on BigGeekEmporium.

I have also found out that there was an "Unknown (Blue)" list at one point, but that you have removed it for some reason. John Wick Presents was on that list because, while he explicitly came out against us, he wasn't making games anymore. He should be added to the Red list due to the fact that, while he's no longer making games, he's still selling them, and by extension, making money from them on DriveThruRPG. I believe he also had a sale there recently:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/622/John-Wick-Presents

Goblinoid Games also needs to be moved to the yellow or red list due to recent developments.

I also encourage you to bring back the blue "Unknown" list since we have had several people on the green list moved to a yellow and red list because we simply didn't know about their politics which turned out to be the same as all the other woke designers in TTRPG industry. The green list should be for people who specifically stated that they are neutral when it comes to politics or that they are against SJWs.

Yes, I know I keep repeating myself, but I think it's worth repeating it.

I will continue listing all the suggestions for this list that haven't been implemented yet when I have the time and see them mentioned. I hope that's okay with Ocule and RPGPundit.

I have been an online friend of Steve Miller for over 25 years, since his days running Ravenloft at TSR. He is thoroughly and fiercely opposed to any sort of censorship or political testing in the hobby.

Tim Hutchings and Thousand Year Old Vampire should be very Red

https://thousandyearoldvampire.com/

"My name is Tim Hutchings and I made this stuff...
...sometimes with help and sometimes single-handedly but never alone. None of the things I make would exist without the amazing society we live in, the cultural institutions we build to preserve it, and the people who appreciate it.

So I make a request:

If you are a supporter of the right I am going to ask that you not buy my games. I don't want your money, but more importantly I don't want you to feel comfortable enjoying things produced by the people and systems you want to destroy. Yes I mean members of cartoonishly evil hate groups, this includes Trump supporters too. You think the election was fixed and pandemic measures are bad? Stop listening to conservative radio. If you stand by quietly as Republicans take the power of the vote from African Americans in Alabama (and other states) and compete to hurt trans people as badly as possible then you are a bad person. You are lobbying for the death of my friends and relations, you are pushing for dangerous authoritarians to destroy the systems that let books like mine come to be. And this goes for equivalent groups outside the US–you know who you are.

People who make art and beauty and fun universally revile you and it's time you started to feel that. You aren't welcome here, you don't get to play with my things. Shoo.

And you know I'm right. It's why you're mad right now. Those people, the ones that lie to you to get you outraged, they aren't your friends. Hell, they'd be making fun of you for trying to buy a vampire game because they are bullies who hate you.

So to sum it all up:

There has been too much violence. Too much pain. But I have an honorable compromise: Just walk away. Give me your pump, the oil, the gasoline, and the whole compound, and I'll spare your lives."

This guy actually writes a diatribe slamming people of opposing ideological beliefs, then unironically quotes Lord Humongous to assert himself, and we're supposed to think he's the "good guy" (whatever that means in the imaginary fiction he's constructed)? EL OH EL!

Quote from: mudbanks on January 27, 2023, 08:24:47 AM
This guy actually writes a diatribe slamming people of opposing ideological beliefs, then unironically quotes Lord Humongous to assert himself, and we're supposed to think he's the "good guy" (whatever that means in the imaginary fiction he's constructed)? EL OH EL!

He's being honest about his politics. He idolizes an autocrat leader who takes your stuff.

I know that, but I find it funny, mind-boggling even, that that monologue was meant to be taken seriously. I couldn't make up better satire if I tried.

That last bit cracks me up.

Yar, har, fiddle-de-dee...

I kinda want to get a bunch of us like minded people together, buy the game, then post, like on twatter, that all us from that other horrible rpg site bought the game. We'd be like, enjoy our money dude.

Edit. I wouldn't really spend money on the game. I like my money too much. Wouldn't want to subject my money to a fascist yatzee

Another Green list suggestion, Jim Stater, creator of the NOD series and Blood & Treasure plus a bunch of mini-rpgs.

https://landofnod.blog/

He's not publishing much RPG stuff of late, but still sells. I know some people here are big on B&T. In over a decade I can't remember him bringing up politics once.

I wanted to say THANK YOU for the continuous effort in maintainting this list. It's sad that it is needed but after going through the same alienation with Star Wars, MtG and other things I find it refreshing to see that not only are there customers who are unwilling to put up with that (which one can guess from youtubers and comments) but also, maybe even more importantly, companies that try to stay the course.

The reason I post is because I was wondering if the time is right to include Cephalophair games to the red list. They haven't changed their behaviour but they are putting out an TTRPG in the near future and they are certainly big enough to be note worthy.
As to reasons why:
- The owner Isaac Childres has proven more than once that he is woke and will put that ideology into his games (Kickstarter updates, blogposts, twitter).
- Employing James Mendez as a cultural consultant (the guy who thinks that Orcs are racist, seriously read and watch his stuff it is mind boggling)

And I would add Leder Games to the yellow list (Root RPG). While they aren't putting off customers directly to my knowledge but there's a LOT of representation and BLM appreciation. https://ledergames.com/blogs/news/our-statement-on-gama-and-origins-online
I really liked the idea of having an RPG set in the world of Root (which I love btw).

With Fabula Ultima I was REALLY disappointed to see pronouns within the first few pages of the tutorial adventure.

Do either of those even make RPGs?

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 01, 2023, 11:56:47 PM
Do either of those even make RPGs?

Cephalophair Games will be publishing Gloomhaven: The Role-Playing Game, with an announced release date of April 2023.

https://cephalofair.com/blogs/blog/announcing-gloomhaven-the-role-playing-game

Leder Games makes Root: The Role-Playing Game in collaboration with Magpie Games.

https://ledergames.com/products/root-rpg