Quote from: Monero on August 06, 2022, 08:51:29 AM
Has their ever been an empirical study done that tests the theory "Representation matters"? Because as a Latino, it's never mattered to me and I'm not sure why or how skin color has become such an obsession over the past decade or so.

I watch movies, play games, or otherwise indulge in entertainment in order to escape the real world. I see myself every day in the mirror, I don't need to see myself riding on a dragon in a fantasy TV show or fighting the latest Super Hero villain.

Are some people really that desperate to "see themselves" in the entertainment they watch? It's kind of weird honestly and if i had to guess this push for "diversity and inclusivity" is done more by bored white kids on Twitter than the actual minorities they claim to champion.

White, progressive women are the usual suspects.  They know better than everyone else how we should live our lives.

Quote from: Monero on August 06, 2022, 08:51:29 AM
Has their ever been an empirical study done that tests the theory "Representation matters"? Because as a Latino, it's never mattered to me and I'm not sure why or how skin color has become such an obsession over the past decade or so.

I watch movies, play games, or otherwise indulge in entertainment in order to escape the real world. I see myself every day in the mirror, I don't need to see myself riding on a dragon in a fantasy TV show or fighting the latest Super Hero villain.

Are some people really that desperate to "see themselves" in the entertainment they watch? It's kind of weird honestly and if i had to guess this push for "diversity and inclusivity" is done more by bored white kids on Twitter than the actual minorities they claim to champion.

Begins with helicopter parenting, sheltering children and participation trophies, breeding a generation of self-centered narcissists. They need to "see themselves" in things in order to feel validated because they never learned humility.

Quote from: Effete on August 06, 2022, 10:36:45 AM

Quote from: Monero on August 06, 2022, 08:51:29 AM
Has their ever been an empirical study done that tests the theory "Representation matters"? Because as a Latino, it's never mattered to me and I'm not sure why or how skin color has become such an obsession over the past decade or so.

I watch movies, play games, or otherwise indulge in entertainment in order to escape the real world. I see myself every day in the mirror, I don't need to see myself riding on a dragon in a fantasy TV show or fighting the latest Super Hero villain.

Are some people really that desperate to "see themselves" in the entertainment they watch? It's kind of weird honestly and if i had to guess this push for "diversity and inclusivity" is done more by bored white kids on Twitter than the actual minorities they claim to champion.

Begins with helicopter parenting, sheltering children and participation trophies, breeding a generation of self-centered narcissists. They need to "see themselves" in things in order to feel validated because they never learned humility.

100% spot on

Quote from: Monero on August 06, 2022, 08:51:29 AM
Has their ever been an empirical study done that tests the theory "Representation matters"? Because as a Latino, it's never mattered to me and I'm not sure why or how skin color has become such an obsession over the past decade or so.

I watch movies, play games, or otherwise indulge in entertainment in order to escape the real world. I see myself every day in the mirror, I don't need to see myself riding on a dragon in a fantasy TV show or fighting the latest Super Hero villain.

Are some people really that desperate to "see themselves" in the entertainment they watch? It's kind of weird honestly and if i had to guess this push for "diversity and inclusivity" is done more by bored white kids on Twitter than the actual minorities they claim to champion.

Well, it does matter to me, and I'm definitely not a kid.

DELETE

Quote from: Monero on August 06, 2022, 08:51:29 AM
Has their ever been an empirical study done that tests the theory "Representation matters"? Because as a Latino, it's never mattered to me and I'm not sure why or how skin color has become such an obsession over the past decade or so.

I watch movies, play games, or otherwise indulge in entertainment in order to escape the real world. I see myself every day in the mirror, I don't need to see myself riding on a dragon in a fantasy TV show or fighting the latest Super Hero villain.

Are some people really that desperate to "see themselves" in the entertainment they watch? It's kind of weird honestly and if i had to guess this push for "diversity and inclusivity" is done more by bored white kids on Twitter than the actual minorities they claim to champion.

Spot on.

It's just amazing how self-centered people became, i suspect it has a lot to do with social media and how it reinforces narcissism. This fucking representation obsession is damaging so much otherwise good content.

Quote from: pawsplay on August 06, 2022, 02:47:17 PM

Quote from: Monero on August 06, 2022, 08:51:29 AM
Has their ever been an empirical study done that tests the theory "Representation matters"? Because as a Latino, it's never mattered to me and I'm not sure why or how skin color has become such an obsession over the past decade or so.

I watch movies, play games, or otherwise indulge in entertainment in order to escape the real world. I see myself every day in the mirror, I don't need to see myself riding on a dragon in a fantasy TV show or fighting the latest Super Hero villain.

Are some people really that desperate to "see themselves" in the entertainment they watch? It's kind of weird honestly and if i had to guess this push for "diversity and inclusivity" is done more by bored white kids on Twitter than the actual minorities they claim to champion.

Well, it does matter to me, and I'm definitely not a kid.

Ah yes ofc... I was watching the northman yesterday and as a white man i can totally see myself as an 2+ meters buffed bearded  berserker screaming like a wolf and biting my enemies throat off... Just grow up dude you'll need to do it someday

Quote from: pawsplay on August 06, 2022, 02:47:17 PM

Quote from: Monero on August 06, 2022, 08:51:29 AM
Has their ever been an empirical study done that tests the theory "Representation matters"? Because as a Latino, it's never mattered to me and I'm not sure why or how skin color has become such an obsession over the past decade or so.

I watch movies, play games, or otherwise indulge in entertainment in order to escape the real world. I see myself every day in the mirror, I don't need to see myself riding on a dragon in a fantasy TV show or fighting the latest Super Hero villain.

Are some people really that desperate to "see themselves" in the entertainment they watch? It's kind of weird honestly and if i had to guess this push for "diversity and inclusivity" is done more by bored white kids on Twitter than the actual minorities they claim to champion.

Well, it does matter to me, and I'm definitely not a kid.

But seeing "you" in entertainment would be awful for everyone else on the planet.  We have "entertainment" to get away from people like you.  The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.  -- Marx, errrr Spock, or somebody...

Quote from: Monero on August 06, 2022, 08:51:29 AM
Are some people really that desperate to "see themselves" in the entertainment they watch?

It's not so much that they want to "see themselves" in the entertainment they watch. As you have noted, it's primarily middle-class white kids who are demanding these things.

No, it's the power to make you change what you're doing, in any way, that they enjoy. It's the ability to claim empathy while expressing the exact opposite that they enjoy.

For hundreds of years storytelling has been about deliberately depicting people different from those who are hearing the story, ideologically, personally, in any myriad of ways, because the narrative empathy is inherent in healthy people. It's notable that decreases in real racism and real sexism happened when more exposure to people who possesses traits as part of being a well-rounded character are presented in media to populations. (Simultaneously, we also find brand-new ways to hate other people and things to hate them for, but that's the nature of man.)

The Woke don't want that. They pronounce the words but they don't believe them. And I have an increasing belief that this is because they don't have the ability to express narrative empathy. They literally cannot see someone who varies from them self as an empathetic being. And that is an attitude which has been cultivated rather than curtailed.

Ultimately, they just want to control you because they don't think of you as a person "like they are." And then they project that attitude on to you because you're different than they are.

Nope.

Everyone stick to the topic, or else. This is the absolute last warning.

Given the recent snafu with Blaine Pardoe, Catalyst Games Labs has further shifted to the red zone.

In a nutshell, Catalyst chose to let go a 37 year pillar of the BattleTech community rather that face woke protest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijWYsTRLfRo for more info...

This list is eye opening to say the least. Thank you for creating it and thank you for having a site that would host it in this day and age.
I have a question. I was about to purchase Dungeon Crawler Classics until I saw them in the Red category. I am interested in a classic D&D style OSR that would transfer well to small group and solo play. Would you all have any recommendations?

Quote from: 5Solas on August 19, 2022, 09:56:48 PM
This list is eye opening to say the least. Thank you for creating it and thank you for having a site that would host it in this day and age.
I have a question. I was about to purchase Dungeon Crawler Classics until I saw them in the Red category. I am interested in a classic D&D style OSR that would transfer well to small group and solo play. Would you all have any recommendations?

How small of a group? I have a group of 4 that play LotFP just fine. Pacesetter Games has some great B/X solo adventures that are just a DM and one player.

4 people but i want to run solo on my own at times.  I'll check out LotFP and Pacesetter Games. DCC seemed perfect. What a bummer.