Quote from: Tait Ransom on July 10, 2022, 11:53:41 PM

Quote from: Draca on July 10, 2022, 09:46:32 PM
Steve Jackson Games needs moved to Red.

What did they do?

The next most-recent thread on this part of the forum details the reason.  How could you have missed it"

His company does not want your pro life money.
https://youtu.be/P-JS7o1EFEI

Quote from: Draca on July 11, 2022, 01:09:51 AM
His company does not want your pro life money.
https://youtu.be/P-JS7o1EFEI

In point of fact, he will take your money and give it to the pro-abortion Lilith Fund, taking the purchase of his products from a morally neutral act to requiring what my religion calls material cooperation with evil.

Throw in triades bemoaning his white privilege and the coming apocalypse of the courts reversing gay marriage, ending trans rights and imposing a national tithe and he's gone full court Woke with an extra helping of "I will give money to people who hate you."

That's unfortunate.  SJG did great by an organization I advise and was very generous with product donations.  The organization can do as they wish, but I won't support SJG going forward.

Modiphius... already in the Red, but I was looking at the player's guide for "Achtung! Cthulhu" on one of Dave Thaumavore's reviews on y**tube.

Why is the Arab character fighting alongside the Allied forces & against the Nazis?

I guess this idea has existed for this product line for a while, and it's not like WW2 + Cthulhu needs to be historically accurate... but if they're making Arabs into an antifa WW2 faction, why not make FDR into a Black trans-Womxn while they're at it?

/SMH.

Quote from: bromides on July 11, 2022, 04:34:26 PM
Modiphius... already in the Red, but I was looking at the player's guide for "Achtung! Cthulhu" on one of Dave Thaumavore's reviews on y**tube.

Why is the Arab character fighting alongside the Allied forces & against the Nazis?

I guess this idea has existed for this product line for a while, and it's not like WW2 + Cthulhu needs to be historically accurate... but if they're making Arabs into an antifa WW2 faction, why not make FDR into a Black trans-Womxn while they're at it?

/SMH.

You joke, but I'd put money on that happening within the next 5 years if there isn't a major shift in pop culture.

Quote from: bromides on July 11, 2022, 04:34:26 PM
Modiphius... already in the Red, but I was looking at the player's guide for "Achtung! Cthulhu" on one of Dave Thaumavore's reviews on y**tube.

Why is the Arab character fighting alongside the Allied forces & against the Nazis?

Because in WWII over 2 millions Arabs fought alongside the Allies or contributed in various ways to the Allied cause?

The role of the Arabs in WWII is not a simple topic. Hitler and other Nazis made some overtures towards them and saw them as a tool to overthrow the British and French (and then Free French) rule in Arab territories. However one needs only to consider the war crimes perpetrated against the Arab population by the Italians in Libya (especially by Marshal Rodolfo Graziani) or what the Arabs saw happening in occupied territories after the fall of France to see how many didn't really buy these overtures by the Nazis and stayed with the Allies.

A Arab character in a Allied squad is nothing "forced" but actually based on historical events. Add to this the fact that this character may have had a bad experience with the Mythos as part of his background and it is easy to see because fighting them would be something that transcends origins and ethnicity. BTW, let's not forget Shalla in "Raiders of the Lost Ark".

Certainly seems reasonable to have Arab characters on either side in the war. You have the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and his followers on the Nazi side; that's not every Arab though. Nazi ideology tended to appeal to many Arab leaders, OTOH much of the Middle East was within the British sphere and the British had competent Arabists too, look at Laurence of Arabia in WW1!

Edit: I remember in WEG's "The Price of Freedom" RPG, one of the anti-Soviet pregen PCs is a Latina Trotskyite anti-Stalinist. You can always have dissidents.

Edit 2: None of this is to say that Modiphius is not Woke, OFC.

Forced participation especially in British India by the British Empire = Arabs fighting Nazis en masse.
Okay, thanks, guys.

Definitely no agenda there.

Next, you're going to tell me how wide-spread the overstated French "resistance" was?

Quote from: bromides on July 12, 2022, 10:07:04 AM
Forced participation especially in British India by the British Empire = Arabs fighting Nazis en masse.
Okay, thanks, guys.

Definitely no agenda there.

That's a false equivalency. Indians had to fight "because". Arabs fought for France in 1940 also "because" - but this excludes the hundreds of thousands of Arabs who fought still the Nazis as volunteers after the fall of France (when it was easy for Hitler to say "Hey, we freed you! Come over to our side!") This leads to...

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Next, you're going to tell me how wide-spread the overstated French "resistance" was?

In France the job of "La Résistance" was not to fight the occupation in the open. It was organised in cells, conducted guerrilla warfare, sabotaged the German rear areas (forcing them to divert resources from other theatres) and, before the D-Day, serve as "eyes in occupied France" for those who were organising the invasion.

In North Africa there was the whole whole XIX French Corps (which was crucial in holding the line when the Allies miscalculated the Axis strength after "Torch" and found themselves in a stalemate that lasted for the whole 1942-43 Winter - with fears of being forced to retreat before the line was stabilised). Three full divisions. According to some estimates, about 250,000 Arab soldiers served under the Free France banner in North Africa and Normandy.

You haven't read "An Army at Dawn" by Rick Atkinson - or, for what matters, Wikipedia, or Marc Bloch - I guess.

And, as we said, once someone realises that he is deep in the reality of the Cthulhu Mythos, he either join the Nazis - thus becoming a NPC - or fights the good fight, Indians included.

Steve came out all psycho on the Roe vs Wade decision.

Question...Atlas Games (which does Ars Magica) - does anyone have any information on specifics regarding their wokeness?

Thanks,
Eric

QuoteAnd, as we said, once someone realises that he is deep in the reality of the Cthulhu Mythos, he either join the Nazis - thus becoming a NPC - or fights the good fight, Indians included.

TBH in all this mess most woke think is linking Cthulhu with Nazis really, rather than making it something transcending those petty human squabbles, with cultists in many nations running totally separate game from war of muggles. Like I get that occult Nazi is kinda pulp trope, but let's not overdone it.

Quote from: Wrath of God on July 18, 2022, 03:57:02 PM

QuoteAnd, as we said, once someone realises that he is deep in the reality of the Cthulhu Mythos, he either join the Nazis - thus becoming a NPC - or fights the good fight, Indians included.

TBH in all this mess most woke think is linking Cthulhu with Nazis really, rather than making it something transcending those petty human squabbles, with cultists in many nations running totally separate game from war of muggles. Like I get that occult Nazi is kinda pulp trope, but let's not overdone it.

It works well with Delta Green, if one wants to use the "no one was innocent" trope. While Delta Green is, formally, against the Mythos, the temptation to be more pro-active is, IMHO, too strong - exp. if things in the war are going South. Delta Green vs. the initial Japanese invasion of Southeast Asia is full of opportunities. And, as I mentioned, the initial race for Tunis in late 1942 ("Tunis by Christmas!") was a disaster - with the Battle of Kasserine Pass being only the most famous among the low points.

Wow I've been doing some catching up, been working irl havnt had much time to hop online for gaming but I'm blown away by the ignorance out of Steve jackson games. I always knew them to be apolitical but I guess that's out the window now, this makes me actually pretty freakin angry because I love gurps as a game.

On a side not probably moving nu tsr down a few categories too but heard about the most recent drama going on and their behavior is just shitty. For people who are pro free speech they certainly are quick to file lawsuits against people who don't like them.

Whole world is going to shit and even my escapes are being corrupted with politics one at a time.