Quote from: According to the ashcan version of Velvet Generation, which came out around 2018 I think:We've wanted to do a new version for a long time, but everything came to a head in 2016. In early 2016, the losses of David Bowie, Prince, Lemmy and other rock demigods who inspired the Starchildren made this a good idea. In late 2016, seeing the United States and other governments take a disgusting right turn into outright fascism made it necessary.

I'm surprised they were able to publish that under the fascist regime.

I'd say that Blacksburg Tactical Research Center is in the green. BTRC products are equal aqopportunities offenders, they offend the right and the left equally.

Reading this thread is discouraging. I just want to run a grim dark hack and slash RPG and every VTT and system seems to hate me specifically.

Quote from: Tenacity on June 07, 2022, 04:21:26 PM
Reading this thread is discouraging. I just want to run a grim dark hack and slash RPG and every VTT and system seems to hate me specifically.

From what I can see, the 3D tabletop makers (Tabletop Simulator and Talespire) don't get involved in politics, so you might want to check them out.

Arkenforge isn't woke too so you can consider going with them + a streaming service.

Quote from: Krazz on June 07, 2022, 05:53:40 PM

Quote from: Tenacity on June 07, 2022, 04:21:26 PM
Reading this thread is discouraging. I just want to run a grim dark hack and slash RPG and every VTT and system seems to hate me specifically.

From what I can see, the 3D tabletop makers (Tabletop Simulator and Talespire) don't get involved in politics, so you might want to check them out.

I have yet to hear anything from Fantasy Grounds about their stances one way or another. Great tool, use it all the time.

Well,  23rd century productions, who just makes batllelords of he 23rd century now,  was slammed by a YT reviewer because it slammed on uncontrolled capitalism and corporate greed pretty heavily,  which he considered "so'shlist."

But it also features racism as a reality that all the woke oppression and tyranny can't crush (The Fott are genetically programmed to be racist by their creator just to offend the standards of the alliance, making  them a deliberate middle finger given to 'woke') and even features some races as having fairly evil traits (Phentari in particular)

I'd tend to rate it as very unwoke.

Quote from: Battlemaster on June 08, 2022, 09:56:40 AM
Well,  23rd century productions, who just makes batllelords of he 23rd century now,  was slammed by a YT reviewer because it slammed on uncontrolled capitalism and corporate greed pretty heavily,  which he considered "so'shlist."

But it also features racism as a reality that all the woke oppression and tyranny can't crush (The Fott are genetically programmed to be racist by their creator just to offend the standards of the alliance, making  them a deliberate middle finger given to 'woke') and even features some races as having fairly evil traits (Phentari in particular)

I'd tend to rate it as very unwoke.

If there is a SETTING or STORY based reason for a behavior or political stance that has elements of explanation around contained in the writing this, to me, is acceptable.   Having the author launch into a diatrabe at the preface of the book is a sure sign of Danger Ahead.

So many author's think they can self-write their political ideaology into a text with no Wrapper of Writing and think it'll sell well regardless of said author's political leanings.

Pro Tip: It won't. Stop doing it.

Well in America circa 2020 a lot of people have no problem with end stage capitalism and corporate greed being slammed.

Quote from: Tenacity on June 07, 2022, 04:21:26 PM
Reading this thread is discouraging. I just want to run a grim dark hack and slash RPG and every VTT and system seems to hate me specifically.

I dont think I've seen ANY politics from Owlbear Rodeo, my VTT of choice.

Hey, thanks to the response. I'm actually trying to host a game on roll 20 and sure enough one of the players complained about the uploaded rules. Apparently, having females of a species have less strength and a Beauty attribute isn't inclusive. I don't really care, just gonna roleplay that the females this player rolls are Amazons with Beauty of 2.

I'm going to check out Fantasy Grounds after this inevitably fails. I do have Tabletop simulator but man I really don't want to deal with the wonky object manipulation in 3D. Unless of course there is a way to turn that stuff off. I would be far more inclined to port this game to that if I didn't have to appease anyone with the kind of tales I'm trying to weave.

Grateful to this thread, helped me to understand the state of things in the hobby I'm trying to pick back up.

Honestly I would boot the poster as if they complain to RollD20 they will probably side with poster. Better to just avoid their woke bullshit altogether imo.

Quote from: Godsmonkey on June 08, 2022, 01:39:04 PM

Quote from: Tenacity on June 07, 2022, 04:21:26 PM
Reading this thread is discouraging. I just want to run a grim dark hack and slash RPG and every VTT and system seems to hate me specifically.

I dont think I've seen ANY politics from Owlbear Rodeo, my VTT of choice.

Second Owlbear. Good platform.

Quote from: Abraxus on June 08, 2022, 03:11:36 PM
Honestly I would boot the poster as if they complain to RollD20 they will probably side with poster. Better to just avoid their woke bullshit altogether imo.

Well since I'm trying to run an old school RPG that wasn't ever really popular back when it was made, It's hard to advertise the game. I still want to see if I can make it work somehow but I'm fairly sure you are correct. I will probably get reported in session 1. I'm just not going to invest my dollar, also the whole experience should be useful to me.

I'm looking at OwlBear, looks awesome. Seems I should make the player maps before hand and then import them? I'm not really sure as I just started a game and that was that.

Fantasy Grounds looks appealing too and I may just pick it up so I can play with other GMs running more mainstream games. After reading up on GammaWorld and being a huge Caves of Qud fan, I would love to get in on a game of that if the GM is good! Seems forums are full of woke nonsense so I'm trying to navigate them without getting too much attention.

Quote from: Tenacity on June 08, 2022, 05:42:40 PM

Fantasy Grounds looks appealing too and I may just pick it up so I can play with other GMs running more mainstream games. After reading up on GammaWorld and being a huge Caves of Qud fan, I would love to get in on a game of that if the GM is good! Seems forums are full of woke nonsense so I'm trying to navigate them without getting too much attention.

I avoid the forums as I have absolutely no need of them as the youtube videos put out explaning the in's and outs of FG are vastly superior.  You can buy all the prebuilt modules on DTRPG.  If the devs start spouting nonsense again (most are your archtypical developer types), then i'll be concerned.

Highly recommend this series to get you up and running: