Quote from: Wrath of God on April 13, 2022, 01:28:07 PM

QuoteDa fuq are you talking about? I haven't called you woke...

Unless you're also a Varg fanboy?

You basically said any kind of anti-freedom = woke, so as old school reactionary that definitely counts, we are not really libertarians

LOL, are you the bitch that made the interview with Jordan Peterson?

"So what you're saying is"

No, I didn't say such thing. I'm not a libertarian either, And being a commie isn't = Woke either, Grim Jim is really far left and very authoritarian on some things and yet he's not woke.

English, do you speak it?

Because we've already established you can't logic.

So you exclude some serious socialists from woke, but consider Varg Vikernes woke. That literally doesn't make sense.
Varg Vikernes is some racists anarchoprimitivist that want world to return to small monoethnic paleolithic tribes.

SJWs are rampant liberal socialists with obsession of social injustice leading them to demonise group they see as socially privilege and justify those unprivileged.

Varg believes if not in superiority then in necessity of isolation of races from each other. SJWs want cosmopolitan society and safespaces are for them at least ideologically crutches to help unprivileged. That's why their ideologies are so easy to fall into rampant scorpio-holes of inter-sectionality when they find new and new ways of being privileged/unprivileged and gets mad because they cannot estabilish who is most dis/privileged (I mean cis straight white man is obvious shot, but that's just 4 boxes, and they are way way further now).

I mean you can accusse SJWs for being lenient towards POC equivalents of Varg like Mr. Imhotep but that's not flow from inherent racism of this ideology, but inherent cucking to whoever seems weaker. Worship of Opressed, so to speak.

Quote from: Wrath of God on April 13, 2022, 01:44:57 PM
So you exclude some serious socialists from woke, but consider Varg Vikernes woke. That literally doesn't make sense.
Varg Vikernes is some racists anarchoprimitivist that want world to return to small monoethnic paleolithic tribes.

SJWs are rampant liberal socialists with obsession of social injustice leading them to demonise group they see as socially privilege and justify those unprivileged.

Varg believes if not in superiority then in necessity of isolation of races from each other. SJWs want cosmopolitan society and safespaces are for them at least ideologically crutches to help unprivileged. That's why their ideologies are so easy to fall into rampant scorpio-holes of inter-sectionality when they find new and new ways of being privileged/unprivileged and gets mad because they cannot estabilish who is most dis/privileged (I mean cis straight white man is obvious shot, but that's just 4 boxes, and they are way way further now).

I mean you can accusse SJWs for being lenient towards POC equivalents of Varg like Mr. Imhotep but that's not flow from inherent racism of this ideology, but inherent cucking to whoever seems weaker. Worship of Opressed, so to speak.

So you don't even know what the woke think.

"Freedom allows white men to dominate", that's a direct quote of an SJW. Meaning you nee to restrict white men so we poor non-white can compete.

Meaning to the SJWs we poor non-whites are inferior.

Exactly what your boy Varg believes.

SJWs want to discriminate in my favor and Varg wants to discriminate against me... I see no difference.

But you, on your arrogant ignorance, lack of logic and critical thinking see them as totally different and somehow think all socialists are woke...

Quote"Freedom allows white men to dominate", that's a direct quote of an SJW. Meaning you nee to restrict white men so we poor non-white can compete.

Meaning to the SJWs we poor non-whites are inferior.

Exactly what your boy Varg believes.

SJWs want to discriminate in my favor and Varg wants to discriminate against me... I see no difference.

Obviously there is difference.
Because Varg believes difference came from unchangable biological qualities of race - ergo this is straight up racism.

As basic definition says "Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to inherited attributes and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another."

SJWs believes that white dominates because due to cultural and economical advantage they gained during time when they were actually dominating over other ethnicities/races, they hold too much power and minorities had to be helped to be empowered otherwise as societies they will never gain equal foot (and equal foot between ethnicities is what SJWs generally decides. That's why SJWs ignore successful POC persons, because for them one man's achievement =/= social change.

Varg doesn't want you around in his Norwegian stone age village because he consider you to be filthy Homo sapiens who have no business in living in ancestral Neanderthal lands.
SJWs wants you to get extra points when appling to college because they believe as Latino you get worse educations, because you lived in poor neighbourhood, and it's injustice that needs to be equalised.

Now there are especially among various black revolutionaries (though I've seen some Nahuatl ones also) that spill all kind of actual racist shit about white people being inherently evil, with fucked up pineal gland, weaker metabolism due to lack of sun, and ironically obviously about blacks being true original Homo sapiens, while wypipo are filthy neanderthals (now I should make epic handshake meme about it). And those people are generally ignored by SJW community (and sometimes even promoted, though thankfully rarely) while they get mad trying to track smallest corn of white supremacy. Because of course white racists are racist to protect their privilege (despite most of them being some unwashed hicks), while black racists are victims of persecution so they need to be excused for their insane idiotic beliefs.

And I agree it's fucked up generally. I think Mr. Imhotep is generally quite simmilar to Varg, and it's dumb one is banned, and another excused because muh poor white people.
But while Varg and Mr. Imhotep insanities came from simmilar ideological believes about absolute primacy of own race/species interest over others, and praising it's glory, and so on, the SJW movement came from quite different background - it's mostly movement of washed up, neurotic white people, and most of SJW POC's are simmilar disrooted urbanites with barely any connection to their ethnic background.

I mean sure if you wanna boil everything to "any sort of discrimination based on race", then sure you can do so but a) it's terribly reductive b) not very useful c) since term "woke" at least according to my observations is used in specific way in English, it's simply against consensus defining words meaning. No point really. Different ideologies, different social backgrounds, and frankly even specific forms of racial discrimination would be vastly, vastly different.

So this reduction serves no purpose, aside I guess owning the SJWs.

Quote from: Wrath of God on April 12, 2022, 07:02:03 PM

It's as bad as mono-axis political compasses really. And honestly some explanations for red status just mimic woke cancelling attempts like "Anything with Germain's fingers on it is automatically red" which is basically digging in Monte Cook because you hate his gf, like really?

i am not backing Monte's current KS because of Pronouns in all the NPC's splattered everywhere across the book.   For a 1920's Appalachian Horror Cthulesque type game it utterly ignores that time period and takes Modern Ideas and thrusts it into a different time period.

Anytime I see Bob (they/them), Sue (she/xir), etc. I nope out of the book and demand a refund.   I refuse to look at Twitter degeneracy in my RPG books.

Quotei am not backing Monte's current KS because of Pronouns in all the NPC's splattered everywhere across the book.   For a 1920's Appalachian Horror Cthulesque type game it utterly ignores that time period and takes Modern Ideas and thrusts it into a different time period.

Anytime I see Bob (they/them), Sue (she/xir), etc. I nope out of the book and demand a refund.   I refuse to look at Twitter degeneracy in my RPG books.

Well I admit that's way more specific and rational reason than "his gf is a bitch".
However mind this - Monte caused serious butthurt on Big Purple, because Old Gods of Appalachia is alternative history where Appalachian region was desolated from mankind, as Native Americans shunned it (due to presence of Eldritch evil). TBP cannot stand such erasure of natives (even though ironically it makes them smart guys unlike all those wypipos who settled there later )

Quote from: Wrath of God on April 13, 2022, 02:31:37 PM

Quote"Freedom allows white men to dominate", that's a direct quote of an SJW. Meaning you nee to restrict white men so we poor non-white can compete.

Meaning to the SJWs we poor non-whites are inferior.

Exactly what your boy Varg believes.

SJWs want to discriminate in my favor and Varg wants to discriminate against me... I see no difference.

Obviously there is difference.
Because Varg believes difference came from unchangable biological qualities of race - ergo this is straight up racism.

As basic definition says "Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to inherited attributes and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another."

SJWs believes that white dominates because due to cultural and economical advantage they gained during time when they were actually dominating over other ethnicities/races, they hold too much power and minorities had to be helped to be empowered otherwise as societies they will never gain equal foot (and equal foot between ethnicities is what SJWs generally decides. That's why SJWs ignore successful POC persons, because for them one man's achievement =/= social change.

Varg doesn't want you around in his Norwegian stone age village because he consider you to be filthy Homo sapiens who have no business in living in ancestral Neanderthal lands.
SJWs wants you to get extra points when appling to college because they believe as Latino you get worse educations, because you lived in poor neighbourhood, and it's injustice that needs to be equalised.

Now there are especially among various black revolutionaries (though I've seen some Nahuatl ones also) that spill all kind of actual racist shit about white people being inherently evil, with fucked up pineal gland, weaker metabolism due to lack of sun, and ironically obviously about blacks being true original Homo sapiens, while wypipo are filthy neanderthals (now I should make epic handshake meme about it). And those people are generally ignored by SJW community (and sometimes even promoted, though thankfully rarely) while they get mad trying to track smallest corn of white supremacy. Because of course white racists are racist to protect their privilege (despite most of them being some unwashed hicks), while black racists are victims of persecution so they need to be excused for their insane idiotic beliefs.

And I agree it's fucked up generally. I think Mr. Imhotep is generally quite simmilar to Varg, and it's dumb one is banned, and another excused because muh poor white people.
But while Varg and Mr. Imhotep insanities came from simmilar ideological believes about absolute primacy of own race/species interest over others, and praising it's glory, and so on, the SJW movement came from quite different background - it's mostly movement of washed up, neurotic white people, and most of SJW POC's are simmilar disrooted urbanites with barely any connection to their ethnic background.

I mean sure if you wanna boil everything to "any sort of discrimination based on race", then sure you can do so but a) it's terribly reductive b) not very useful c) since term "woke" at least according to my observations is used in specific way in English, it's simply against consensus defining words meaning. No point really. Different ideologies, different social backgrounds, and frankly even specific forms of racial discrimination would be vastly, vastly different.

So this reduction serves no purpose, aside I guess owning the SJWs.

Tell me you didn't understood a word I wrote, the definition of racism and just wrote a wall of text to hide the fact that you can't logic, without telling me you didn't understood a word I wrote, the definition of racism and just wrote a wall of text to hide the fact that you can't logic.

Quote from: Wrath of God on April 13, 2022, 04:06:31 PM

Quotei am not backing Monte's current KS because of Pronouns in all the NPC's splattered everywhere across the book.   For a 1920's Appalachian Horror Cthulesque type game it utterly ignores that time period and takes Modern Ideas and thrusts it into a different time period.

Anytime I see Bob (they/them), Sue (she/xir), etc. I nope out of the book and demand a refund.   I refuse to look at Twitter degeneracy in my RPG books.

Well I admit that's way more specific and rational reason than "his gf is a bitch".
However mind this - Monte caused serious butthurt on Big Purple, because Old Gods of Appalachia is alternative history where Appalachian region was desolated from mankind, as Native Americans shunned it (due to presence of Eldritch evil). TBP cannot stand such erasure of natives (even though ironically it makes them smart guys unlike all those wypipos who settled there later )

The mental gymnastics for SJW cancelation deserve platinum medals for 11/10 complexity.

QuoteTell me you didn't understood a word I wrote, the definition of racism and just wrote a wall of text to hide the fact that you can't logic, without telling me you didn't understood a word I wrote, the definition of racism and just wrote a wall of text to hide the fact that you can't logic.

I definitely cannot grasp the depth of aspie logic, that for sure.
Definition of racism is clear and obvious, well unless you wanna redefine it with "only systemic racism is racism" of SJWs.
It's based on belief into inherent immovable biological differences estabilishing hierarchies between races.

Remove this belief, and it's cease being racism (though it still very well may be some unjust discrimination).

Quote from: Wrath of God on April 13, 2022, 04:39:17 PM

QuoteTell me you didn't understood a word I wrote, the definition of racism and just wrote a wall of text to hide the fact that you can't logic, without telling me you didn't understood a word I wrote, the definition of racism and just wrote a wall of text to hide the fact that you can't logic.

I definitely cannot grasp the depth of aspie logic, that for sure.
Definition of racism is clear and obvious, well unless you wanna redefine it with "only systemic racism is racism" of SJWs.
It's based on belief into inherent immovable biological differences estabilishing hierarchies between races.

Remove this belief, and it's cease being racism (though it still very well may be some unjust discrimination).

You don't understand words, let alone logic, and aspie logic is far superior to yours from what we've seen.

I don't have the time, patience or crayons to explain things to you in such a way you MIGHT understand.

QuoteYou don't understand words, let alone logic, and aspie logic is far superior to yours from what we've seen.

I'm not gonna trust aspie's judgement sorry.
And it's you that have problems with words, when they don't fit your neat manicheistic little boxes

Quote from: Wrath of God on April 13, 2022, 05:33:45 PM

QuoteYou don't understand words, let alone logic, and aspie logic is far superior to yours from what we've seen.

I'm not gonna trust aspie's judgement sorry.
And it's you that have problems with words, when they don't fit your neat manicheistic little boxes

"No, no guys I'm smurt! Even if I don't understand the definition of words or how those definitions apply to what GeegyBugle wrote!"

I do not have the time, patience or crayons to explain to you how wrong you are.

Geekybugle is of the "everything I don't like politically is all the same" school of thought. It's in his signature line basically. Sure, the far right and far left resemble each other, the way Scientology sometimes resembles Mormonism, but I don't think it makes sense to conflate them.

Quote from: Wrath of God on April 13, 2022, 04:39:17 PM
It's based on belief into inherent immovable biological differences estabilishing hierarchies between races.

Racism = "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group"

I don't know where you are getting the idea that it MUST be connected to supremacism. Normally it's just ignorance or bad personal experiences.

Quote from: Trond on April 13, 2022, 05:58:04 PM
Geekybugle is of the "everything I don't like politically is all the same" school of thought. It's in his signature line basically. Sure, the far right and far left resemble each other, the way Scientology sometimes resembles Mormonism, but I don't think it makes sense to conflate them.

Wrong, and my posts a little back prove you're of the school of thought of "I'll open my yap and vomit shit without knowing what I'm talking about".