Quote from: Howard on March 14, 2022, 02:25:10 AM

Quote from: mudbanks on March 13, 2022, 08:44:36 PM
Sorry to hijack a bit, but does anyone have any opinions on Infinium Game Studios?

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/9638/Infinium-Game-Studios

I backed a KS project of theirs a while back, but haven't read the product, so I can't speak to things from that direction. In terms of their customer communications (KS updates, DTRPG marketing email) I can't recall seeing anything that set my spidey senses off.

See for example this project's updates. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/infiniumgamestudio/villainous-compendium-villains-and-henchmen-for-pa/posts

Thanks!

Schwalb Entertainment is in Green. R. Talsorian Games is in Yellow.

Both donated to the bail project. https://gnomestew.com/game-companies-say-black-lives-matter/

Maybe there's another reason for R. Talsorian being in Yellow than that, but if so I don't think that has been communicated in this thread, while I have seen other mentions about why Schwalb shouldn't be in the Green.

On Pelgrane Press being in the Red for the "Straight White Guys make great punching bags" line, they were explaining why the protag in one of the CC modules had to be straight and white. If they made the protag anything else then the hardship they would have gone through would have elicited outrage about promoting violence against a minority. And that's true. A straight white man is the only protagonist you can have bad things happen to so that he can overcome adversity and succeed without outrage. They were simply telling the truth, and I don't think that merits being put on in the Red list.

Now on the other hand they have #Feminism, but that's a separate product and you know exactly what you're getting by reading the title. If you don't like it you don't buy it. Has Pelgrane actually done anything seriously objectionable in their other products or otherwise taken a serious stance? They did donate to the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, but if that merits being in the Red, then again Schwalb shouldn't be in the Green.

Also, is ICE ever going to get properly listed as Iron Crown Enterprises? Or is the typo being left for laughs?

Quote from: TrueWOPR on January 01, 2022, 10:18:33 PM
Mongoose Publishing (Green) completely retconned the PARANOIA universe, making Friend Computer incredibly progressive because fair treatment is oppression, so gay and trans characters are treated better but straight or normal characters are expendable.
All instances of "Communist" were replaced with "Terrorist" since calling communists the bad guys isn't acceptable. (appeasing the left)
Previously all forms of sexual activity were seen as against the computers will, going against the computer is treason, treason is punishable by death.
Now that punishment is written as "procreation implies the computers design is imperfect" and that homosexual relations are "misunderstood as enthusiastic wrestling.  Practicing fighting mutants is acceptable" (so instead of "sex is illegal" now it's "straight sex is illegal")
the release campaign has they/them and non-binary characters because friend computer believes in trans-rights I suppose.  Character sheets have a pronoun box. "Don't be an asshole"?  Yeah right... - Red

While I'm sure that is at the very least pandering, in the context of Paranoia I think it adds some verisimilitude. It's like Friend Computer is an AI originally programmed in Silicon Valley as it is today.

Quote from: migo on March 14, 2022, 01:07:50 PM

Quote from: TrueWOPR on January 01, 2022, 10:18:33 PM
Mongoose Publishing (Green) completely retconned the PARANOIA universe, making Friend Computer incredibly progressive because fair treatment is oppression, so gay and trans characters are treated better but straight or normal characters are expendable.
All instances of "Communist" were replaced with "Terrorist" since calling communists the bad guys isn't acceptable. (appeasing the left)
Previously all forms of sexual activity were seen as against the computers will, going against the computer is treason, treason is punishable by death.
Now that punishment is written as "procreation implies the computers design is imperfect" and that homosexual relations are "misunderstood as enthusiastic wrestling.  Practicing fighting mutants is acceptable" (so instead of "sex is illegal" now it's "straight sex is illegal")
the release campaign has they/them and non-binary characters because friend computer believes in trans-rights I suppose.  Character sheets have a pronoun box. "Don't be an asshole"?  Yeah right... - Red

While I'm sure that is at the very least pandering, in the context of Paranoia I think it adds some verisimilitude. It's like Friend Computer is an AI originally programmed in Silicon Valley as it is today.

No Paranoia is Pretty fucking SJW Now...and anything that smells that much like SJW trash should stay on Red

Quote from: migo on March 14, 2022, 01:05:44 PM

Schwalb Entertainment is in Green. R. Talsorian Games is in Yellow.

Both donated to the bail project. https://gnomestew.com/game-companies-say-black-lives-matter/

Maybe there's another reason for R. Talsorian being in Yellow than that, but if so I don't think that has been communicated in this thread, while I have seen other mentions about why Schwalb shouldn't be in the Green.

On Pelgrane Press being in the Red for the "Straight White Guys make great punching bags" line, they were explaining why the protag in one of the CC modules had to be straight and white. If they made the protag anything else then the hardship they would have gone through would have elicited outrage about promoting violence against a minority. And that's true. A straight white man is the only protagonist you can have bad things happen to so that he can overcome adversity and succeed without outrage. They were simply telling the truth, and I don't think that merits being put on in the Red list.

Now on the other hand they have #Feminism, but that's a separate product and you know exactly what you're getting by reading the title. If you don't like it you don't buy it. Has Pelgrane actually done anything seriously objectionable in their other products or otherwise taken a serious stance? They did donate to the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, but if that merits being in the Red, then again Schwalb shouldn't be in the Green.

Also, is ICE ever going to get properly listed as Iron Crown Enterprises? Or is the typo being left for laughs?

Iron Crown Enterprises was called ICE back in the 90's...If youre so worried about what its called you should know that

Any company that puts out a game called #Feminism should stay in the Red...

As for Pelgrane...thats your opinion...My opinion is it should stay in the red

If schwalb donated to that bullshit...red it should be as well

Quote from: The Comedian on March 14, 2022, 01:22:44 PM
No Paranoia is Pretty fucking SJW Now...and anything that smells that much like SJW trash should stay on Red

Or should there be an infrared section especially for Paranoia? 

Quote from: The Comedian on March 14, 2022, 01:26:18 PM

Quote from: migo on March 14, 2022, 01:05:44 PM

Schwalb Entertainment is in Green. R. Talsorian Games is in Yellow.

Both donated to the bail project. https://gnomestew.com/game-companies-say-black-lives-matter/

Maybe there's another reason for R. Talsorian being in Yellow than that, but if so I don't think that has been communicated in this thread, while I have seen other mentions about why Schwalb shouldn't be in the Green.

On Pelgrane Press being in the Red for the "Straight White Guys make great punching bags" line, they were explaining why the protag in one of the CC modules had to be straight and white. If they made the protag anything else then the hardship they would have gone through would have elicited outrage about promoting violence against a minority. And that's true. A straight white man is the only protagonist you can have bad things happen to so that he can overcome adversity and succeed without outrage. They were simply telling the truth, and I don't think that merits being put on in the Red list.

Now on the other hand they have #Feminism, but that's a separate product and you know exactly what you're getting by reading the title. If you don't like it you don't buy it. Has Pelgrane actually done anything seriously objectionable in their other products or otherwise taken a serious stance? They did donate to the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, but if that merits being in the Red, then again Schwalb shouldn't be in the Green.

Also, is ICE ever going to get properly listed as Iron Crown Enterprises? Or is the typo being left for laughs?

Iron Crown Enterprises was called ICE back in the 90's...If youre so worried about what its called you should know that

Sure, I'll bite.

If you could read properly, you'd see that I referred to ICE as ICE, so obviously I know that. And if you had read the original post, you would see they're incorrectly listed as Ice Crown Enterprises, as if their company name were a Unix joke.

Quote from: Skullking on March 14, 2022, 01:34:20 PM

Or should there be an infrared section especially for Paranoia? 

I approve of this notion.

Also, with regards to not giving woke companies too much press - it would make sense to delete Arcanist Press and Evil Beagle from the list. Go to their website and it's immediately obvious what you're dealing with. SPF advertises it, and AP you can tell simply based on the title of their first product. Nobody's going to buy Ancestry & Culture: An Alternative to Race in 5e unless they're already an SJW anyway.

Quote from: migo on March 14, 2022, 01:36:56 PM

Quote from: The Comedian on March 14, 2022, 01:26:18 PM

Quote from: migo on March 14, 2022, 01:05:44 PM

Schwalb Entertainment is in Green. R. Talsorian Games is in Yellow.

Both donated to the bail project. https://gnomestew.com/game-companies-say-black-lives-matter/

Maybe there's another reason for R. Talsorian being in Yellow than that, but if so I don't think that has been communicated in this thread, while I have seen other mentions about why Schwalb shouldn't be in the Green.

On Pelgrane Press being in the Red for the "Straight White Guys make great punching bags" line, they were explaining why the protag in one of the CC modules had to be straight and white. If they made the protag anything else then the hardship they would have gone through would have elicited outrage about promoting violence against a minority. And that's true. A straight white man is the only protagonist you can have bad things happen to so that he can overcome adversity and succeed without outrage. They were simply telling the truth, and I don't think that merits being put on in the Red list.

Now on the other hand they have #Feminism, but that's a separate product and you know exactly what you're getting by reading the title. If you don't like it you don't buy it. Has Pelgrane actually done anything seriously objectionable in their other products or otherwise taken a serious stance? They did donate to the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, but if that merits being in the Red, then again Schwalb shouldn't be in the Green.

Also, is ICE ever going to get properly listed as Iron Crown Enterprises? Or is the typo being left for laughs?

Iron Crown Enterprises was called ICE back in the 90's...If youre so worried about what its called you should know that

Sure, I'll bite.

If you could read properly, you'd see that I referred to ICE as ICE, so obviously I know that. And if you had read the original post, you would see they're incorrectly listed as Ice Crown Enterprises, as if their company name were a Unix joke.

Its not a problem...I just have trouble understanding closet SJW's...

Quote from: migo on March 14, 2022, 01:05:44 PM
On Pelgrane Press being in the Red for the "Straight White Guys make great punching bags" line, they were explaining why the protag in one of the CC modules had to be straight and white. If they made the protag anything else then the hardship they would have gone through would have elicited outrage about promoting violence against a minority. And that's true. A straight white man is the only protagonist you can have bad things happen to so that he can overcome adversity and succeed without outrage. They were simply telling the truth, and I don't think that merits being put on in the Red list.

Now on the other hand they have #Feminism, but that's a separate product and you know exactly what you're getting by reading the title. If you don't like it you don't buy it. Has Pelgrane actually done anything seriously objectionable in their other products or otherwise taken a serious stance? They did donate to the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, but if that merits being in the Red, then again Schwalb shouldn't be in the Green.

  They had the "Gaming Saves the World" seminar at Gencon 2017, which appears to have been about leveraging the hobby for political activism in some way, but I've never gotten a good description of it.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 14, 2022, 05:39:01 PM

Quote from: migo on March 14, 2022, 01:05:44 PM
On Pelgrane Press being in the Red for the "Straight White Guys make great punching bags" line, they were explaining why the protag in one of the CC modules had to be straight and white. If they made the protag anything else then the hardship they would have gone through would have elicited outrage about promoting violence against a minority. And that's true. A straight white man is the only protagonist you can have bad things happen to so that he can overcome adversity and succeed without outrage. They were simply telling the truth, and I don't think that merits being put on in the Red list.

Now on the other hand they have #Feminism, but that's a separate product and you know exactly what you're getting by reading the title. If you don't like it you don't buy it. Has Pelgrane actually done anything seriously objectionable in their other products or otherwise taken a serious stance? They did donate to the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, but if that merits being in the Red, then again Schwalb shouldn't be in the Green.

  They had the "Gaming Saves the World" seminar at Gencon 2017, which appears to have been about leveraging the hobby for political activism in some way, but I've never gotten a good description of it.

That does sound more deserving of it. So far the best I can find is https://www.kenandrobintalkaboutstuff.com/index.php/episode-257-gen-con-2017/#comment-346454 which suggests they may be posted online. On the other hand if they had some really objectionable things to say they may not post it at all.

Edit: Found a link to a podcast of what may be the seminar, can't listen to it though because I'm not in the US. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dspn-presents/id1244458830?mt=2

Quote from: migo on March 14, 2022, 06:43:12 PM
That does sound more deserving of it. So far the best I can find is https://www.kenandrobintalkaboutstuff.com/index.php/episode-257-gen-con-2017/#comment-346454 which suggests they may be posted online. On the other hand if they had some really objectionable things to say they may not post it at all.

Edit: Found a link to a podcast of what may be the seminar, can't listen to it though because I'm not in the US. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dspn-presents/id1244458830?mt=2

   I've found several links, but they've all expired. It was five years ago, after all.

More woke Bullshit:

https://www.rollvsevil.com/

I know this a little old but the end this make think some.  Is Roll20 woke?
Correlation is not causation. It's possible a publisher's level of social awareness is completely unrelated to their sales. That said, if a store owner asked me what games to stock, or if a studio exec asked me which game franchises to turn into TV shows, I would tell them both to avoid "Not Woke" publishers. Those publishers don't do much business.
https://medium.com/theuglymonster/woke-roleplaying-games-sell-better-than-not-woke-rpgs-cb5853fba7a2