Kask is a left-wing old TSR guy, he was attacked by the SJWs for hosting all-female games at a convention due to his lack of femaleness.

Quote from: S'mon on February 21, 2022, 03:44:44 PM
Kask is a left-wing old TSR guy, he was attacked by the SJWs for hosting all-female games at a convention due to his lack of femaleness.

You can never be pure enough.

Quote from: S'mon on February 21, 2022, 03:44:44 PM
Kask is a left-wing old TSR guy, he was attacked by the SJWs for hosting all-female games at a convention due to his lack of femaleness.

>runs and hosts all-girl games
>is somehow the bad guy

Wow. That's fucking asinine. I might have to look at the guy's stuff and buy it, just to give the wokescolds the finger.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 21, 2022, 06:41:59 PM

Quote from: S'mon on February 21, 2022, 03:44:44 PM
Kask is a left-wing old TSR guy, he was attacked by the SJWs for hosting all-female games at a convention due to his lack of femaleness.

>runs and hosts all-girl games
>is somehow the bad guy

Wow. That's fucking asinine. I might have to look at the guy's stuff and buy it, just to give the wokescolds the finger.

IF he's a male feminist (and it looks like he is) then chances are he IS the bad guy. Not for running all stronk wahmen games, but still.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 21, 2022, 07:00:31 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 21, 2022, 06:41:59 PM

Quote from: S'mon on February 21, 2022, 03:44:44 PM
Kask is a left-wing old TSR guy, he was attacked by the SJWs for hosting all-female games at a convention due to his lack of femaleness.

>runs and hosts all-girl games
>is somehow the bad guy

Wow. That's fucking asinine. I might have to look at the guy's stuff and buy it, just to give the wokescolds the finger.

IF he's a male feminist (and it looks like he is) then chances are he IS the bad guy. Not for running all stronk wahmen games, but still.

A quick Facebook search turns up this (checking people's public social media feels slightly SJW-skeevy to me, but oh well):

Tim Kask
27 June 2021
Some person who has the Twitter handle of the same name as an unpublished game by Jim Ward, made a reprehensible comment directly to a person who identifies as a trans woman. (Please forgive me if I get my pronouns mixed up, I am still striving to adapt. New words and new meanings such as "identifies" "presents" and others I am working on are included.)
That person directly insulted the poster by saying "You are disgusting." I can't seem to find quite the right word: rude, demeaning, crass, ugly, hateful, spiteful and just plain insensitive just don't quite encompass the feelings I have about that remark. Indescribably stupid comes close.
Please, please, please DO NOT associate Jim with this vile and disgusting behavior. Jim is a product of his times but one of the nicest and inclusive guys you will ever meet in this business and has always welcomed everyone at his table; he is equally appalled at the dumpster fire this has become.
I have always welcomed anybody at my table; I have no checklist you must pass to play. I don't ask, nor do I care, who you sleep with or what you wear. When you play at my table your name is the name of the pre-gen PC you are playing.
I cannot sit by and watch this hatred and ignorance destroy part of the hobby and industry that I helped create—I simply cannot sit on my hands, mute.
When we roleplay, we are ALL pretending to be something we are not –a PC. The "C" stands for character, "a person in a novel, play, or movie". I think we can call what we do amateur plays that we write the dialogue for as we go.
If nothing else, can we not pretend that all of that does not matter in the play-acting that we do?
This old hippy just doesn't give a s**t about all of that; live and let live. I do my thing, you do yours. What you do when you are not at my table does not concern or interest me in the least, unless we are going fishing together.
The "Old School" guys, in which category I fall, were not all sexist, misogynist horrible pigs. We were a product of our times, from the rules of Grammar were taught to prevailing social mores in our everyday lives that we absorbed through social osmosis. Most of us have matured as we aged and have adopted the present reality wholeheartedly. As a former History teacher, I know all too well how easy it is to criticize something from the past based on the standards of today.
That said, what good does it do for our hobby to be riven with this fight? Whose agenda does it serve? One of the issues that lit this fire was very poor word choice. The accelerant was the hateful Twitter post. The extinguisher needs to be a calm, measured assessment of what we are doing to ourselves and the resolve to do better.

You can judge for yourselves, but personally I have no problem with that.

Quote from: S'mon on February 21, 2022, 07:09:07 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 21, 2022, 07:00:31 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 21, 2022, 06:41:59 PM

Quote from: S'mon on February 21, 2022, 03:44:44 PM
Kask is a left-wing old TSR guy, he was attacked by the SJWs for hosting all-female games at a convention due to his lack of femaleness.

>runs and hosts all-girl games
>is somehow the bad guy

Wow. That's fucking asinine. I might have to look at the guy's stuff and buy it, just to give the wokescolds the finger.

IF he's a male feminist (and it looks like he is) then chances are he IS the bad guy. Not for running all stronk wahmen games, but still.

A quick Facebook search turns up this (checking people's public social media feels slightly SJW-skeevy to me, but oh well):

Tim Kask
27 June 2021
Some person who has the Twitter handle of the same name as an unpublished game by Jim Ward, made a reprehensible comment directly to a person who identifies as a trans woman. (Please forgive me if I get my pronouns mixed up, I am still striving to adapt. New words and new meanings such as "identifies" "presents" and others I am working on are included.)
That person directly insulted the poster by saying "You are disgusting." I can't seem to find quite the right word: rude, demeaning, crass, ugly, hateful, spiteful and just plain insensitive just don't quite encompass the feelings I have about that remark. Indescribably stupid comes close.
Please, please, please DO NOT associate Jim with this vile and disgusting behavior. Jim is a product of his times but one of the nicest and inclusive guys you will ever meet in this business and has always welcomed everyone at his table; he is equally appalled at the dumpster fire this has become.
I have always welcomed anybody at my table; I have no checklist you must pass to play. I don't ask, nor do I care, who you sleep with or what you wear. When you play at my table your name is the name of the pre-gen PC you are playing.
I cannot sit by and watch this hatred and ignorance destroy part of the hobby and industry that I helped create—I simply cannot sit on my hands, mute.
When we roleplay, we are ALL pretending to be something we are not –a PC. The "C" stands for character, "a person in a novel, play, or movie". I think we can call what we do amateur plays that we write the dialogue for as we go.
If nothing else, can we not pretend that all of that does not matter in the play-acting that we do?
This old hippy just doesn't give a s**t about all of that; live and let live. I do my thing, you do yours. What you do when you are not at my table does not concern or interest me in the least, unless we are going fishing together.
The "Old School" guys, in which category I fall, were not all sexist, misogynist horrible pigs. We were a product of our times, from the rules of Grammar were taught to prevailing social mores in our everyday lives that we absorbed through social osmosis. Most of us have matured as we aged and have adopted the present reality wholeheartedly. As a former History teacher, I know all too well how easy it is to criticize something from the past based on the standards of today.
That said, what good does it do for our hobby to be riven with this fight? Whose agenda does it serve? One of the issues that lit this fire was very poor word choice. The accelerant was the hateful Twitter post. The extinguisher needs to be a calm, measured assessment of what we are doing to ourselves and the resolve to do better.

You can judge for yourselves, but personally I have no problem with that.

He's a feminist alright, probably an intersectional feminist even.

As long as Kask isn't calling for the death/deplatforming/etc of anyone tho I would put him on yellow.

Quote from: HappyDaze on February 21, 2022, 02:35:17 PM
Do you think the companies go woke as deliberately calculated business decisions, or is it from personal decisions made by heads of companies that then seep into their companies?

As an Headhunter who works directly hiring people for multiple companies, i can say that all comes down to have someone on an high level of the company hierarchy. When someone who holds certain values are on top of a company then that person can impose those values on the others members. When you're on a leadership position you can change the company's DNA by switching the criteria of the selection of new members like put meritocracy aside for searching for someone who have the same world views as you. It's a slow but very effective method, you couldn't even recognize the company in like 5 ~ 10 years, just look at Marvel, DC and Disney... If you want some reference on this subject search for "Organizational Culture and Leadership" by Schein.

Based only on this quote from the bottom of page 5 of their game's PDF, would this company be on the Yellow list?

QuoteSince it is impossible to be correct grammatically and avoid a gender bias, <redacted> sacrifices grammar to avoid a bias. Throughout this book, pronouns such as 'they', 'their', and 'them' replace 'he' or 'she', and 'his' or 'hers', unless more appropriate.

Guess Who?

Not whom I would call expect to be called "Woke". it's The Game That Should Not Be Named.

Quote from: DM_Curt on February 22, 2022, 11:48:22 AM
Based only on this quote from the bottom of page 5 of their game's PDF, would this company be on the Yellow list?

QuoteSince it is impossible to be correct grammatically and avoid a gender bias, <redacted> sacrifices grammar to avoid a bias. Throughout this book, pronouns such as 'they', 'their', and 'them' replace 'he' or 'she', and 'his' or 'hers', unless more appropriate.

Guess Who?

Not whom I would call expect to be called "Woke". it's The Game That Should Not Be Named.

Yes...at Least Yellow...

Quote from: DM_Curt on February 22, 2022, 11:48:22 AM
Based only on this quote from the bottom of page 5 of their game's PDF, would this company be on the Yellow list?

QuoteSince it is impossible to be correct grammatically and avoid a gender bias, <redacted> sacrifices grammar to avoid a bias. Throughout this book, pronouns such as 'they', 'their', and 'them' replace 'he' or 'she', and 'his' or 'hers', unless more appropriate.

Guess Who?

Not whom I would call expect to be called "Woke". it's The Game That Should Not Be Named.

Maybe because the use of those pronouns wasn't a political statement back then?

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 16, 2022, 09:28:53 PM
Here's the thing, for this list, what I think should happen is that we do generate a slight bias in this form: little-known woke companies and projects should NOT be put on the red list, to avoid granting them free attention.
On the other hand, if there's a little-known anti-woke company, it SHOULD be put on the Green List, to promote it.

I agree with this in principle, but while I do believe that the notability standards for the green list should be lower than for the Red (and Yellow) list, I also believe that there should still be some standards. We can probably find dozens of anti-SJW designers on this very forum, but people probably want some basic guarantee of quality from the designers that we are, inevitably, promoting on this list. Not saying that people on this forum aren't good designers, but people who are not regulars of this forum will probably require some guarantee before they deem them credible. In my opinion, they should have at least one widely noted product in order to be featured on the green list.

Also, I would like to return to the idea that the list of "true" neutrals should be separated from the list of explicitly anti-SJW designers for the simple reason that having both of these types of designers on the same list opens the neutrals to attacks from SJWs with the accusations that they are "pandering to reactionaries" and puts them in the position where they either denounce us or they are thrown in the same pile as us even though they are not on either side of the argument.

Since we have established that, while it does have a slight anti-SJW bias, this list is a consumer guide for everyone regardless of their political leanings, I would once again suggest the idea that we separate the SJWs from the alt-right designers (the few of them that there are) because I imagine that alt-righters wouldn't be interested in buying games from SJWs and vice versa. Remember, we should strive to make this list as transparent and detailed as reasonably possible.

Anyway, apart from that, I still wish to recommend Ken St. Andre (Trollgodfather Press) for the green list: https://twitter.com/Trollgodfather/status/1015652554577928192
(He has since backtracked on these kinds of statements and has declared himself neutral in these kinds of debates, but still occasionally posts something against SJWs)

Quote from: DM_Curt on February 22, 2022, 11:48:22 AM
it's The Game That Should Not Be Named.

I don't know; given the populairty of LOTFP in OSR circles, can be really still throw shade at F.A.T.A.L. with integrity?

(I mean, probably. FATAL was naval-gazingly puerile, without the slightest hint of irony.)

I want to sincerely apologize to James Raggi for writing the above. I had forgotten just how bad FATAL is.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 22, 2022, 01:52:01 PM

Quote from: DM_Curt on February 22, 2022, 11:48:22 AM
Based only on this quote from the bottom of page 5 of their game's PDF, would this company be on the Yellow list?

QuoteSince it is impossible to be correct grammatically and avoid a gender bias, <redacted> sacrifices grammar to avoid a bias. Throughout this book, pronouns such as 'they', 'their', and 'them' replace 'he' or 'she', and 'his' or 'hers', unless more appropriate.

Guess Who?

Not whom I would call expect to be called "Woke". it's The Game That Should Not Be Named.

Maybe because the use of those pronouns wasn't a political statement back then?

True.

And since FATAL is pretty much dead, AFAIK, it shouldn't be anywhere on the list at all.
I just found it mildly amusing.

Just out of curiosity where would Herogames be on that list?

As I saw that Gencon was listed...what about Larp?

If youre tossing Larp on, Might I suggest Drachenfest US...their inclusivity statement is prominent on the main page...and when you start talking about "isms" I know youre a useless waste...

Heres the Link:

https://www.drachenfest.us/