Quote from: The Spaniard on January 16, 2022, 09:18:13 AM
Anything on Expeditious Retreat Press?  I've run a few of their adventures which I thought were great.  I don't see anything political from them, which is a good sign.

Yeah they seem solid. I'll add em in the next update

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on January 16, 2022, 07:39:27 AM

Quote from: Wrath of God on January 15, 2022, 10:25:10 PM

QuoteHow does being 'hostile' to Christians on their social media got to do with anything? Christianity/Islam and all other religions are pure bullshit.

But what has that got to do with RPGs, creators and the Red List?

That's like your opinion... man. And yet being openly hostile to conservative religions especially using the same social media you use for promoting your work, and selling RPGs is generally considered as woke behavior.

Designer being privately anticlerical, designer attacking religions using his business. Yeah, red list. As you noticed it's really eclectic.

But that's not what I said though, is it?

American Christians seem to get all butt hurt when someone criticizes their fictional religion (same as Islam). But what I want to know is, what has that actually got to do with gaming? And why would someone be put on a 'red list' because they criticize religion?

And incidentally, if you are following that 'rule', then why have you got several designers who openly mock religion in the green list? Hm..

For some reason, a few of you chaps seem on here seem to be conflating mocking religion with wokeness. And that doesn't really stack. So do you want free speech or not? Being 'woke' is about forcing their agenda down your throat and forcing you to comply. I don't remember anyone who laughs at religion doing the same.

If they mock Christianity, Judaism, and (especially) Islam along with everything else? They're not woke

If they ONLY mock Christianity, they're woke (and likely self-loathing upper middle class white losers with a laundry list of mental disorders and prescription pills they pop, specifically)

Mocking religion in general is also typically pretty cringe

-Signed,

An Atheist

Quote from: Gog to Magog on January 16, 2022, 10:35:44 AM

If they mock Christianity, Judaism, and (especially) Islam along with everything else? They're not woke

If they ONLY mock Christianity, they're woke (and likely self-loathing upper middle class white losers with a laundry list of mental disorders and prescription pills they pop, specifically)

Mocking religion in general is also typically pretty cringe

-Signed,

An Atheist

That's my point... As long as your criticizing everyone's silly fantasy, then that's fine. That's why I always add in Islam or Judaism (or any another shit you'd care to mention).

But I would highly object to being critical of only 'one' religion, and especially, Christianity, as it's seen as the main colonial religion by the woke scolds. If they only do that, without the rest, then they are woke as fuck (which is what you said, to be fair).

Now to say mocking religion is pretty cringe is exceedingly naive. Dawkins, Hitchens. And what about comedians such as Bill Hicks, Ricky Gervais or Billy Connolly? In the face of religious oppression. Charlie Hebdo?

Of course context is everything. For example I wouldn't come on here, and try to start a flame war about someone's religious beliefs. That's up to them. But if you bring it up, and start cry 'boo hoo I'm a victim' then you deserved to be questioned over it. Especially, considering we have good folks here, on the green list that constantly take the piss out of religion.

On your own blog, facebook or on a atheist/skeptic forum then it's open season.

Speaking of woke and religion. I do find it highly offensive to see artwork depicting female players wearing Hijab. Given the origins of such a device it only can represent women's oppression. Of course, the stupid woke scolds don't actually understand that, and only use it as a way of being 'inclusive'. How ironic...

My point is, that someone's religious views shouldn't put them on the red list just because of an 'ikkle butt hurt Christian (insert all other religions here). Unless they are doing it just to be woke then that's fair enough.

I don't know whoever the fuck Jack Dee is. But I fail to see what relevance his atheist blog should have to do with anything (unless he's been doing other woke shit as well)?

So what's the deal, are atheists to be put on the red list, now? And if so, are you going to apply that same standard to the other creator's on the green list?

signed - a religiophobic artist.

Quote from: Ocule on January 16, 2022, 09:12:26 AM
I'm going back over a few entries that don't have enough real evidence to support. Chaosium is one that needs a better description but can probably stay yellow

I'm looking at Jeff Dee it was people here who said that, but I'm looking through his blog and social media he hasn't really been active in a while and most of what I can find on Twitter is gaming related and his blog is generally doesn't touch politics. His atheist blog hasn't been updated  since 2011 and is your typical evangelical atheist

Check out Dee's Facebook page.  It's pretty up to date.  He's got stuff from Occupy Democrats, a lot of pro Democrat stuff (my favorite is an article saying Biden deserves credit not blame for Afghanistan), and a fair bit of "socialism isn't bad, and that's not REAL socialism anyway."

Edit:  He's also got a fair bit of conflating the right with white supremacy.  He may not meet the threshold for Woke, but it's pretty clear he despises some things that are part of my identity, so I'm not terribly interested in giving him my money.

Also just wanted to comment on the whole atheist thing, just being an atheist or talking about issues around atheists (i always found the idea of an atheist themed group a little strange, a bunch of people talking about how they don't believe in something?). My issues with some atheists are the same as issues with some christians, muslims and other religious types. I've also seen it among pagan and heathen groups, where people will become evangelical or fundamentalists. They share the same traits as they attempt to gain converts, and shame, belittle and harass people who don't buy what they're selling.

I used to go to school with a kid who would no shit hand out pamphlets or try to loan you Dawkins to convert you to Atheism. He would always have something to say if people were talking about religious topics even if he wasn't part of the conversation. Later I found out his father was a baptist pastor. Sure the teachings might change but people are the same. These days shitting on christianity has become a thing leftists like to do for social credit.

I'm not Christian or Atheist, but I have friends in both camps. Personally, I find the christians easier to get along with than militant atheists. As for shitting on conservatives... usually i reserve red for people constantly screeching about the "alt right" and calling everyone nazis. Simply being an actual liberal isn't something to be shunned. But wokescolds can fuck themselves with a cactus

Quote from: Ocule on January 16, 2022, 12:34:49 PM
usually i reserve red for people constantly screeching about the "alt right" and calling everyone nazis. Simply being an actual liberal isn't something to be shunned. But wokescolds can fuck themselves with a cactus

Well, I think we can all agree on that.

Incidentally, I personally don't care what heavenly banana anyone wishes to worship as long as they keep that shit out of my games, my life and stop trying to control how others think and behave. Actually, most of my mates are religious but they tend to be pretty open minded and not man-babies.

Just looked up Mr. Dees facebook page, hard to argue that he isn't a huge cunt. All your standard woke talking points, defending the pedo that rittenhouse shot, and still posts about trump every other day. Seems like he's a socialist and I wouldn't be surprised if he's holding back the true extent of radical beliefs. Yeah this guy goes well beyond just being a lefty.

Check it out for yourself. It's a shame he made some good art in the past. https://www.facebook.com/jeffdee01

QuoteBut that's not what I said though, is it?

American Christians seem to get all butt hurt when someone criticizes their fictional religion (same as Islam). But what I want to know is, what has that actually got to do with gaming? And why would someone be put on a 'red list' because they criticize religion?

Dunno any why would promoting using singular they would put anyone on red list? Either you mix personal ideologies with your work as designer, or you do not... right?
I mean if any SJW is put on redlist because of what say on his private channel, while keeping full pro-stance on his publisher channel would you defend him not being red?

So the question is what those guys up there did.

QuoteNow to say mocking religion is pretty cringe is exceedingly naive. Dawkins, Hitchens. And what about comedians such as Bill Hicks, Ricky Gervais or Billy Connolly? In the face of religious oppression. Charlie Hebdo?

All of them extremely cringe, that's true.

QuoteCheck out Dee's Facebook page.  It's pretty up to date.  He's got stuff from Occupy Democrats, a lot of pro Democrat stuff (my favorite is an article saying Biden deserves credit not blame for Afghanistan), and a fair bit of "socialism isn't bad, and that's not REAL socialism anyway."

Alas the question is - does he mix it with his publishing career.

Quote from: Wrath of God on January 16, 2022, 07:15:51 PM

QuoteCheck out Dee's Facebook page.  It's pretty up to date.  He's got stuff from Occupy Democrats, a lot of pro Democrat stuff (my favorite is an article saying Biden deserves credit not blame for Afghanistan), and a fair bit of "socialism isn't bad, and that's not REAL socialism anyway."

Alas the question is - does he mix it with his publishing career.

He needs to be canceled!  Cancelled I tell you!
And write an apology... and pay reparations!
And have his bank and internet provider cancel him!
And be fired from his job!
And be cancelled some more!
:-(


Oh wait.  Sorry I forgot for a moment I'm not a member of the woke cult.

Quote from: Wrath of God on January 16, 2022, 07:15:51 PM

Dunno any why would promoting using singular they would put anyone on red list? Either you mix personal ideologies with your work as designer, or you do not... right?

You mean like the two atheists that are already are on the green list - who mix their ideology with their games, and mock religion (a lot) - who are their own publishers as well?

DP

QuoteHe needs to be canceled!  Cancelled I tell you!
And write an apology... and pay reparations!
And have his bank and internet provider cancel him!
And be fired from his job!
And be cancelled some more!
:-(


Oh wait.  Sorry I forgot for a moment I'm not a member of the woke cult.

Or, are you?

QuoteYou mean like the two atheists that are already are on the green list - who mix their ideology with their games, and mock religion (a lot) - who are their own publishers as well?

By those you mean?

Quote from: Wrath of God on January 16, 2022, 07:39:21 PM
By those you mean?

Look at the green list...

Both of who I think are very talented by the way.

Quote from: Wrath of God on January 16, 2022, 07:39:21 PM

QuoteHe needs to be canceled!  Cancelled I tell you!
And write an apology... and pay reparations!
And have his bank and internet provider cancel him!
And be fired from his job!
And be cancelled some more!
:-(


Oh wait.  Sorry I forgot for a moment I'm not a member of the woke cult.

Or, are you?

QuoteYou mean like the two atheists that are already are on the green list - who mix their ideology with their games, and mock religion (a lot) - who are their own publishers as well?

By those you mean?

Please attribute who you are quoting.

Kay.

Rob, I don't know those artists really, so looking at Green List help me in no way