Quote from: Bedrockbrendan on December 27, 2021, 11:56:29 AM

Quote from: Ocule on December 27, 2021, 11:40:29 AM

Quote from: Bedrockbrendan on December 27, 2021, 10:21:04 AM
Just to give some info on the Osprey thing

I co-wrote Righteous Blood Ruthless Blades. All I can tell you is we didn't get any mandate on anything political at all. We were given freedom to make the game we wanted to make (and my impression from the other products I have seen is other designers they hired were also given this freedom).

Also Osprey's RPG division is different from its historical military series. The reason I went with Osprey when they contacted me about doing a book was because I was a fan of there books on armies, arms and armor (I remember they were considered accurate enough that my Byzantine History professor said even though they weren't official academic sources, he highly recommended them for supplemental learning during our course). As far as I know, those books are the same. The RPG line is more into RPG genres and concepts (the only other one I have read fully is Those Dark Places, which is kind of like Alien meets Outland).

So what's the deal with black female knights or monarchs, what appears to be a Templar wearing a turban and clean shaven (Templar's had to have facial hair and appear as Christ) or the disclaimer basically saying screw history rewrite it with modern ideals.

Blood ruthless blade doesn't seem to have the same philosophy. Like I get alternate history or historical fantasy but the whole point is to use earth seems to be to have a ready made world that takes into account things that wouldn't really be practical for a human mind to sit down and consider.

I haven't read those books so I am not familiar enough to weigh in on the content. I can just say based on my experience, I don't think any of the authors got a mandate from Osprey on the content in terms of politics.

The way it worked for me was they contacted me, then me and my co-writer presented out pitch of what we wanted to make and they green lit the project. They didn't interfere with any of our choices or tell us to avoid certain things (and I think you can see that in the content of the game we ended up making). I am assuming the process was similar for other designers. And again my sense was they wanted books that had a clear vision of what they wanted to do and gave folks the space to do that. Just comparing our book and Those Dark Places, while there are similarities in terms of production value, they are so different (in a way I think is good).

Hmm, I think I need to check out this game, even if only for fluff and maps and NPCs for my Castles & Crusades campaign, which has several Asian-analogue states.  I was intrigued by Wandering Heroes of Ogre Gate but it seemed just a bit too complicated.  I did like elements of Songling (Hell, I assigned his book for my college class), but we still haven't played it.  Now that we're sort of settled into C&C, I'm looking for things to port into that rather than learning a whole new system.  Simpler games are easier to crib from in my experience. 

Quote from: Rhymer88 on December 27, 2021, 04:54:03 AM

Quote from: The Spaniard on December 24, 2021, 12:15:58 PM
Oof... one of the guys in my regular online group wants to run this Coyote and Crow mess.  I didn't think anything of it until I read that gem of an opening.  Good grief, what a load of crap.

We are always told to "subvert the genre", so you should play a bounty hunter who captures escaped slaves for their sadistic Comanche masters.

Now that's an idea!

The Moonrat Conspiracy consisting of Jarrett Crader and Fiona Maeve Geist and others(?)
Jarrett Crader https://rpggeek.com/rpgdesigner/88774/jarrett-crader (Work on Dissident Whispers)
Fiona Maeve Geist https://dungeonsandpossums.com/2019/03/interview-fiona-maeve-geist-talks-dead/ https://rpggeek.com/rpgdesigner/111193/fiona-maeve-geist (RPGs against fascism)

Not sure if this is red or yellow. Both have contributed to a lot of things such as Troika!, Mork Borg, OSE, Mothership, and more.

Quote from: brango on December 27, 2021, 05:05:54 PM
The Moonrat Conspiracy consisting of Jarrett Crader and Fiona Maeve Geist and others(?)
Jarrett Crader https://rpggeek.com/rpgdesigner/88774/jarrett-crader (Work on Dissident Whispers)
Fiona Maeve Geist https://dungeonsandpossums.com/2019/03/interview-fiona-maeve-geist-talks-dead/ https://rpggeek.com/rpgdesigner/111193/fiona-maeve-geist (RPGs against fascism)

Not sure if this is red or yellow. Both have contributed to a lot of things such as Troika!, Mork Borg, OSE, Mothership, and more.

Included under Tuesday Knight Games as they are contributors to Mothership proper, and were actively promoted by TKG as official. Their work on OSE is saddening, but oh well. Troika is a weird case because, while the authors are horribly woke, the game has none of that in it (although the new legally distinct Harry Potter supplement might change that). Tbh not the biggest fan of Troika because a lot of the 3pp stuff is crap, and it's just a case of "lolsorandom" the game.

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on December 28, 2021, 11:27:46 AM

Quote from: brango on December 27, 2021, 05:05:54 PM
The Moonrat Conspiracy consisting of Jarrett Crader and Fiona Maeve Geist and others(?)
Jarrett Crader https://rpggeek.com/rpgdesigner/88774/jarrett-crader (Work on Dissident Whispers)
Fiona Maeve Geist https://dungeonsandpossums.com/2019/03/interview-fiona-maeve-geist-talks-dead/ https://rpggeek.com/rpgdesigner/111193/fiona-maeve-geist (RPGs against fascism)

Not sure if this is red or yellow. Both have contributed to a lot of things such as Troika!, Mork Borg, OSE, Mothership, and more.

Included under Tuesday Knight Games as they are contributors to Mothership proper, and were actively promoted by TKG as official. Their work on OSE is saddening, but oh well. Troika is a weird case because, while the authors are horribly woke, the game has none of that in it (although the new legally distinct Harry Potter supplement might change that). Tbh not the biggest fan of Troika because a lot of the 3pp stuff is crap, and it's just a case of "lolsorandom" the game.

To clarify about OSE, they (both of them) were the editors on Isle of the Plangent Mage and Halls of the Blood King, which are official OSE adventures. I don't believe they are associated with the core line of books. They may be involved with the other official adventures, but I only own those two.

Quote from: Persimmon on December 27, 2021, 01:20:01 PM

Quote from: Bedrockbrendan on December 27, 2021, 11:56:29 AM

Quote from: Ocule on December 27, 2021, 11:40:29 AM

Quote from: Bedrockbrendan on December 27, 2021, 10:21:04 AM
Just to give some info on the Osprey thing

I co-wrote Righteous Blood Ruthless Blades. All I can tell you is we didn't get any mandate on anything political at all. We were given freedom to make the game we wanted to make (and my impression from the other products I have seen is other designers they hired were also given this freedom).

Also Osprey's RPG division is different from its historical military series. The reason I went with Osprey when they contacted me about doing a book was because I was a fan of there books on armies, arms and armor (I remember they were considered accurate enough that my Byzantine History professor said even though they weren't official academic sources, he highly recommended them for supplemental learning during our course). As far as I know, those books are the same. The RPG line is more into RPG genres and concepts (the only other one I have read fully is Those Dark Places, which is kind of like Alien meets Outland).

So what's the deal with black female knights or monarchs, what appears to be a Templar wearing a turban and clean shaven (Templar's had to have facial hair and appear as Christ) or the disclaimer basically saying screw history rewrite it with modern ideals.

Blood ruthless blade doesn't seem to have the same philosophy. Like I get alternate history or historical fantasy but the whole point is to use earth seems to be to have a ready made world that takes into account things that wouldn't really be practical for a human mind to sit down and consider.

I haven't read those books so I am not familiar enough to weigh in on the content. I can just say based on my experience, I don't think any of the authors got a mandate from Osprey on the content in terms of politics.

The way it worked for me was they contacted me, then me and my co-writer presented out pitch of what we wanted to make and they green lit the project. They didn't interfere with any of our choices or tell us to avoid certain things (and I think you can see that in the content of the game we ended up making). I am assuming the process was similar for other designers. And again my sense was they wanted books that had a clear vision of what they wanted to do and gave folks the space to do that. Just comparing our book and Those Dark Places, while there are similarities in terms of production value, they are so different (in a way I think is good).

Hmm, I think I need to check out this game, even if only for fluff and maps and NPCs for my Castles & Crusades campaign, which has several Asian-analogue states.  I was intrigued by Wandering Heroes of Ogre Gate but it seemed just a bit too complicated.  I did like elements of Songling (Hell, I assigned his book for my college class), but we still haven't played it.  Now that we're sort of settled into C&C, I'm looking for things to port into that rather than learning a whole new system.  Simpler games are easier to crib from in my experience.

One thing to be aware of with RBRB is it much more of a timeless wuxia setting, so while it has maps they are more for a Gu Long style setting (where the precise time period may not be completely obvious or important). The vibe is a little more spaghetti western meets noir. If you need lots of NPCs, it is good for that, but again they are much more NPCs pulled from the wuxia genre than historical figures.

Quote from: brango on December 27, 2021, 05:05:54 PM
The Moonrat Conspiracy consisting of Jarrett Crader and Fiona Maeve Geist and others(?)
Jarrett Crader https://rpggeek.com/rpgdesigner/88774/jarrett-crader (Work on Dissident Whispers)
Fiona Maeve Geist https://dungeonsandpossums.com/2019/03/interview-fiona-maeve-geist-talks-dead/ https://rpggeek.com/rpgdesigner/111193/fiona-maeve-geist (RPGs against fascism)

Not sure if this is red or yellow. Both have contributed to a lot of things such as Troika!, Mork Borg, OSE, Mothership, and more.

I would put these under "Not significant enough to be on the list". The most significant thing Geist ever did in this hobby is threaten to murder me on G+

No one actually plays Geist's games

QuoteIt does if you're a dipshit liberal who thinks Arab = Mudslime.  An Arab Templar makes perfect sense so long he's Roman Catholic.

TBH from this picture I cannot say if guy is Arab. He may be Italian or Spanish. He had vague semi-realistic cartoon type Mediterrean-Orientalid type features.
His gear is ecclectic - but TBH this whole Arabic-cloak thing may be quite useful in deep sun.

But the bigger problem is - the sabre. Not because it's Arabic. Because it's hundreds years later development.

In time of Templar both crusaders and Muslim used... straight blades.

Obviously black female Templar... yeah that's bullshit.

Quote(Templar's had to have facial hair and appear as Christ)

That's also good nitpick.

Quote from: brango on December 27, 2021, 05:05:54 PM
The Moonrat Conspiracy consisting of Jarrett Crader and Fiona Maeve Geist and others(?)

Wooooooow... Moonrat was my G+ name back when I used to associate with Jarrett in the DCC RPG and Gongfarmer's Almanac groups. Dude straight stole my user name, lol.

Changes I'd suggest.
Name (Current Standing) - Summary - What I'd rate them.

Cubical 7 (Yellow) - has gone off the deep end and created gender neutral tech-priests, they/them major NPCs, and female space marine chapters for Wrath & Glory.  See "Magoss" from the beginners box, and compare the astartes race entries between 1e and 1.1e rewrite. - Red

Pinnacle Entertainment (Green) - Bent the knee much to my own disappointment, retconning "problematic" settings like Deadlands due to SJW complaints that "the civil war ending in a draw is triggering, the confederacy must lose!" Even though that removes the core of the settings existence. That said I wouldn't write them off as red as they simply say "Yes, we made this change" then refused to elaborate further.  While they may bend, they have not as of yet bowed.  Really hope they turn things around. - Yellow

Modiphius (Red) - Admittedly has woke product problems, though only in licensed goods; so I don't know what is them being political, and what is their arm being twisted, as their first party settings lack such politics despite being newer publications. I've found nothing woke in Mutant Chronicles 3e, however the Fallout RPG has a very cringe spread in the GMs section about trigger warnings, consent in games, X cards, and how if you don't use them you're a bad GM. - Yellow?  I'd make them Orange myself.

Mongoose Publishing (Green) completely retconned the PARANOIA universe, making Friend Computer incredibly progressive because fair treatment is oppression, so gay and trans characters are treated better but straight or normal characters are expendable.
All instances of "Communist" were replaced with "Terrorist" since calling communists the bad guys isn't acceptable. (appeasing the left)
Previously all forms of sexual activity were seen as against the computers will, going against the computer is treason, treason is punishable by death.
Now that punishment is written as "procreation implies the computers design is imperfect" and that homosexual relations are "misunderstood as enthusiastic wrestling.  Practicing fighting mutants is acceptable" (so instead of "sex is illegal" now it's "straight sex is illegal")
the release campaign has they/them and non-binary characters because friend computer believes in trans-rights I suppose.  Character sheets have a pronoun box. "Don't be an asshole"?  Yeah right... - Red

Quote from: TrueWOPR on January 01, 2022, 10:18:33 PM
Changes I'd suggest.
Name (Current Standing) - Summary - What I'd rate them.

Cubical 7 (Yellow) - has gone off the deep end and created gender neutral tech-priests, they/them major NPCs, and female space marine chapters for Wrath & Glory.  See "Magoss" from the beginners box, and compare the astartes race entries between 1e and 1.1e rewrite. - Red

Pinnacle Entertainment (Green) - Bent the knee much to my own disappointment, retconning "problematic" settings like Deadlands due to SJW complaints that "the civil war ending in a draw is triggering, the confederacy must lose!" Even though that removes the core of the settings existence. That said I wouldn't write them off as red as they simply say "Yes, we made this change" then refused to elaborate further.  While they may bend, they have not as of yet bowed.  Really hope they turn things around. - Yellow

Modiphius (Red) - Admittedly has woke product problems, though only in licensed goods; so I don't know what is them being political, and what is their arm being twisted, as their first party settings lack such politics despite being newer publications. I've found nothing woke in Mutant Chronicles 3e, however the Fallout RPG has a very cringe spread in the GMs section about trigger warnings, consent in games, X cards, and how if you don't use them you're a bad GM. - Yellow?  I'd make them Orange myself.

Mongoose Publishing (Green) completely retconned the PARANOIA universe, making Friend Computer incredibly progressive because fair treatment is oppression, so gay and trans characters are treated better but straight or normal characters are expendable.
All instances of "Communist" were replaced with "Terrorist" since calling communists the bad guys isn't acceptable. (appeasing the left)
Previously all forms of sexual activity were seen as against the computers will, going against the computer is treason, treason is punishable by death.
Now that punishment is written as "procreation implies the computers design is imperfect" and that homosexual relations are "misunderstood as enthusiastic wrestling.  Practicing fighting mutants is acceptable" (so instead of "sex is illegal" now it's "straight sex is illegal")
the release campaign has they/them and non-binary characters because friend computer believes in trans-rights I suppose.  Character sheets have a pronoun box. "Don't be an asshole"?  Yeah right... - Red

Jesus fucking Christ lol. Crazy how much shit comes up, can you add links or page numbers for any of this?

Particularly with wrath and glory with female space marines. That's enough heresy to go past red and set the light on fire. What's after red? Black? If there is anything by resembling a true blacklist it's for female space marines

My recommendation for what comes after red.

Quote from: Ocule on January 01, 2022, 10:25:34 PM
Jesus fucking Christ lol. Crazy how much shit comes up, can you add links or page numbers for any of this?

Particularly with wrath and glory with female space marines. That's enough heresy to go past red and set the light on fire. What's after red? Black? If there is anything by resembling a true blacklist it's for female space marines

I don't have my W&G corebooks on me anymore, but I distinctly remember the concept was more or less alluded to in the original print "canonically they don't exist because the astartes aren't even human anymore, they're heavily modified, however through mutation within the chapter it is possible in your game to have female space marine chapters, our would descend from the Blood Angels".

As for what I can reference-
W&G - Dark Tides, page 26 "Magos Carborast...[has no] age or gender, to the point where it truly considers itself an 'it.'"
Mongoose Paranoia (core/PHB), Page 15 "Gender and sexual preferences in alpha complex...Heterosexual sex is treasonous... the Computer has no official stance on homosexual activity"
Hard to page reference the fact that communist was completely redacted, but even Reddit talks about "huh, weird change", instances of "terrorist" can be found on pages 5, 9, 11, 20, 23, 24, 26, 27, 30, 35, 39, 42, 45, 49, 53, 54, 58, 63, 66, and multiple times on 67.
But you'll only find communist written once and that's part of the secret societies.

I will say all the games I referenced are games I loved or played myself at one point, edition, or another.
Every report I've listed hurts me.  Things like "Thirsty Sword Lesbians" I expect to be crap and avoid.  Everything I reference is personal disappointment of seeing things seep into the games I love.  Especially sad about Green Ronin, all my favorite high school RPGs came out of them.  Then everything after M&M3e was just cringey crap.  Though I will mention that I think Blue Rose was actually "the feminist rpg' rather than 'the gay rpg'.  As I believe it was literally made by pitching a women's only writing contest to create an RPG for women by women.  (and you know how they are with their slashfiction...)

Edit: I wanted to make this reply a bit more personal since I did literally JUST create this account for posting and kinda came flying in from nowhere.

Quote from: RPGPundit on December 28, 2021, 07:11:38 PM
I would put these under "Not significant enough to be on the list". The most significant thing Geist ever did in this hobby is threaten to murder me on G+

No one actually plays Geist's games

God damn. I remember a thread on raggi's g+ where that geist person accused you of supporting project europa I think it was called because you wrote a piece basically saying moldylocks got what she deserved for going out looking for trouble and attacking someone. You showed the receipts that their accusation was bullshit and they still wouldn't concede. Hell, I think they doubled down. So my question, If you truly are the final boss in internet shitlords, how many phases do you have and what is your ultimate attack/weakness?

I keep Friend Computer at a much earlier version of the OS.

They're ALWAYS going to be Commie Mutant Traitors.