[List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies

Dropbear · December 21, 2021, 03:28:43 PM

Quote from: Gagarth on December 21, 2021, 02:45:24 PM
QuoteA Message To nonNative American Players

QuoteIf you do not have heritage Indigenous to the Americas, we ask you not to incorporate any of your knowledge or ideas of real world Native Americans into the game

QuotePlease avoid the following:
• Assigning your Character the heritage of a real world tribe or First Nation.
• Assigning your Character a TwoSpirit identity.
• Using any words taken from Indigenous languages that aren't used as proper nouns in the game materials or listed as being part of Chahi (see below

QuoteIn our world, the monarchies of Europe pushed westward through the 15th century, determined to find faster routes to India, China, and other valuable trading partners. Instead they crashed headlong into something far more valueable – land and resources that they could exploit. Along the way they devastated entire Native populations through murder, slavery, exploitation, and the spread of disease

Coyote & Crow Core rulebook - LLC Coyote & Crow, LLC

I am amused that the writer whitewashes the fact that Natives were doing just fine instituting the devastation, murder, enslavement, and exploitation of entire Native populations all on their own well before the monarchies of Europe even set foot in the Western Hemisphere.

Ghostmaker · December 21, 2021, 03:32:05 PM

Quote from: Dropbear on December 21, 2021, 03:28:43 PM
Quote from: Gagarth on December 21, 2021, 02:45:24 PM
QuoteA Message To nonNative American Players

QuoteIf you do not have heritage Indigenous to the Americas, we ask you not to incorporate any of your knowledge or ideas of real world Native Americans into the game

QuotePlease avoid the following:
• Assigning your Character the heritage of a real world tribe or First Nation.
• Assigning your Character a TwoSpirit identity.
• Using any words taken from Indigenous languages that aren't used as proper nouns in the game materials or listed as being part of Chahi (see below

QuoteIn our world, the monarchies of Europe pushed westward through the 15th century, determined to find faster routes to India, China, and other valuable trading partners. Instead they crashed headlong into something far more valueable – land and resources that they could exploit. Along the way they devastated entire Native populations through murder, slavery, exploitation, and the spread of disease

Coyote & Crow Core rulebook - LLC Coyote & Crow, LLC

I am amused by the fact that the writer whitewashes the fact that Natives were doing just fine instituting the devastation, murder, slavery, and exploitation of entire Native populations all on their own well before the monarchies of Europe even set foot in the Western Hemisphere.

They are completely in love with the idea of First Nations/Native Americans being happy peaceful tribes before the Evil White Man came and Stole Their Innocence.

Good God. I admit the native tribes got the short end of the stick from the government back in the day, but the historical revisionism has reached levels of inanity and absurdity normally only seen in bad fanfics.

RPGPundit · December 21, 2021, 04:56:43 PM

Coyote & Crow is basically a one-shot moneymaking scheme. It's not a company likely to make more work. It's an RPG almost no one will ever play, created by and for virtue signallers for the purpose of virtue signalling, not gaming.

So it's pretty much irrelevant.

On the other hand, Chaosium - a company that made a lot of its reputation on the historical accuracy of their settings and adventures - saying "it's cool to just rewrite history" is pathetic and disappointing, though not unexpected, as rewriting history is what Foucaultian neo-marxists believe in more than anything. Basically just making history up on the spot to suit whatever they want to impose in the present.

rytrasmi · December 21, 2021, 04:59:53 PM

I think a lot of people don't realize how devastating the wave upon wave of disease was. Yes, European settlers screwed over the natives just like the natives screwed over each other. However, without disease, the outcome would have been vastly different. It was like cheat mode for the Europeans and nobody at the time knew.

soundchaser · December 21, 2021, 06:19:36 PM

John Wick's IP stuff is under Chaosium now. What do have on Wick's position about the PC crap, if anything?

I mean, I'll be collecting 7th Sea first edition stuff in 2022, but not buying from the (Yellow flag) Chaosium for now.

Just checking as I haven't seen.

Dropbear · December 21, 2021, 07:08:58 PM

Quote from: soundchaser on December 21, 2021, 06:19:36 PM
John Wick's IP stuff is under Chaosium now. What do have on Wick's position about the PC crap, if anything?

I mean, I'll be collecting 7th Sea first edition stuff in 2022, but not buying from the (Yellow flag) Chaosium for now.

Just checking as I haven't seen.

The original 7th Sea wasn't nearly the storygame horror that 2E is. I don't really care about two guys kissing in the art, but the game design is... well, honestly, it just isn't there.

soundchaser · December 21, 2021, 07:39:35 PM

Quote from: Dropbear on December 21, 2021, 07:08:58 PM
Quote from: soundchaser on December 21, 2021, 06:19:36 PM
John Wick's IP stuff is under Chaosium now. What do have on Wick's position about the PC crap, if anything?

I mean, I'll be collecting 7th Sea first edition stuff in 2022, but not buying from the (Yellow flag) Chaosium for now.

Just checking as I haven't seen.

The original 7th Sea wasn't nearly the storygame horror that 2E is. I don't really care about two guys kissing in the art, but the game design is... well, honestly, it just isn't there.

Yes we bounced off 2e. That is why I am getting 1st Ed. Stuff.

Ocule · December 21, 2021, 09:30:58 PM

Quote from: rytrasmi on December 21, 2021, 02:46:59 PM
Quote from: Gagarth on December 21, 2021, 02:30:52 PM
QuoteThe game is fictional and you may rewrite history to include women and people of color to make your table a more inclusive and welcoming place for all.

Inclusivity matters. Offer a diverse cast of investigators and non-player characters (NPCs) that are BIPOC, LGBTQ+, varying sexual identities, disabled, and more!

Are you struggling or afraid of creating diverse characters? Here's a simple trick. Create a good character and then decide their gender, race, orientation, their disability after the fact. Stop typecasting marginalized persons as villains. Stop stereotyping marginalized people. It's a tired cliché and you're better than that

Stop typecasting marginalized persons as villains. Stop stereotyping marginalized people. It's a tired cliché and you're better than that.

Keeper Tips - Call of Cthulhu 40th Anniversary - Nu-Chaosium.
Wow. What a preachy load of garbage. "You're all guilty and only we can forgive."

All the coyote and crow verbal diarrhea was everything i expected from such a such a blatant cash grab but chaosium jesus fucking christ on a cracker hot dog christmas batman what the hell did i just read. Who the hell wrote that and how do they have a job? If anyone from chaosium is reading this they should tell whoever wrote that not to let the door hit you on the ass on the way out and then send the editor who approved it packing with them.

Ruprecht · December 21, 2021, 10:07:37 PM

"Stop typecasting marginalized persons as villains. Stop stereotyping marginalized people. It's a tired cliché and you're better than that."

Does Chaosium really think so little of their customers, they are basically calling them racist.

1989 · December 21, 2021, 10:32:04 PM

Bloody hell. 40th Anniversary Critical Race Theory Edition.

"Dear customer, please try to be less white. We know you can do it!"

Do not support Chaosium by buying or playing their games.

Die, you woke faggots.

Pat · December 21, 2021, 10:55:53 PM

Quote from: Ruprecht on December 21, 2021, 10:07:37 PM
"Stop typecasting marginalized persons as villains. Stop stereotyping marginalized people. It's a tired cliché and you're better than that."

Does Chaosium really think so little of their customers, they are basically calling them racist.

If you think about it, what they're really doing is trying to appeal to their customers who think all their other customers are racists. You're supposed to read that and think "well, it's about time someone said something to those people." You're not supposed to identify with those people.

erc1971 · December 22, 2021, 01:29:50 AM

Can anyone provide any specifics on woke things that Modiphius supposedly has done? The things on the list are pretty vague and while the ICRPG has my interest, I don't want to give money to a woke company.

Thanks,
Eric

erc1971 · December 22, 2021, 01:32:43 AM

Quote from: rytrasmi on December 21, 2021, 02:46:59 PM
Quote from: Gagarth on December 21, 2021, 02:30:52 PM
QuoteThe game is fictional and you may rewrite history to include women and people of color to make your table a more inclusive and welcoming place for all.

Inclusivity matters. Offer a diverse cast of investigators and non-player characters (NPCs) that are BIPOC, LGBTQ+, varying sexual identities, disabled, and more!

Are you struggling or afraid of creating diverse characters? Here's a simple trick. Create a good character and then decide their gender, race, orientation, their disability after the fact. Stop typecasting marginalized persons as villains. Stop stereotyping marginalized people. It's a tired cliché and you're better than that

Stop typecasting marginalized persons as villains. Stop stereotyping marginalized people. It's a tired cliché and you're better than that.

Keeper Tips - Call of Cthulhu 40th Anniversary - Nu-Chaosium.
Wow. What a preachy load of garbage. "You're all guilty and only we can forgive."

Wasn't Chasoium yellow? After this they should be solidly in the red!

Eric

S'mon · December 22, 2021, 01:42:12 AM

Chaosium should be Red. Modiphius seems like a typical Yellow to me, from what I've seen. I've not read their Conan stuff.

Persimmon · December 22, 2021, 03:19:50 AM

Modiphius altered some of the Conan material to cater to "modern sensiblities." They altered one of the books (the Africa-based one) so much that the original writer quit. It's my understanding that they did the same with the Khitai (Asia) book, but I stopped paying attention at that point. I do know from personal experience that one of their board moderators pushed back against some of the ridiculous wokeness going on there, defending me and re-posting something fairly innocuous and historical material I posted there which had been flagged and deleted by someone else, but that guy unfortunately passed away.