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Quote from: Tubesock Army on November 11, 2021, 01:20:26 PM
As far as Atlas Games goes, the 3rd edition of Over the Edge listed as part of their "alternate reality":

QuoteTrump won the 2016 election in the US, leading to actual, no-shit Nazis marching through the streets of America. His victory has also emboldened retrograde politics around the world.

They probably should be "red", and they'd probably prefer to.

   Over the Edge goes beyond red and into black for me personally, ever since Tweet used its appearance on the Bundle of Holding to fundraise for Planned Parenthood.

Ocule, have you been following the thread about "DCCRPG going woke"?

Because I think that unless Goodman Games cares to explain this, part of their incredibly politicized policy for their Con, they need to go straight onto the Red List:

QuoteDungeon Con Online prioritizes marginalized people's safety over privileged people's comfort.
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints of 'reverse' -isms, including
'reverse racism,' 'reverse sexism,' and 'cisphobia'.
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints against the reasonable
communication of boundaries, such as "leave me alone," "go away," or "I'm not discussing this
with you."
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints of someone communicating in
a 'tone' you don't find congenial.
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints against criticisms of racist,
sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions.

I just left the Goodman Games discord and wish I had not backed their Kickstarter for Dying Earth. Might take my Lankhmar box to the half price book store.

MCC I may hang onto for a bit but no, I'll probably go back to Mutant Future and get rid of my Crawling Under a Broken moon /Umerica stuff as well. "reverse isms" is how someone wants to be an asshole but not have anyone be an asshole back. To hell with that. Gonna throw Starcrawl out too.

TBH if you already have materials from Woke, or you found some in suspicious wooden box on beach covered with tarnished Jolly Roger - just play possibly most unwoke game you can and stream it.

Take iHunt and turn it into QHunt, when you play Kentucky hillbillies hunting monsters disguised as progressive elites, take Sigmata and make it about Southern Baptists empowered by divine energy to fight Woke Dem Soft Totalitarism, take Conan and use word savage frequently, take Vampire 5e and... oh wait Arch already done it, so take Mage 20 and play Traditions as religious zealots, and turn Nephandi from populist conservatists to woke technocrates 2.0., take Fat Self Care and die to heart failure, take Monsterhearts and... wait... I don't know... do not play Monsterhearts I guess, take Coyote and Crew and play magical Europeans sailing to magical America in 2492 and doing same shit as in real world, play Invisible College as Spanish Inquisition hunting liberals.

Cool stuff.

Quote from: RPGPundit on November 13, 2021, 03:48:19 PM
Because I think that unless Goodman Games cares to explain this, part of their incredibly politicized policy for their Con, they need to go straight onto the Red List:

QuoteDungeon Con Online prioritizes marginalized people's safety over privileged people's comfort.
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints of 'reverse' -isms, including
'reverse racism,' 'reverse sexism,' and 'cisphobia'.
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints against the reasonable
communication of boundaries, such as "leave me alone," "go away," or "I'm not discussing this
with you."
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints of someone communicating in
a 'tone' you don't find congenial.
Dungeon Con Online reserves the right not to act on complaints against criticisms of racist,
sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions.

I agree. Using singular "they" in future products is no big deal; going back to change all their old products (and thus make all the physical copies people have paid for over the years obsolete) is obnoxious, but probably no worse than yellow.

But openly endorsing and defending harassment and bigotry provided it is ideologically correct harassment and bigotry is despicable. I didn't want to believe that Joseph Goodman is an evil man, but he is one if he doesn't repudiate this. And a dishonest one, too, if he continues to market DCC and his other products as classic games for everyone, without making it clear up front that anyone who dissents in any way from the latest progressive dogma can expect to be treated as a pariah by his company. At least Evil Hat et al. are upfront about despising anyone who disagrees with them; they don't hide their hatred in an obscure con rules document.

GoodmanGames going WOKE!?

Ewww....
Sad, really...
Bird in hand, people?

What I'd do if they move RED is not buy any more products of theirs.  Also my current project I'm referring to Jack Vance but have a disclaimer of anyone wanting an authentic experience go to ----  Well I'll just refer to the old one made a decade past that could be bought via Drivethru if one felt guilty looking on a trove.  Sick really, LOVE "Sailors on the Starless Sea" which has you pick a number of ZERO level characters and some might survive and gain a level - that is NOT "Snowflake" friendly RPG so what gives?

Furthermore, as mentioned upthread, we can play our own games as ANTI-Woke as we want and post about it.  Not that you need it but one of my side projects (FREE, check profile) is "Not F.A.T.A.L. but Serious" with upcoming "Revealed Vulgaria" 2nd work - full of nasty suggestions designed to make the woke trying to wreck TTRPGs heads go explodey.

It shouldn't be RED to be "Leftist", "Liberal" etc.  What should be is cucking to censorship and Political Correctness.  Letting a tiny group of whiners get you to spit in your core customer base's eye even if they don't buy anything.  Real Gamers (even if born later) are "Veterans of the Psychic Wars" of the Satanic Panic 80s and we do NOT bend the knee to censorship.

What of Tekumel Foundation, the legacy publishers for MAR Barker. I don't sniff any political junk from them, but I am not following, looking for social network presence, etc. Anyone know?

The one mark I'd think of is that the Foundation authorized Dee's rules set for the setting, Behorm.

Setting weirdness aside, unsure about Barker's politics other than his devout Muslim-mode (which I never detected as anti-American, etc.)

Due to the recent Interface RED release from R. Talsorian Games, I would be inclined to make them Yellow leaning more and more red (ironically). Most recent release essentially includes the Cyberpunk version of the infamous combat wheelchair and caves a bit to the woke.

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on November 17, 2021, 12:27:06 PM
includes the Cyberpunk version of the infamous combat wheelchair and caves a bit to the woke.

Really!?? Of all the genres to put a combat wheelchair in. Yeah, I'd much prefer to play a cripple as opposed to having my legs repaired and cybernetically superior. LOL Dumb fux!

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on November 17, 2021, 12:57:51 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on November 17, 2021, 12:27:06 PM
includes the Cyberpunk version of the infamous combat wheelchair and caves a bit to the woke.

Really!?? Of all the genres to put a combat wheelchair in. Yeah, I'd much prefer to play a cripple as opposed to having my legs repaired and cybernetically superior. LOL Dumb fux!

Pretty much my reaction too, it's moot to have it when you can have robo legs to begin with...

Hi, new to the group and love this thread and group. Old school gamer, began playing RPGs with 1st ed Gamma World, quickly moved on to Basic and Expert Dungeons and Dragons.  Most of my gaming is old school stuff, the most recent RPG I've got in my library is World of Darkness (90s). Which brings me to my point. I'm on page 90 of this and I saw Onyx Path is down in Red. That may have been changed, haven't gotten there yet. But as a customer of theirs, I have to disagree.

IMO, their products still contain the spirit of White Wolf of old, clearly "progressive" in general leanings, but not lunatic Left, and having the broad and layered view of the world that made their games so great and inspiring. Some of the fanbase is looney Left, and some of the original creators have lost their moorings, but there is a huge portion of conservatives as well as rpgers who love the world and don't have time for the culture war nonsense, ie, true diversity, which is what classic WoD is, hence the fanbase.  Some of the proggies are horrified at the large contingent of deplorables in their midst and too bad for them, we aren't going anywhere.

Now, the current outfits who call themselves "White Wolf", or use that brand name and have put out 5th ed? Completely different story and utterly avoidable.

QuoteReally!?? Of all the genres to put a combat wheelchair in. Yeah, I'd much prefer to play a cripple as opposed to having my legs repaired and cybernetically superior. LOL Dumb fux!

TBH I can easily invent many reasons why cyber-legs are at least temporarily unavaliable.

Quote from: Wrath of God on November 17, 2021, 05:20:54 PM

QuoteReally!?? Of all the genres to put a combat wheelchair in. Yeah, I'd much prefer to play a cripple as opposed to having my legs repaired and cybernetically superior. LOL Dumb fux!

TBH I can easily invent many reasons why cyber-legs are at least temporarily unavaliable.

From the DriveThru description:

QuoteCyberchairs: New options for mobility. Who needs two cyberlegs when you can ride around on a stylish mobile platform

Sounds to me like they mean it as a permanent thing, not as something that is only temporary.