Quote from: SHARK on November 02, 2021, 06:49:33 PM
Greetings!

Mothership has a fairly well-established fan-base. From what I know, the company that publishes Mothership has been around for  bit, and is a larger operation than Venger Satanis.

I'm not surprised that the Mothership Kickstarter has been wildly successful.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

More importantly, the people who write Mothership were extremely careful NOT to put any sign of their politics in the Kickstarter. Read the whole kickstarter; it has lots of cool looking art, they talk about how long they claim they've been playing RPGs, they put a picture of a D&D box set and a Traveller Box set to make it look like those are favorite games of theirs. There isn't one single mention of their very left wing politics, identity politics, nothing mentioned at all about any leftist themes. The impression is done on purpose to make regular gamers think this is a regular RPG being made for regular gamers.

It's a totally different tactic from the type of things the more Virtue Signaling SJW companies do, it's much more cowardly, it's intentionally DECIEVING potential customers making them think they're buying one type of product when what they'll actually get is a different kind, and its EXACTLY THE REASON for why we need this consumer warning guide.

Anyone who looks at games like Swordsfall or Thirsty Sword Lesbians will immediately realize that those games are ultra-politicized. But the Mothership people LIE TO YOU to make you think it's not.

And that's why tubesock is here. It's freaked out that the deceptive tactics are being exposed.

Quote from: RPGPundit on November 04, 2021, 08:36:54 PM

Quote from: SHARK on November 02, 2021, 06:49:33 PM
Greetings!

Mothership has a fairly well-established fan-base. From what I know, the company that publishes Mothership has been around for  bit, and is a larger operation than Venger Satanis.

I'm not surprised that the Mothership Kickstarter has been wildly successful.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

More importantly, the people who write Mothership were extremely careful NOT to put any sign of their politics in the Kickstarter. Read the whole kickstarter; it has lots of cool looking art, they talk about how long they claim they've been playing RPGs, they put a picture of a D&D box set and a Traveller Box set to make it look like those are favorite games of theirs. There isn't one single mention of their very left wing politics, identity politics, nothing mentioned at all about any leftist themes. The impression is done on purpose to make regular gamers think this is a regular RPG being made for regular gamers.

It's a totally different tactic from the type of things the more Virtue Signaling SJW companies do, it's much more cowardly, it's intentionally DECIEVING potential customers making them think they're buying one type of product when what they'll actually get is a different kind, and its EXACTLY THE REASON for why we need this consumer warning guide.

Anyone who looks at games like Swordsfall or Thirsty Sword Lesbians will immediately realize that those games are ultra-politicized. But the Mothership people LIE TO YOU to make you think it's not.

And that's why tubesock is here. It's freaked out that the deceptive tactics are being exposed.

Sure, pal. I'm worried that the kickstarter currently sailing past 700k with 27 days to go is going to be derailed by this ineffectual and laughable list.You know, the list that nobody outside of this forum is still talking about?

Keep tilting at that windmill, buddy.

Edit: Also, TKG did a benefit for BLM, I don't think they're exactly trying to fool anyone about who they are, and what they believe.

Quote from: RPGPundit on November 04, 2021, 08:36:54 PM

Quote from: SHARK on November 02, 2021, 06:49:33 PM
Greetings!

Mothership has a fairly well-established fan-base. From what I know, the company that publishes Mothership has been around for  bit, and is a larger operation than Venger Satanis.

I'm not surprised that the Mothership Kickstarter has been wildly successful.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

More importantly, the people who write Mothership were extremely careful NOT to put any sign of their politics in the Kickstarter. Read the whole kickstarter; it has lots of cool looking art, they talk about how long they claim they've been playing RPGs, they put a picture of a D&D box set and a Traveller Box set to make it look like those are favorite games of theirs. There isn't one single mention of their very left wing politics, identity politics, nothing mentioned at all about any leftist themes. The impression is done on purpose to make regular gamers think this is a regular RPG being made for regular gamers.

It's a totally different tactic from the type of things the more Virtue Signaling SJW companies do, it's much more cowardly, it's intentionally DECIEVING potential customers making them think they're buying one type of product when what they'll actually get is a different kind, and its EXACTLY THE REASON for why we need this consumer warning guide.

Anyone who looks at games like Swordsfall or Thirsty Sword Lesbians will immediately realize that those games are ultra-politicized. But the Mothership people LIE TO YOU to make you think it's not.

And that's why tubesock is here. It's freaked out that the deceptive tactics are being exposed.

Another thing, why is it bad that the Mothership guys didn't put politics into their kickstarter? If you agreed with their views, that alone would put them on the "Green" list. I mean, do you include a link to your blog in your products? Because I'll bet you don't. Why are TKG "hiding" something, but you're not? Or Autarch isn't?

To somehow imply that the MASSIVE success of this Kickstarter is all down to gullible rubes who have no idea what the people behind the game believe is some big "sour grapes" energy.

Quote from: Tubesock Army on November 04, 2021, 09:47:11 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on November 04, 2021, 08:36:54 PM

Quote from: SHARK on November 02, 2021, 06:49:33 PM
Greetings!

Mothership has a fairly well-established fan-base. From what I know, the company that publishes Mothership has been around for  bit, and is a larger operation than Venger Satanis.

I'm not surprised that the Mothership Kickstarter has been wildly successful.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

More importantly, the people who write Mothership were extremely careful NOT to put any sign of their politics in the Kickstarter. Read the whole kickstarter; it has lots of cool looking art, they talk about how long they claim they've been playing RPGs, they put a picture of a D&D box set and a Traveller Box set to make it look like those are favorite games of theirs. There isn't one single mention of their very left wing politics, identity politics, nothing mentioned at all about any leftist themes. The impression is done on purpose to make regular gamers think this is a regular RPG being made for regular gamers.

It's a totally different tactic from the type of things the more Virtue Signaling SJW companies do, it's much more cowardly, it's intentionally DECIEVING potential customers making them think they're buying one type of product when what they'll actually get is a different kind, and its EXACTLY THE REASON for why we need this consumer warning guide.

Anyone who looks at games like Swordsfall or Thirsty Sword Lesbians will immediately realize that those games are ultra-politicized. But the Mothership people LIE TO YOU to make you think it's not.

And that's why tubesock is here. It's freaked out that the deceptive tactics are being exposed.

Sure, pal. I'm worried that the kickstarter currently sailing past 700k with 27 days to go is going to be derailed by this ineffectual and laughable list.You know, the list that nobody outside of this forum is still talking about?

Keep tilting at that windmill, buddy.

Edit: Also, TKG did a benefit for BLM, I don't think they're exactly trying to fool anyone about who they are, and what they believe.

Greetings!

Yes, that's right. Seeing that BLM openly stated that they were a MARXIST organization, it is certainly very good to know where TKG stands.

Knowing that TKG supports a MARXIST organization, well, them choking on napalm would be a sweet and appropriate vision. I will never give them a *nickel*, and I will make sure to tell every gamer I know not to support or patronize a filthy, MARXIST supporting company like TKG.

I hope TKG finds a way to go fucking broke. Every one of them should be wallowing in the fucking gutter.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Mothership looks great. A simple D100 roll-under chassis, with some really cool ideas bolted on. I love the flowchart style.

But the more I look at it, I think "You could do this with OSR." The special sauce is the Stress Die, but there's plenty of OGL sanity mechanics out there. 

Quote from: SHARK on November 04, 2021, 10:29:24 PM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on November 04, 2021, 09:47:11 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on November 04, 2021, 08:36:54 PM

Quote from: SHARK on November 02, 2021, 06:49:33 PM
Greetings!

Mothership has a fairly well-established fan-base. From what I know, the company that publishes Mothership has been around for  bit, and is a larger operation than Venger Satanis.

I'm not surprised that the Mothership Kickstarter has been wildly successful.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

More importantly, the people who write Mothership were extremely careful NOT to put any sign of their politics in the Kickstarter. Read the whole kickstarter; it has lots of cool looking art, they talk about how long they claim they've been playing RPGs, they put a picture of a D&D box set and a Traveller Box set to make it look like those are favorite games of theirs. There isn't one single mention of their very left wing politics, identity politics, nothing mentioned at all about any leftist themes. The impression is done on purpose to make regular gamers think this is a regular RPG being made for regular gamers.

It's a totally different tactic from the type of things the more Virtue Signaling SJW companies do, it's much more cowardly, it's intentionally DECIEVING potential customers making them think they're buying one type of product when what they'll actually get is a different kind, and its EXACTLY THE REASON for why we need this consumer warning guide.

Anyone who looks at games like Swordsfall or Thirsty Sword Lesbians will immediately realize that those games are ultra-politicized. But the Mothership people LIE TO YOU to make you think it's not.

And that's why tubesock is here. It's freaked out that the deceptive tactics are being exposed.

Sure, pal. I'm worried that the kickstarter currently sailing past 700k with 27 days to go is going to be derailed by this ineffectual and laughable list.You know, the list that nobody outside of this forum is still talking about?

Keep tilting at that windmill, buddy.

Edit: Also, TKG did a benefit for BLM, I don't think they're exactly trying to fool anyone about who they are, and what they believe.

Greetings!

Yes, that's right. Seeing that BLM openly stated that they were a MARXIST organization, it is certainly very good to know where TKG stands.

Knowing that TKG supports a MARXIST organization, well, them choking on napalm would be a sweet and appropriate vision. I will never give them a *nickel*, and I will make sure to tell every gamer I know not to support or patronize a filthy, MARXIST supporting company like TKG.

I hope TKG finds a way to go fucking broke. Every one of them should be wallowing in the fucking gutter.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Top kek

Quote from: Tubesock Army on November 04, 2021, 10:26:42 PM

Another thing, why is it bad that the Mothership guys didn't put politics into their kickstarter?

(a) If the Kickstarter is presenting as apolitical but the game itself is political, that's deceptive and bad.
(b) If neither is political then it's good. Like Pundit's own stuff.

Pundit is saying this is a case of (a). I have no idea if he's right or wrong.

Quote from: S'mon on November 05, 2021, 03:49:23 AM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on November 04, 2021, 10:26:42 PM

Another thing, why is it bad that the Mothership guys didn't put politics into their kickstarter?

(a) If the Kickstarter is presenting as apolitical but the game itself is political, that's deceptive and bad.
(b) If neither is political then it's good. Like Pundit's own stuff.

Pundit is saying this is a case of (a). I have no idea if he's right or wrong.

I've played a mini-campaign of Mothership and it was OK (@). Politics in the scenario we played was the same as the film Alien - not surprisingly given the obvious sources for the game.  i.e. Some megacorporation cares nothing for the grunts on the ground compared to its profits. That's political if you want it to be - or just regular gaming trope cynical.  I noticed no modern identity politics or the like in the stuff that I saw.

I think it's a (b).

(@) The Ok was because the rules seemed well set up for fighting, fixing things, combat and madness. We played a scenario that was a lot about interacting with crew, colonist and company factions but IIRC there's no skills like persuade/debate/intimidate which wasn't helpful-  but quite OSR (?).

I don't pretend to know what they are trying to hide or not hide. They very publicly autofelated themselves for being late on a kickstarter, which they paused production on so they could publish their bail fund book.

If you look closer at the Mothership kickstarter, they do not seem to be hiding anything to me, for example, the character sheet is a stock standard example of virtual signaling.

Ultimately, supporting bail funds and releasing rioters and looters back into the streets and falling down on their commitments to accomplish it, is enough for me to stay away.

The game is fun, and I do not regret the time I spent playing it. I think you can create the same vibe, for less money, with classic Traveller and something like Cthulhu Dark's panic mechanic.

Quote from: Tubesock Army on November 04, 2021, 10:26:42 PMTo somehow imply that the MASSIVE success of this Kickstarter is all down to gullible rubes who have no idea what the people behind the game believe is some big "sour grapes" energy.

It's only a "massive" success due to the pathetic standards of RPG sales. That's eight thousand sales from the millions of RPG players worldwide. My small business, which was so small that no one here would have ever heard about it, took in that much revenue each year for over 10 years (before I sold it). And this was a business with just me and three other employees.

Quote from: Aglondir on November 04, 2021, 10:33:02 PM
Mothership looks great. A simple D100 roll-under chassis, with some really cool ideas bolted on. I love the flowchart style.

But the more I look at it, I think "You could do this with OSR." The special sauce is the Stress Die, but there's plenty of OGL sanity mechanics out there.

Yeah, the Stress Die was the one good thing about Mothership although I think the similar panic die from the Alien RPG is a better implementation. The rest of the game was pretty clunky, for example, they used Advantage and Disadvantage but also used die roll modifiers.

I'm glad that they redid the art. The art from the original book was terrible.

Isn't the best way to fight Marxists to give them money?  If they're dealt in to the benefits of capitalism, they won't have the same incentive to tear down the system to be 100% redistributive. 

Quote from: deadDMwalking on November 05, 2021, 01:05:18 PM
Isn't the best way to fight Marxists to give them money?  If they're dealt in to the benefits of capitalism, they won't have the same incentive to tear down the system to be 100% redistributive.

Doesn't work like that, you need to find out about Chunky Yogurt's nephew. (Cenk Uhygurt)

Quote from: deadDMwalking on November 05, 2021, 01:05:18 PM
Isn't the best way to fight Marxists to give them money?  If they're dealt in to the benefits of capitalism, they won't have the same incentive to tear down the system to be 100% redistributive.

It seems comics these days are just SJW porn.