Quote from: CD on October 31, 2021, 06:40:13 PM
This maybe of some interest to those that follow this thread.

We Really Are In Oz - Woke Companies Are Here To Stay -
https://youtu.be/UMiwf-y5aas

Investing in Woke companies is kinda like invading Afghanistan.

It works until someone gets tired of losing money.

Also I bet you that someone has made a list of ESG Funds and somewhere there is a forum with people bragging about getting red listed.

No doubt, I don't pay attention to many areas of the internet. I just wanted to condense down what people were talking about in a podcast, for others who do not follow everything said on the internet(well try to), it should catch their interest.
I think the money coming from the ESG funds will hold up fine and the market may eventually turn around for them, even if they have to change, it may not be what most of us would want, it maybe no different than being woke like it is now.
There are links and I also talk about operation choke point, something the Biden admin wants to restart.

Quote from: Shasarak on October 31, 2021, 06:58:01 PM
I read that as rainbow hippies for a second.

Rainbow hippies evolve into rainbow hippos in times of plenty when they have no natural enemies.

Quote from: Pat on October 31, 2021, 09:54:29 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on October 31, 2021, 06:58:01 PM
I read that as rainbow hippies for a second.

Rainbow hippies evolve into rainbow hippos in times of plenty when they have no natural enemies.

Greetings!

*Laughing* Yeah, that's right, Pat!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I disagree that they are hippos.

For starters, hippos are dangerous fucking critters.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on November 01, 2021, 07:52:57 AM
I disagree that they are hippos.

For starters, hippos are dangerous fucking critters.

So are the rainbow ones, if you're dumb enough to be fucking them.

Hello all,

I am new here and I thought I might post something regarding this subject. I came across this list as I was searching on how to avoid SJW RPG books, and to my disappointment, GURPS ended up somehow mentioned in this.

I did some research on my own and I think an update might be warranted regarding GURPS and Steve Jackson Games. It was classified as yellow on the list, it might be red really soon, which is a shame since ​GURPS is my favorite RPG system and although I haven't played it as much as I would like, I was thinking about returning and buying a bunch of books (pdfs) to come back to GMing (maybe even play). However, I think I might save the money for something else since the company is filled with sjw types.

That is a shame, I really like GURPS, and I already spent a good amount of money on their physical books (which are not accessible to me at the moment), but Im not going to spend more money with people that hate me or that are delusional.

Maybe I will start learning the Palladium system and RIFTS, always thought their visuals looked cool.

Anyway, just wanted to vent a little bit, hope you guys don't mind.

See ya later.

Quote from: Kandric on November 02, 2021, 05:20:49 PM
Hello all,

I am new here and I thought I might post something regarding this subject. I came across this list as I was searching on how to avoid SJW RPG books, and to my disappointment, GURPS ended up somehow mentioned in this.

I did some research on my own and I think an update might be warranted regarding GURPS and Steve Jackson Games. It was classified as yellow on the list, it might be red really soon, which is a shame since ​GURPS is my favorite RPG system and although I haven't played it as much as I would like, I was thinking about returning and buying a bunch of books (pdfs) to come back to GMing (maybe even play). However, I think I might save the money for something else since the company is filled with sjw types.

That is a shame, I really like GURPS, and I already spent a good amount of money on their physical books (which are not accessible to me at the moment), but Im not going to spend more money with people that hate me or that are delusional.

Maybe I will start learning the Palladium system and RIFTS, always thought their visuals looked cool.

Anyway, just wanted to vent a little bit, hope you guys don't mind.

See ya later.

Any proof they should be moved from yellow?

Having SJWs working for you isn't enough IMHO. What have they done to merit being put on red?

Quote from: FistOfGaiVs on October 31, 2021, 04:30:02 AM

Quote from: Iron_Rain on October 29, 2021, 08:36:58 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this list has done more harm than good? I'm all for calling out self-righteous virtue signalling keyboard warrior BS, but think the blowback has likely made things worse.

I almost bought Zweihander due to it being marketed as "Grim and Perilous" - but then found out the "Gender Neutral" manifesto and how they obviously spent more time making everything hyper politically correct than working out anything even halfway playable.  What a stupid joke.  I took a photo, made a joke tweet to warn others.  Then I got harassed with a Cancel attempt by their "Writers" whom I see as Adult Teletubbies but also vicious and possibly murderous.  Looking over their ....game... I imagined if the notorious "F.A.T.A.L" project had become more popular - and Dragon or some other Gaming magazine did a parody of it - as if it had been made by the hyper super Politically Correct...  That - one man's opinion - is Zweihander...  I didn't pick a fight - I almost bought their game since it was marketed to the TTRPG crowd but you had to read deep to discover the 'writers' only agenda was their treacly snowflake ideals - not making a game.  If I'd known (say their manifestos printed on the front cover) I'd have immediately put the book down.  End of story.  Not what I'd buy but I'd only wish them well.  It was almost buying it, noting it, getting harassed. (big epic fight - old One Angry Gamer site had it covered)  There were also an unusual number of security alerts of attempts to hack my personna and I still get 10x the spam (mostly "I have your web photos send me bitcoin") most get as if it was given after pathetic hacking attempts failed.  Any coincidence I'll say "One Man's Opinion" without direct proof of course.

Normally I don't want a "Blacklist" but they themselves in manifestos posted online constantly say if you don't agree with their hyper left Woke-ness you are NOT to buy, play, etc. their game.  How in the WORLD is it somehow worth it to Barnes and Noble to keep them on the shelves?  Well they are also devoting 1/3 of store space to a 'children's section - no adults unless parents with kids...   They call for a blacklist?  GIVE it to them.  Baby need his bottle.

Thus this list helps warn consumers sick of the "Woke" to NOT buy the WOKE stuff and waste money or get harassed/stalked by these...people...more concerned with agitprop than making a product.  Again the WOKE the Social Justice Warriors the Hipsters of HATE themselves have in so many manifestos made it clear they do NOT want you to play their game unless you agree with their politics 100%.  And, btw, I'm an old school liberal and 1st gen "Munchkin" gamer - an Xer really.  I'm 95% towards much of what (on the surface) the Woke/SJWs demand - an end to RL racism and sexism, for strong social and legal protocols against, and for maximum tolerance of free speech, press and personal behavior.  WHERE I differ is I am for Maximum free speech - including that I do not approve of.  And against things being banned because someone somewhere is "Offended".  Thus I might as well be HITLER to these people.

I think this list needs its own special website with additions/changes on a regular basis.  Also notes of (to use their own term) "Problematic" individuals - such as how Zweihander has hired Zoe Quinn for "Blackbirds" another "Look mommy its gwim and dawk - but not waysist or sexist!  BLM!"  We just make it clear the adherence (or defiance of) "Woke" agitprop/groupthink.

Furthermore - with most of the "Mainstream" companies now corporate owned shells that cuck and suck to panderers it's good for "Green" - you can be a small one room apartment self-publisher and get a GREEN rating by publishing on DriveThru and making DEAD CLEAR your work is NOT for the "Woke"...!  Could "Woke" sneak through and try to propagandize?  Not with gaming geeks looking at them and "False information/fraud" is grounds to get kicked out.  Furthermore if a "Woke" tried to do non-PC stuff to infiltrate their "Friends" would be sharpening knives and weighting skateboards to attack them - arguing they made  the "Captive princess wailing for rescue" a little TOO pretty...  If any former "Woke" jump over, great!  There's a phrase on church boards sometimes:  "Try Jesus.  If you don't like him the Devil WILL take you back!" - the "Hipsters of HATE" are NOT as kind and forgiving...

The only caution I'd argue for is to NOT let it get defined beyond there.  I don't want say only "Vox Day" to take over and so you have to be "Alt right" and the bias is only flipped.  Apologies to Mr Day, I have read a bunch of his books, from the SJW ones to some comics, like him (especially his techno music from way back) but I don't want to choose between one "Cult" to side with.  I'm a bit "Liberal" but think influenced by Hippie/Yippie parents.  Abbie Hoffman to Phil Ochs for some quick refs, I don't mean directly though my Mom did meet Gutherie and Burgess.  I consider the RAINBOW UNICORN SNOWFLAKES aka the "Woke" some sick INSULT on the real work and sacrifice of the Parent's generation (and many last century) to try to destroy it.

That's a lot of words. This thread has big "You can't fire me, I quit" energy. You're not sticking it to these people by not buying  their products. They don't want your business, they've said it repeatedly.

Meanwhile, the "green" Venger Satanis hasn't raised 15k in two weeks with his latest Kickstarter, but "red" Tuesday Knight Games is over 440k on the first day of the Mothership 1e box set. And comics just had one of the biggest summers in the last 25 years - and that doesn't even include graphic novels (single-issue sales only) or manga. When do they get to the "going broke" part, huh, you guys?

You guys make me laugh.

Quote from: Tubesock Army on November 02, 2021, 05:35:06 PM

Quote from: FistOfGaiVs on October 31, 2021, 04:30:02 AM

Quote from: Iron_Rain on October 29, 2021, 08:36:58 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this list has done more harm than good? I'm all for calling out self-righteous virtue signalling keyboard warrior BS, but think the blowback has likely made things worse.

I almost bought Zweihander due to it being marketed as "Grim and Perilous" - but then found out the "Gender Neutral" manifesto and how they obviously spent more time making everything hyper politically correct than working out anything even halfway playable.  What a stupid joke.  I took a photo, made a joke tweet to warn others.  Then I got harassed with a Cancel attempt by their "Writers" whom I see as Adult Teletubbies but also vicious and possibly murderous.  Looking over their ....game... I imagined if the notorious "F.A.T.A.L" project had become more popular - and Dragon or some other Gaming magazine did a parody of it - as if it had been made by the hyper super Politically Correct...  That - one man's opinion - is Zweihander...  I didn't pick a fight - I almost bought their game since it was marketed to the TTRPG crowd but you had to read deep to discover the 'writers' only agenda was their treacly snowflake ideals - not making a game.  If I'd known (say their manifestos printed on the front cover) I'd have immediately put the book down.  End of story.  Not what I'd buy but I'd only wish them well.  It was almost buying it, noting it, getting harassed. (big epic fight - old One Angry Gamer site had it covered)  There were also an unusual number of security alerts of attempts to hack my personna and I still get 10x the spam (mostly "I have your web photos send me bitcoin") most get as if it was given after pathetic hacking attempts failed.  Any coincidence I'll say "One Man's Opinion" without direct proof of course.

Normally I don't want a "Blacklist" but they themselves in manifestos posted online constantly say if you don't agree with their hyper left Woke-ness you are NOT to buy, play, etc. their game.  How in the WORLD is it somehow worth it to Barnes and Noble to keep them on the shelves?  Well they are also devoting 1/3 of store space to a 'children's section - no adults unless parents with kids...   They call for a blacklist?  GIVE it to them.  Baby need his bottle.

Thus this list helps warn consumers sick of the "Woke" to NOT buy the WOKE stuff and waste money or get harassed/stalked by these...people...more concerned with agitprop than making a product.  Again the WOKE the Social Justice Warriors the Hipsters of HATE themselves have in so many manifestos made it clear they do NOT want you to play their game unless you agree with their politics 100%.  And, btw, I'm an old school liberal and 1st gen "Munchkin" gamer - an Xer really.  I'm 95% towards much of what (on the surface) the Woke/SJWs demand - an end to RL racism and sexism, for strong social and legal protocols against, and for maximum tolerance of free speech, press and personal behavior.  WHERE I differ is I am for Maximum free speech - including that I do not approve of.  And against things being banned because someone somewhere is "Offended".  Thus I might as well be HITLER to these people.

I think this list needs its own special website with additions/changes on a regular basis.  Also notes of (to use their own term) "Problematic" individuals - such as how Zweihander has hired Zoe Quinn for "Blackbirds" another "Look mommy its gwim and dawk - but not waysist or sexist!  BLM!"  We just make it clear the adherence (or defiance of) "Woke" agitprop/groupthink.

Furthermore - with most of the "Mainstream" companies now corporate owned shells that cuck and suck to panderers it's good for "Green" - you can be a small one room apartment self-publisher and get a GREEN rating by publishing on DriveThru and making DEAD CLEAR your work is NOT for the "Woke"...!  Could "Woke" sneak through and try to propagandize?  Not with gaming geeks looking at them and "False information/fraud" is grounds to get kicked out.  Furthermore if a "Woke" tried to do non-PC stuff to infiltrate their "Friends" would be sharpening knives and weighting skateboards to attack them - arguing they made  the "Captive princess wailing for rescue" a little TOO pretty...  If any former "Woke" jump over, great!  There's a phrase on church boards sometimes:  "Try Jesus.  If you don't like him the Devil WILL take you back!" - the "Hipsters of HATE" are NOT as kind and forgiving...

The only caution I'd argue for is to NOT let it get defined beyond there.  I don't want say only "Vox Day" to take over and so you have to be "Alt right" and the bias is only flipped.  Apologies to Mr Day, I have read a bunch of his books, from the SJW ones to some comics, like him (especially his techno music from way back) but I don't want to choose between one "Cult" to side with.  I'm a bit "Liberal" but think influenced by Hippie/Yippie parents.  Abbie Hoffman to Phil Ochs for some quick refs, I don't mean directly though my Mom did meet Gutherie and Burgess.  I consider the RAINBOW UNICORN SNOWFLAKES aka the "Woke" some sick INSULT on the real work and sacrifice of the Parent's generation (and many last century) to try to destroy it.

That's a lot of words. This thread has big "You can't fire me, I quit" energy. You're not sticking it to these people by not buying  their products. They don't want your business, they've said it repeatedly.

Meanwhile, the "green" Venger Satanis hasn't raised 15k in two weeks with his latest Kickstarter, but "red" Tuesday Knight Games is over 440k on the first day of the Mothership 1e box set. And comics just had one of the biggest summers in the last 25 years - and that doesn't even include graphic novels (single-issue sales only) or manga. When do they get to the "going broke" part, huh, you guys?

You guys make me laugh.

The list is bad
The list does nothing

Choose one and stick to it.

As for sticking it to "these people", how can one think that's what we want when they have said they don't want the money from anyone to the right of Mao?

You laugh so hard that you have several pages worth trying to derail the list. Laugh harder snowflake.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 02, 2021, 05:25:43 PM

Any proof they should be moved from yellow?

Having SJWs working for you isn't enough IMHO. What have they done to merit being put on red?

Well, I am not sure if they should be put in red at the moment, but if history is any indication, it is just a matter of time. The old books seem to be fine, I guess. But then again, when do you cut your losses?

I am not sure myself. I came across several editors (not just Steve Jackson) signing the whole October surprise thing supporting Bidden/Harris campaign and pretty much denying reality (Hunter's laptop is somewhat a conspiracy theory and such), we have several authors talking sjw points (from how white RPG gamers are racists, to gender is fluid and mask your kids and all that stuff)...

If that was all that was, I personally wouldn't care that much, but we know that SJWs can't separate their personal life from their work (just look at all the franchises ruined by them). So I am wondering myself if I should invest anymore time (and money) on this company. My post was more of a rant (and maybe an attempt to gauge other people's opinion) regarding this.

I myself am very conflicted. As I said before: I really like GURPS, but if they are going to shit (as it seems the case) I might as well start buying something else.

Quote from: Kandric on November 02, 2021, 05:43:58 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 02, 2021, 05:25:43 PM

Any proof they should be moved from yellow?

Having SJWs working for you isn't enough IMHO. What have they done to merit being put on red?

Well, I am not sure if they should be put in red at the moment, but if history is any indication, it is just a matter of time. The old books seem to be fine, I guess. But then again, when do you cut your losses?

I am not sure myself. I came across several editors (not just Steve Jackson) signing the whole October surprise thing supporting Bidden/Harris campaign and pretty much denying reality (Hunter's laptop is somewhat a conspiracy theory and such), we have several authors talking sjw points (from how white RPG gamers are racists, to gender is fluid and mask your kids and all that stuff)...

If that was all that was, I personally wouldn't care that much, but we know that SJWs can't separate their personal life from their work (just look at all the franchises ruined by them). So I am wondering myself if I should invest anymore time (and money) on this company. My post was more of a rant (and maybe an attempt to gauge other people's opinion) regarding this.

I myself am very conflicted. As I said before: I really like GURPS, but if they are going to shit (as it seems the case) I might as well start buying something else.

I don't think you're getting a 5e of GURPS anytime soon if ever.

SJ sided with a developer the woketards were trying to destroy.

So they signed that shit, and therefore they are in yellow, because red isn't about who you vote for or not, but about specific actions, among them the whole: "If you don't like my politics don't buy my stuff" and demonizing part of their consumer base and inserting their shitty cult's dogma into their products.

Yellow is proceed with caution these people MIGHT do this stuff in the future or MIGHT hate your guts if you're to the right of MAO.

Edited to correct the edition number.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 02, 2021, 05:51:14 PM
I don't think you're getting a 5e of GURPS anytime soon if ever.

SJ sided with a developer the woketards were trying to destroy.

So they signed that shit, and therefore they are in yellow, because red isn't about who you vote for or not, but about specific actions, among them the whole: "If you don't like my politics don't buy my stuff" and demonizing part of their consumer base and inserting their shitty cult's dogma into their products.

Yellow is proceed with caution these people MIGHT do this stuff in the future or MIGHT hate your guts if you're to the right of MAO.

Edited to correct the edition number.

I see.
Well, time will tell I guess.

Thanks for the reply.

Quote from: Kandric on November 02, 2021, 06:10:28 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 02, 2021, 05:51:14 PM
I don't think you're getting a 5e of GURPS anytime soon if ever.

SJ sided with a developer the woketards were trying to destroy.

So they signed that shit, and therefore they are in yellow, because red isn't about who you vote for or not, but about specific actions, among them the whole: "If you don't like my politics don't buy my stuff" and demonizing part of their consumer base and inserting their shitty cult's dogma into their products.

Yellow is proceed with caution these people MIGHT do this stuff in the future or MIGHT hate your guts if you're to the right of MAO.

Edited to correct the edition number.

I see.
Well, time will tell I guess.

Thanks for the reply.

Time will tell indeed
welcome to the Moss Esley of RPG forums.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 02, 2021, 05:42:02 PM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on November 02, 2021, 05:35:06 PM

Quote from: FistOfGaiVs on October 31, 2021, 04:30:02 AM

Quote from: Iron_Rain on October 29, 2021, 08:36:58 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this list has done more harm than good? I'm all for calling out self-righteous virtue signalling keyboard warrior BS, but think the blowback has likely made things worse.

I almost bought Zweihander due to it being marketed as "Grim and Perilous" - but then found out the "Gender Neutral" manifesto and how they obviously spent more time making everything hyper politically correct than working out anything even halfway playable.  What a stupid joke.  I took a photo, made a joke tweet to warn others.  Then I got harassed with a Cancel attempt by their "Writers" whom I see as Adult Teletubbies but also vicious and possibly murderous.  Looking over their ....game... I imagined if the notorious "F.A.T.A.L" project had become more popular - and Dragon or some other Gaming magazine did a parody of it - as if it had been made by the hyper super Politically Correct...  That - one man's opinion - is Zweihander...  I didn't pick a fight - I almost bought their game since it was marketed to the TTRPG crowd but you had to read deep to discover the 'writers' only agenda was their treacly snowflake ideals - not making a game.  If I'd known (say their manifestos printed on the front cover) I'd have immediately put the book down.  End of story.  Not what I'd buy but I'd only wish them well.  It was almost buying it, noting it, getting harassed. (big epic fight - old One Angry Gamer site had it covered)  There were also an unusual number of security alerts of attempts to hack my personna and I still get 10x the spam (mostly "I have your web photos send me bitcoin") most get as if it was given after pathetic hacking attempts failed.  Any coincidence I'll say "One Man's Opinion" without direct proof of course.

Normally I don't want a "Blacklist" but they themselves in manifestos posted online constantly say if you don't agree with their hyper left Woke-ness you are NOT to buy, play, etc. their game.  How in the WORLD is it somehow worth it to Barnes and Noble to keep them on the shelves?  Well they are also devoting 1/3 of store space to a 'children's section - no adults unless parents with kids...   They call for a blacklist?  GIVE it to them.  Baby need his bottle.

Thus this list helps warn consumers sick of the "Woke" to NOT buy the WOKE stuff and waste money or get harassed/stalked by these...people...more concerned with agitprop than making a product.  Again the WOKE the Social Justice Warriors the Hipsters of HATE themselves have in so many manifestos made it clear they do NOT want you to play their game unless you agree with their politics 100%.  And, btw, I'm an old school liberal and 1st gen "Munchkin" gamer - an Xer really.  I'm 95% towards much of what (on the surface) the Woke/SJWs demand - an end to RL racism and sexism, for strong social and legal protocols against, and for maximum tolerance of free speech, press and personal behavior.  WHERE I differ is I am for Maximum free speech - including that I do not approve of.  And against things being banned because someone somewhere is "Offended".  Thus I might as well be HITLER to these people.

I think this list needs its own special website with additions/changes on a regular basis.  Also notes of (to use their own term) "Problematic" individuals - such as how Zweihander has hired Zoe Quinn for "Blackbirds" another "Look mommy its gwim and dawk - but not waysist or sexist!  BLM!"  We just make it clear the adherence (or defiance of) "Woke" agitprop/groupthink.

Furthermore - with most of the "Mainstream" companies now corporate owned shells that cuck and suck to panderers it's good for "Green" - you can be a small one room apartment self-publisher and get a GREEN rating by publishing on DriveThru and making DEAD CLEAR your work is NOT for the "Woke"...!  Could "Woke" sneak through and try to propagandize?  Not with gaming geeks looking at them and "False information/fraud" is grounds to get kicked out.  Furthermore if a "Woke" tried to do non-PC stuff to infiltrate their "Friends" would be sharpening knives and weighting skateboards to attack them - arguing they made  the "Captive princess wailing for rescue" a little TOO pretty...  If any former "Woke" jump over, great!  There's a phrase on church boards sometimes:  "Try Jesus.  If you don't like him the Devil WILL take you back!" - the "Hipsters of HATE" are NOT as kind and forgiving...

The only caution I'd argue for is to NOT let it get defined beyond there.  I don't want say only "Vox Day" to take over and so you have to be "Alt right" and the bias is only flipped.  Apologies to Mr Day, I have read a bunch of his books, from the SJW ones to some comics, like him (especially his techno music from way back) but I don't want to choose between one "Cult" to side with.  I'm a bit "Liberal" but think influenced by Hippie/Yippie parents.  Abbie Hoffman to Phil Ochs for some quick refs, I don't mean directly though my Mom did meet Gutherie and Burgess.  I consider the RAINBOW UNICORN SNOWFLAKES aka the "Woke" some sick INSULT on the real work and sacrifice of the Parent's generation (and many last century) to try to destroy it.

That's a lot of words. This thread has big "You can't fire me, I quit" energy. You're not sticking it to these people by not buying  their products. They don't want your business, they've said it repeatedly.

Meanwhile, the "green" Venger Satanis hasn't raised 15k in two weeks with his latest Kickstarter, but "red" Tuesday Knight Games is over 440k on the first day of the Mothership 1e box set. And comics just had one of the biggest summers in the last 25 years - and that doesn't even include graphic novels (single-issue sales only) or manga. When do they get to the "going broke" part, huh, you guys?

You guys make me laugh.

The list is bad
The list does nothing

Choose one and stick to it.

As for sticking it to "these people", how can one think that's what we want when they have said they don't want the money from anyone to the right of Mao?

You laugh so hard that you have several pages worth trying to derail the list. Laugh harder snowflake.

1. I've never said the list is "bad", or anything but laughable, so stick to what? Please find where I said the list is bad.

2. A handful of posts is not pages. Go ahead, please count the "pages" of posts.

3. Why would I want to derail the list? Ever since Chris-Chan got arrested, this is the best place on the internet to laugh at dumb people. Congratulations, I guess.

4. Seems like you're the snowflake. "I-I'll show them! They'll go out of business for hurting my fee-fees! *sob*"

Please continue. This thread is comedy gold.

Also, I notice you couldn't refute any of the points I made in the quote you posted, so you resorted to ad hominem attacks, exaggerations and outright lies. I win.