Quote from: S'mon on October 20, 2021, 04:13:24 PM

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 20, 2021, 03:45:54 PM
Don't they have Ginny D. as their occasional spokesperson? Didn't she famously say not to follow them or buy their products if you aren't an ally or if you are right wing in any way?

They definitely sponsor her videos - I know this as I am subbed to Ginny D, so I must be a Commie SJW.  She's definitely a Lefty but I don't know the quote you're referring to. If they've endorsed a 'don't buy our stuff if you're not an SJW' stance then that would be Red.

I would never say that about you, but heads up: if you tell Ginny D that all lives matter, you don't support looting in protests, or that you don't support BLM protests she will call you a racist fascist and block you.

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 20, 2021, 04:35:26 PM
I would never say that about you, but heads up: if you tell Ginny D that all lives matter, you don't support looting in protests, or that you don't support BLM protests she will call you a racist fascist and block you.

Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me.

@SHARK Ginny D https://www.youtube.com/c/GinnyDi - definitely leans heavy into the Quirky, just like WoTC. I call post-2018 5e's direction "Ginny D&D"

She's 30 or so but appears to play a 19 year old on Youtube...

Quote from: S'mon on October 20, 2021, 04:13:24 PM

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 20, 2021, 03:45:54 PM
Don't they have Ginny D. as their occasional spokesperson? Didn't she famously say not to follow them or buy their products if you aren't an ally or if you are right wing in any way?

They definitely sponsor her videos - I know this as I am subbed to Ginny D, so I must be a Commie SJW.  She's definitely a Lefty but I don't know the quote you're referring to. If they've endorsed a 'don't buy our stuff if you're not an SJW' stance then that would be Red.

Would using a block list and blocking people you never interacted with based on who they follow count as an instance of "don't buy our stuff if you're not an SJW" ?

Because the president of Atlas Games does exactly that, although the Atlas Games twatter account doesn't seem to do so.

Quote from: S'mon on October 20, 2021, 04:43:55 PM

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 20, 2021, 04:35:26 PM
I would never say that about you, but heads up: if you tell Ginny D that all lives matter, you don't support looting in protests, or that you don't support BLM protests she will call you a racist fascist and block you.

Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me.

@SHARK Ginny D https://www.youtube.com/c/GinnyDi - definitely leans heavy into the Quirky, just like WoTC. I call post-2018 5e's direction "Ginny D&D"

She's 30 or so but appears to play a 19 year old on Youtube...

First rule of Fishing S'mon: No Simping

She is even colour coded for your convenience.

Quote from: Shasarak on October 20, 2021, 04:49:54 PM

Quote from: S'mon on October 20, 2021, 04:43:55 PM

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 20, 2021, 04:35:26 PM
I would never say that about you, but heads up: if you tell Ginny D that all lives matter, you don't support looting in protests, or that you don't support BLM protests she will call you a racist fascist and block you.

Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me.

@SHARK Ginny D https://www.youtube.com/c/GinnyDi - definitely leans heavy into the Quirky, just like WoTC. I call post-2018 5e's direction "Ginny D&D"

She's 30 or so but appears to play a 19 year old on Youtube...

First rule of Fishing S'mon: No Simping

She is even colour coded for your convenience.

Second rule of fishing: Never stick your D in crazy.

Third rule of fishing: Animals use bright colors to warn you they are poisonous.

Quote from: Shasarak on October 20, 2021, 04:49:54 PM
First rule of Fishing S'mon: No Simping

She is even colour coded for your convenience.

I meant she acts like she's 19! This is not something I find particularly attractive - I like busty redheads*.

I did see some guy on D&D UK Facebook group drooling over her, which I found pretty weird.

*I'll make an exception for busty brunettes if they show plenty of cleavage. My kinda girl https://www.youtube.com/c/CourtneyRyan/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid

Quote from: DM_Curt on October 20, 2021, 04:23:41 PM

Quote from: SHARK on October 20, 2021, 04:16:22 PM

Quote from: S'mon on October 20, 2021, 04:13:24 PM

Quote from: VhaidraSaga on October 20, 2021, 03:45:54 PM
Don't they have Ginny D. as their occasional spokesperson? Didn't she famously say not to follow them or buy their products if you aren't an ally or if you are right wing in any way?

They definitely sponsor her videos - I know this as I am subbed to Ginny D, so I must be a Commie SJW.  She's definitely a Lefty but I don't know the quote you're referring to. If they've endorsed a 'don't buy our stuff if you're not an SJW' stance then that would be Red.

Greetings!

Ginny D...is she the quirky, dress-up D&D girl that makes weird videos about D&D?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Yep.  Young-ish, green-haired, generally smiling and happy. Comes across as pleasant, and can sing.

Edit: Has some pretty decent crafting/costume-making skills too.

Greetings!

Thank you, DM Curt!

Yes, quite right. I know her now. I have watched several of her videos in the recent past. My impression of her was a young, cute, exuberant geek girl who enjoyed D&D, dress-up, and crafting thingies. She seemed generally happy, pleasant, and fun. At times, kind and perhaps thoughtful, as well. In an online world awash in SJW insanity and social tyranny, I joyfully thought she was an island of chirpy fun, pleasantness, and reasonableness.

I am sad to learn that my good impression of Ginny D was misplaced, and mistaken.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on October 19, 2021, 10:52:53 PM
*Laughing* I love all the SJW Communist scum crying about this list. Whaa! Whaa! Whaa!

I have to disagree.  It sounds more like Reee! Reee! Reee! to me.

Quote from: DocJones on October 20, 2021, 07:17:15 PM

Quote from: SHARK on October 19, 2021, 10:52:53 PM
*Laughing* I love all the SJW Communist scum crying about this list. Whaa! Whaa! Whaa!

I have to disagree.  It sounds more like Reee! Reee! Reee! to me.

Greetings!

*Laughing* Quite right, my friend! LET THEM REEE like little bitches!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Diogo Nogueira is Red. In 2018 he put on his blog attacking what was then the right-wing presidential candidate,  an entry called "the cult of lies and hate". http://www.pontosdeexperiencia.com.br/2018/09/oranoslob-e-o-culto-ao-odio-e-mentira.html

He and the entire Brazilian RPG community (mainstream, OSR and indie) at the time made a purge, saying that if you're a phobic you don't belong in RPG.

Quote from: Evil on October 21, 2021, 10:37:22 PM
Diogo Nogueira is Red. In 2018 he put on his blog attacking what was then the right-wing presidential candidate,  an entry called "the cult of lies and hate". http://www.pontosdeexperiencia.com.br/2018/09/oranoslob-e-o-culto-ao-odio-e-mentira.html

He and the entire Brazilian RPG community (mainstream, OSR and indie) at the time made a purge, saying that if you're a phobic you don't belong in RPG.

Welp, there goes me ever buying another Brazilian RPG or anything from Diogo. A shame the entire Brazilian scene is infected with SJWs.

I really liked his Solar Blades & Cosmic Spells. I didn't care about the cartoons that were supposed to set the mood and just ran off to play "Dollar Tree Herculoids rob ancient machine banks in the Hobo Zone of Broken Space."

On the strength of that I got Dark Streets & Darker Secrets which really didn't scratch the same itch. I'm not sure that is his fault. In fact I'm gonna say that my current view is that the dark urban fantasy horror scene needs an enema. There are so many " this is how you do Vampire and witches and hunters on the streets of Boston right " type products that taken together are just a bag of grey M&Ms.

I'm happy to know he's red though I doubt I'll be looking for more stuff he's done even if he were green. The Egyptian Situation was kind of a waste of time. Very short and not that exciting, funny, or clever. I feel like I've already found his best and that's that.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 21, 2021, 10:51:11 PM

Quote from: Evil on October 21, 2021, 10:37:22 PM
Diogo Nogueira is Red. In 2018 he put on his blog attacking what was then the right-wing presidential candidate,  an entry called "the cult of lies and hate". http://www.pontosdeexperiencia.com.br/2018/09/oranoslob-e-o-culto-ao-odio-e-mentira.html

He and the entire Brazilian RPG community (mainstream, OSR and indie) at the time made a purge, saying that if you're a phobic you don't belong in RPG.

Welp, there goes me ever buying another Brazilian RPG or anything from Diogo. A shame the entire Brazilian scene is infected with SJWs.

There's a ton of based, Bolsonaro-loving Brazilian gamers. I know that because a lot of them follow me. I don't know if any of them write Brazilian RPGs, but they clearly should. The answer in the RPG world is to just have your own free speech community, and put the SJW commies in isolation.

Haven't forgotten about y'all just give me some time to catch up on posts ive been busy with IRL work. There were a few points brought up so i'll try and make another update soon. There were some good points made i think about kobold press or something.

hoshisabi -- I've noticed that at several points in this discussion you've asked philosophical questions about the list. I didn't create the list and I don't know the criteria that were used, but I think there is a coherent philosophical justification for the decisions that explains some of the edge cases like Tenkar.

Start with the strategy of tit-for-tat tolerance: "I will tolerate those of differing opinion provided they tolerate me." You could also consider this the "non-aggression principle of free speech". Tit-for-tat is a widely studied strategy within game theory because it has been proven to be the most successful strategy for Repeated Iteration Prisoner's Dilemmas. It means you start off cooperating, but stop cooperating with people who defect.

Tit-for-tat tolerance is not explicitly partisan. It's just a game theoretic strategy. It is not per se a Left-Wing or Right-Wing principle. Historically, there have been many Right-Wing groups that did not deploy tit-for-tat tolerance. For instance, in the middle ages, a witch tolerated Christians, but Christians did not tolerate witches. And historically for much of the Enlightenment, the champions of tit-for-tat tolerance were Left-wing.

That is no longer the case. Today, contemporary Left-Wing "woke" culture is descended from the New Left of the 1960s, which in turn is descended from the theories espoused by intellectuals such as Herbert Marcuse. Marcuse's essay "Repressive Tolerance" is the theoretical underpinning of deplatforming and cancel culture. "Repressive Tolerance" argues that:

1. Tolerance is only to be extended to truth.
2. Leftism is objectively true, and anything other than leftism is not.
3. Therefore tolerance is only to be extended to leftism.
4. Anyone who disagrees with this has been indoctrinated. To the extent that the majority of people disagree, that means the majority of people are indoctrinated.
5. Since most people are indoctrinated, leftists must break the indoctrination so that they can grasp the truth of leftism.
6. To break the indoctrination, leftists must promote left-wing thought and suppress right-wing thought.
7. Promoting left-wing thought is accomplished by changing "established universes of meaning" and actively presenting "information slanted in the opposite direction," e.g. by political correctness and propaganda.
8. Suppressing right-wing thought is accomplished by withdrawing the freedom of speech, press, and assembly for anyone who disagrees with leftists on race, gender, religion, armament, public services, social security, or healthcare, e.g. deplatforming us entirely.

Anyone who agrees with Marcuse -- and that is almost everyone who participates in cancel culture -- disagrees with tit-for-tat tolerance. They believe in repressive tolerance, not tit-for-tat tolerance. Tit-for-tat tolerance says "do you tolerate those who have tolerated you? if so I will tolerate you." Repressive tolerance says "do you agree with me? if so I will tolerate you."

Let us now apply the above the list...

Anyone who agrees with Marcuse, and puts his practices into place, goes on the Red list.

Anyone who agrees with Marcuse in principal, but hasn't yet put his practices into place in their RPG business, goes on the Yellow list. Maybe they just aren't committed to repressive intolerance, maybe they don't want to hurt their pocket book, who knows. Since most people are not educated enough to be self-aware of the sources of their own ideology, most people aren't tagging #Marcuse in their posts. So we have to abductively infer their beliefs from other signs, such as partisan affiliations, signals of support for cancel culture, and so on. There is room for error here.

Anyone who agrees with the axiom of tit-for-tat tolerance goes into the Green group. But within the Green group, there are two factions:
"Light Green" believes in the axiom of tit-for-tat tolerance but it is still tolerating those who don't tolerate it.
"Dark Green" believes in the axiom of tit-for-tat tolerance and is no longer tolerating those who don't tolerate it.

This is an important distinction. The strategy of tit-for-tat tolerance is not pacifism; it's not "turning the other cheek." It simply means not being the first to initiate aggression, deplatforming, defection, etc. "do you tolerate those who have tolerated you? If so I will tolerate you. But if not, I WON'T."

So, to say "Right Wing Person X tried to get Person Y deplatformed" does not mean that Person X shouldn't be Green. It depends on whether or not Person Y had previously been tolerant of the tolerant, or Person Y was intolerant of the tolerant. This explains why someone like Tenkar might be situated as Green even though he has been intolerant, IF the people to whom he has been intolerant were those who already had been intolerant to him. E.g. He did not initiate the intolerance, he did so in tit-for-tat.