Quote from: Persimmon on September 14, 2021, 06:12:21 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 14, 2021, 10:31:23 AM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on September 13, 2021, 10:51:47 AM

Quote from: tenbones on September 13, 2021, 10:47:59 AM
He's another grifter doing what grifters do.

Indeed... One minute saying, how shit and 'racist' wotc are. Then sucks of their teet. Theres principals for you. LOL

Not just that, but Khwan's "asian" themed Candlekeep adventure was in no way more in-depth or authentic than what any white guy who watched a lot of kung fu movies could have written. There was literally no difference that justified his argument that only people of Chinese blood could possibly write asian-themed RPG material.

From what I've seen, Daniel Kwan is what Asians call a "banana."  Yellow exterior but white on the inside. 

And as a white guy with a PhD in Asian history and an Asian wife I can attest that I know way more about Asian history and traditional culture than lots of actual Asians.  My guess is that Danny Kwan can't even read the historical sources in Classical Chinese that I was reading yesterday for my research.  But sure, he's way more qualified than me to write Asian-rpg materials....

Yeah of course. I could write a much better, more authentic, more historical and more legitimate adventure set in Song Dynasty China that would be much more true to Chinese history and culture than his Candlekeep adventure set in "generic kung-fu movie fantasy chinaland".

Which is why I take enormous personal offense to his unbelievably racist idea that only people with Chinese blood/DNA could ever possibly write an authentic Chinese RPG product (and so on and so forth for all the ethnicities, except I presume European-descendants), and could inherently do so tapping into some kind of magic Racial-power regardless of how much education they have or even whether or not they have ever interacted with their ancestral culture in any meaningful way. That SJW notion is pretty much indiscernible from outright Nazism.

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 15, 2021, 08:45:39 AM
Defending Free Speech, or loving your country, or believing in democracy, or wanting rule of law to be respected are not "political" views. They are the norms of our civilization.

I'd agree... As a lefty that's exactly what I want and expect. I certainly don't want to live under a theocracy or some banana republic. Freedom of speech should always be sacrosanct (unless someone is promoting violence or trying to besmirch someone's character with no evidence).

It only becomes really political when you dive into the minutia, and start playing with the numbers, strategy and percentages. I've no idea how the American Left has become so obsessed with coddle culture.

Quote from: Ocule on September 14, 2021, 06:15:21 PM

Quote from: Korgoth on September 14, 2021, 06:01:18 PM

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Quote from: Korgoth on September 14, 2021, 05:47:27 PM
My only problem is that I want the criteria to be adhered to fairly. It's not about complicating it, but if Eric Tenkar for example can get something pulled from drivethru and remain green, then this is not at all a list based on principles and more just on personal taste in politics.

Has Eric Tenkar said that he hates me and wants people like me and others here out of the hobby for being some sort of "istophobe?"  Because the principle seems pretty straightforward.  "Here's a list of people who have said they hate you (red), people who have submitted to the people who say they hate you (yellow), and people who don't say they hate you or actively oppose those who say they hate you (green)."

You are redefining the criteria. The red criteria clearly includes " interfered with other creators ".

This ultimately came down to a balancing of scales with Tenkar. I don't really have a real connection with him and occasionally run across something hes written so I don't have a vested interest one way or another. People earlier in the thread made a strong case for that group, we have also previously established it is possible for creators to redeem themselves and move upward if they establish new patterns of behavior, show remorse for their actions or other factors in the decision. The text after his name is there to make the reader aware of a history that might come up should they do even a basic search so might as well make it readily available.

The big hint should be that all the assholes trying to claim Tenkar should be in the red list are Leftist SJW plants.

Of course, I still argue he probably shouldn't be on the list at all, he's not a game designer or a publisher. He's a vlogger and a chat group admin.

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Quote from: Persimmon on September 14, 2021, 06:12:21 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 14, 2021, 10:31:23 AM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on September 13, 2021, 10:51:47 AM

Quote from: tenbones on September 13, 2021, 10:47:59 AM
He's another grifter doing what grifters do.

Indeed... One minute saying, how shit and 'racist' wotc are. Then sucks of their teet. Theres principals for you. LOL

Not just that, but Khwan's "asian" themed Candlekeep adventure was in no way more in-depth or authentic than what any white guy who watched a lot of kung fu movies could have written. There was literally no difference that justified his argument that only people of Chinese blood could possibly write asian-themed RPG material.

From what I've seen, Daniel Kwan is what Asians call a "banana."  Yellow exterior but white on the inside. 

And as a white guy with a PhD in Asian history and an Asian wife I can attest that I know way more about Asian history and traditional culture than lots of actual Asians.  My guess is that Danny Kwan can't even read the historical sources in Classical Chinese that I was reading yesterday for my research.  But sure, he's way more qualified than me to write Asian-rpg materials....

I suspected as much. I'm like this "asian" is from cali or some shit like that, and probably only speaks english.

He's from Toronto, Canada.

Quote from: hoshisabi on September 14, 2021, 06:33:17 PM
Oh, and as a bit of info for Ocule about Tenkar. I don't know if this would factor into any thought you have, but here is documenting some issues that he had with Mr. LaNasa

I mean, eh... I don't THINK it would affect your views, but on one hand it's a little de-platformy and on the other, it's just collection of data that was already out there.

https://www.tenkarstavern.com/2021/06/latest-tsr-justin-lanasa-screenshot.html

Bullshit. He's making the same argument I made about TSR, that it's a nostalgia-laden gygax-invoking grab at older gamer's dollars with no real claim to the original company.

And, yes Tenkar is a pussy about politics and is himself concerned about his own profitability to the point of blocking posts of mine on his facebook page that he allows on his MeWe page out of fear of getting his facebook banned.

But again, to suggest that he hasn't had a long history of providing a platform for relatively open speech, much less that he's the equivalent of human filth like all the people on the red list (Evil Hat, Varg Vikernes, etc) is just a ridiculous attempt to try to nitpick the list to try to make it less reflective of real gamer's views.

You're engaging in standard Alinsky Rules tactics here and it's obvious. But that doesn't work anymore.

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 15, 2021, 09:00:09 AM
Yeah of course. I could write a much better, more authentic, more historical and more legitimate adventure set in Song Dynasty China that would be much more true to Chinese history and culture than his Candlekeep adventure set in "generic kung-fu movie fantasy chinaland".

The only prerequisite for writing kung fu movies, and that shit is having watched load of it growing up. And who the fuck hasn't done that, if you like the genre? I wonder what Hong Kong action movies he grew up on? LOL

How old was that Dany Man Bun? When 'Hard Boiled' was released, or any of Chow Yun Fat's earlier movies for that matter?

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 15, 2021, 08:58:36 AM

Quote from: FingerRod on September 14, 2021, 06:08:43 PM
"But but but...if you make this one little change I will accept it!!!!!!"

Yeah, the disingenuous bullshit of these sockpuppet posters here acting like they're just trying to get clarification or offer helpful advice when literally nothing short of this list being erased forever and its creator's life ruined would ever be capable bring them to full satisfying orgasm is just fucking sickening. The fact that they're stupid enough to think they're fooling anyone is laughable.

Alright well, I'm out of this community then. Too much paranoia. A new user is not always a sock puppet. Asking for criteria to be judged evenly is not some attempt to ruin someone's life. You guys don't seem to want to live by the values you express on youtube. I will reconsider if I buy your products in the future.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on September 15, 2021, 09:00:26 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 15, 2021, 08:45:39 AM
Defending Free Speech, or loving your country, or believing in democracy, or wanting rule of law to be respected are not "political" views. They are the norms of our civilization.

I'd agree... As a lefty that's exactly what I want and expect. I certainly don't want to live under a theocracy or some banana republic. Freedom of speech should always be sacrosanct (unless someone is promoting violence or trying to besmirch someone's character with no evidence).

It only becomes really political when you dive into the minutia, and start playing with the numbers, strategy and percentages. I've no idea how the American Left has become so obsessed with coddle culture.

   Freedom of speech is interesting, but as an honest question, what exactly would entail advocating violence?  I for one, advocate violence when it is appropriate.  A WHOLE lot of real world problems are solved quickly, and completely by violence.  Now I am not advocating using it for every issue or in every case, but I very often see people saying telling people to defend themselves from aggression is "advocating violence".   The US constitution "advocates violence", there is a reason the 1st amendment has that 2nd amendment right behind it.   Violence is not some horrible thing that should never be spoken of or used.  It is like hammer, a tool, one that has a place and a use in human experience.    I do understand we do not use hammers to drill holes however. 

  My point I guess is I think a whole lot of the issues I see today, from right, left and center with the western world, is there is not enough familiarity with violence and zero sense of scale.  To me, REAL violence ends in a hospital, but to many schools in the USA, two third graders in a tussle is a situation where people want kids expelled or charges filed.  This has led us to a point where suddenly words are violence and there are people who use that train of thought to remove people with words they do not like. 

   Full circle to the thread, to me those sorts of reactions have created a generation of people who if they read or see something that has their pulse quicken...they shit a brick and want someone to pay for making them feel some kind of way.   I do think this sort of thing could be solved by requiring all males to box/wrestle or both for a year during their early years, similar to classical Greece, where EVERY man was expected to know how to handle himself in a scrap... and even if he was on on the top tier of capability, everyone knew everyone else at least had the potential to do them harm and it led to a certain level of respect as well as taking things in stride.

   To wrap it up, if everyone from say 1960 on had to box and wrestle for a year growing up, a list like this would never exist, or have to exist. 

Posthuman Studios (Eclipse Phase) should be added to the list in the RED category. They're politically far too the left, and their forum policies are similar to those of RPGnet.

Quote from: Todtsteltzer on September 15, 2021, 09:29:59 AM
Posthuman Studios (Eclipse Phase) should be added to the list in the RED category. They're politically far too the left, and their forum policies are similar to those of RPGnet.

Have they been super vocal about it? I know EP itself leans into leftist fanfic territory (so much so that there were complaints about how much of a strawman the Jovians were).

Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 15, 2021, 09:33:23 AM

Quote from: Todtsteltzer on September 15, 2021, 09:29:59 AM
Posthuman Studios (Eclipse Phase) should be added to the list in the RED category. They're politically far too the left, and their forum policies are similar to those of RPGnet.

Have they been super vocal about it? I know EP itself leans into leftist fanfic territory (so much so that there were complaints about how much of a strawman the Jovians were).

They have been a bit but only with Eclipse Phase 2e to me. It honestly felt like I was just reading D100 Starfinder, not my cup of tea. I'll stick to classic traveller and SWN

Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 15, 2021, 09:33:23 AM
Have they been super vocal about it? I know EP itself leans into leftist fanfic territory (so much so that there were complaints about how much of a strawman the Jovians were).

Good question. I remember they purged their forums from politically inconvenient (right-leaning) posters some time ago, but that is all I can say for sure.

I thought eclipse phase was already red. They went full political commissar a while back. There added eclipse phase to red along with some receipts https://eclipsephase.com/regarding-mras

Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 15, 2021, 09:33:23 AM

Quote from: Todtsteltzer on September 15, 2021, 09:29:59 AM
Posthuman Studios (Eclipse Phase) should be added to the list in the RED category. They're politically far too the left, and their forum policies are similar to those of RPGnet.

Have they been super vocal about it? I know EP itself leans into leftist fanfic territory (so much so that there were complaints about how much of a strawman the Jovians were).

Yes they have.  They officially and publicly "fired" anyone who was MRA.  I guess men wanting to be fairly treated in divorce and custody settlements is too much for them.

Quote from: KingCheops on September 15, 2021, 10:28:23 AM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 15, 2021, 09:33:23 AM

Quote from: Todtsteltzer on September 15, 2021, 09:29:59 AM
Posthuman Studios (Eclipse Phase) should be added to the list in the RED category. They're politically far too the left, and their forum policies are similar to those of RPGnet.

Have they been super vocal about it? I know EP itself leans into leftist fanfic territory (so much so that there were complaints about how much of a strawman the Jovians were).

Yes they have.  They officially and publicly "fired" anyone who was MRA.  I guess men wanting to be fairly treated in divorce and custody settlements is too much for them.

Yep. Linky:
https://eclipsephase.com/regarding-mras

Alrighty then.

Once again, for the uninitiated: archive everything.