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13th Age by Pelgrane Press is apolitical. I've got every book in the line so far, and there's nothing political in there that I've noticed. The listed quote under their entry is from Cthulhu Confidential, another Pelgrane Press book. It's a book designed for two-person gaming (one GM, one player) with three predesigned characters to pick from. If I recall correctly, there is a sidebar discussing using one of the other characters to play through a different character's scenario. The book is talking about how it's fine to have the white male character get beaten up and abused but you should think twice before doing that to one of the others (a white woman and black guy).

Quote: Green: Amarillo Design Bureau (Prime Directive RPG)

As a long term customer, forum lurker, occasional proofreader (not of their RPG line however), and friend of their RPG person, I can say: she has been apolitical for the decade plus I've known her. Their wargame developers have expressed their politics (but still not in their gaming material) - not woke.

I agree green is the correct category. Polish the above to taste.

I've a candidate for a green entry.

Look up Incel Riot Studios.  They have a card game out called Virtue Signal and they're working on another game called POZ (Portland Occupied Zone).

Both of these games lampoon the hell out of craptivist/woke culture.  Take a look at their trailer for Virtue Signal's expansion called Deplorables.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYoaZdQYuJo

I can't believe I'm going to have to tell some of you this, but it bears repeating:

Archive. Fucking. Everything.

Use archive-dot-whatever. Take screenshots. Do NOT let them flush their stupid remarks away because they WILL do so. Otherwise it becomes he-said-she-said and that's a lot harder argument to win than 'Yeah, he said this, and here's the record'.

It's interesting how disingenuous commenters from other forums are about this list.

It recently made reddit and for example they took "Hiring Daniel Kwan" as "hired an Asian person". For those who don't know, Daniel Kwan is the guy who got several old DnD books to remove PoD and to put up the disclaimer about how racist all WotC products are.

Another interesting fact, Daniel Kwan's company, Dundas west games, is named after a politician who delayed the abolition of slavery. He should change the name or admit his white supremacy and internalized racism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Dundas%2C_1st_Viscount_Melville#Controversy_over_legacy

Arc Dream Publishing - Delta Green: they don't like Trump, maybe, but their entry as red still feels hyperbolic.  I mean, Delta Green also has groups like the Tcho Tcho and Black Cod Islanders to reflect how Mythos corruption isn't exclusive to one ethnicity, and they take some minor flak for it without buckling (yet).  I don't see a company like Paizo or Evil Hat -not- caving in to their consumer base over half-assed claims of racism.  I'd argue they're yellow at most, unless folks want to make this a "either you don't dislike Trump or you're woke" sort of thing.

Quote from: Brand55 on September 12, 2021, 10:16:22 PM
13th Age by Pelgrane Press is apolitical. I've got every book in the line so far, and there's nothing political in there that I've noticed. The listed quote under their entry is from Cthulhu Confidential, another Pelgrane Press book. It's a book designed for two-person gaming (one GM, one player) with three predesigned characters to pick from. If I recall correctly, there is a sidebar discussing using one of the other characters to play through a different character's scenario. The book is talking about how it's fine to have the white male character get beaten up and abused but you should think twice before doing that to one of the others (a white woman and black guy).

Yeah.  And the Red-worthy single quote they have they can't actually attribute to anything.

Cite your sources that show it's a company wide stance (as opposed to one freelance author with no oversight) or it's just a spastic witch-hunt.

Quote from: Habitual Gamer on September 13, 2021, 10:03:18 AM
Arc Dream Publishing - Delta Green: they don't like Trump, maybe, but their entry as red still feels hyperbolic.  I mean, Delta Green also has groups like the Tcho Tcho and Black Cod Islanders to reflect how Mythos corruption isn't exclusive to one ethnicity, and they take some minor flak for it without buckling (yet).  I don't see a company like Paizo or Evil Hat -not- caving in to their consumer base over half-assed claims of racism.  I'd argue they're yellow at most, unless folks want to make this a "either you don't dislike Trump or you're woke" sort of thing.

I have considered moving them to yellow, after looking at the pages on Trump it wasn't really that though if memory serves they were slobbing on obamas nob there. It really just grinds my gears when they take real world pot shots at people in a book agree or no.

Quote from: Korgoth on September 13, 2021, 09:50:06 AM
It's interesting how disingenuous commenters from other forums are about this list.

It recently made reddit and for example they took "Hiring Daniel Kwan" as "hired an Asian person". For those who don't know, Daniel Kwan is the guy who got several old DnD books to remove PoD and to put up the disclaimer about how racist all WotC products are.

Another interesting fact, Daniel Kwan's company, Dundas west games, is named after a politician who delayed the abolition of slavery. He should change the name or admit his white supremacy and internalized racism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Dundas%2C_1st_Viscount_Melville#Controversy_over_legacy

It's like they're trying to completely reinterpret and reimagine everything that has been done here like this is beyond just a strawman at this point. It's like the meme "so what youre saying is" and then proceeds to say something that you wonder how the fuck they came to that conclusion

Quote from: Habitual Gamer on September 13, 2021, 10:07:01 AM

Quote from: Brand55 on September 12, 2021, 10:16:22 PM
13th Age by Pelgrane Press is apolitical. I've got every book in the line so far, and there's nothing political in there that I've noticed. The listed quote under their entry is from Cthulhu Confidential, another Pelgrane Press book. It's a book designed for two-person gaming (one GM, one player) with three predesigned characters to pick from. If I recall correctly, there is a sidebar discussing using one of the other characters to play through a different character's scenario. The book is talking about how it's fine to have the white male character get beaten up and abused but you should think twice before doing that to one of the others (a white woman and black guy).

Yeah.  And the Red-worthy single quote they have they can't actually attribute to anything.

Cite your sources that show it's a company wide stance (as opposed to one freelance author with no oversight) or it's just a spastic witch-hunt.

I've feel like i've heard more on pelgrane press though i'm not sure that would bump them higher than yellow. And publishing #Feminism, i'm afraid to see what kind of intersectional cancer we will find in that book. I'll see if I can find a source on that quote if not then I shouldn't use it for the guide. Does anyone have any more information on pelgrane press?

Quote from: Korgoth on September 13, 2021, 09:50:06 AM
"Hiring Daniel Kwan"

Ugh... The ultimate dweeb. He makes my skin crawl...

He's another grifter doing what grifters do.

Quote from: tenbones on September 13, 2021, 10:47:59 AM
He's another grifter doing what grifters do.

Indeed... One minute saying, how shit and 'racist' wotc are. Then sucks of their teet. Theres principals for you. LOL

Quote from: Ocule on September 13, 2021, 10:13:27 AM

Quote from: Habitual Gamer on September 13, 2021, 10:03:18 AM
Arc Dream Publishing - Delta Green: they don't like Trump, maybe, but their entry as red still feels hyperbolic.  I mean, Delta Green also has groups like the Tcho Tcho and Black Cod Islanders to reflect how Mythos corruption isn't exclusive to one ethnicity, and they take some minor flak for it without buckling (yet).  I don't see a company like Paizo or Evil Hat -not- caving in to their consumer base over half-assed claims of racism.  I'd argue they're yellow at most, unless folks want to make this a "either you don't dislike Trump or you're woke" sort of thing.

I have considered moving them to yellow, after looking at the pages on Trump it wasn't really that though if memory serves they were slobbing on obamas nob there. It really just grinds my gears when they take real world pot shots at people in a book agree or no.

Quote from: Korgoth on September 13, 2021, 09:50:06 AM
It's interesting how disingenuous commenters from other forums are about this list.

It recently made reddit and for example they took "Hiring Daniel Kwan" as "hired an Asian person". For those who don't know, Daniel Kwan is the guy who got several old DnD books to remove PoD and to put up the disclaimer about how racist all WotC products are.

Another interesting fact, Daniel Kwan's company, Dundas west games, is named after a politician who delayed the abolition of slavery. He should change the name or admit his white supremacy and internalized racism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Dundas%2C_1st_Viscount_Melville#Controversy_over_legacy

It's like they're trying to completely reinterpret and reimagine everything that has been done here like this is beyond just a strawman at this point. It's like the meme "so what youre saying is" and then proceeds to say something that you wonder how the fuck they came to that conclusion

Quote from: Habitual Gamer on September 13, 2021, 10:07:01 AM

Quote from: Brand55 on September 12, 2021, 10:16:22 PM
13th Age by Pelgrane Press is apolitical. I've got every book in the line so far, and there's nothing political in there that I've noticed. The listed quote under their entry is from Cthulhu Confidential, another Pelgrane Press book. It's a book designed for two-person gaming (one GM, one player) with three predesigned characters to pick from. If I recall correctly, there is a sidebar discussing using one of the other characters to play through a different character's scenario. The book is talking about how it's fine to have the white male character get beaten up and abused but you should think twice before doing that to one of the others (a white woman and black guy).

Yeah.  And the Red-worthy single quote they have they can't actually attribute to anything.

Cite your sources that show it's a company wide stance (as opposed to one freelance author with no oversight) or it's just a spastic witch-hunt.

I've feel like i've heard more on pelgrane press though i'm not sure that would bump them higher than yellow. And publishing #Feminism, i'm afraid to see what kind of intersectional cancer we will find in that book. I'll see if I can find a source on that quote if not then I shouldn't use it for the guide. Does anyone have any more information on pelgrane press?

Re: #Feminism beggining at around minute 33 I'll plug one of my videos.

Quote from: Brand55 on September 12, 2021, 10:16:22 PM
13th Age by Pelgrane Press is apolitical. I've got every book in the line so far, and there's nothing political in there that I've noticed. The listed quote under their entry is from Cthulhu Confidential, another Pelgrane Press book. It's a book designed for two-person gaming (one GM, one player) with three predesigned characters to pick from. If I recall correctly, there is a sidebar discussing using one of the other characters to play through a different character's scenario. The book is talking about how it's fine to have the white male character get beaten up and abused but you should think twice before doing that to one of the others (a white woman and black guy).

It's more than a side bar and the whole tone of it is that it's fine to beat the shit out of not just straight white guy characters but actual SWG's in general.  So you whole contention  is because it is not in the books of the 13th Age they should not be on the Red List. Blah to that.