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[List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies

Started by Ocule, August 03, 2021, 12:26:41 PM

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Jam The MF

Quote from: Ben_Wenham on September 10, 2021, 03:39:38 PM
Shopped!

And no, his psudonym isn't on them either.

Here are the live credits...

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/phb/credits

;)


Early printings of the 5E PHB have his credit plainly listed, along with Zak S.  My hard copy of the 5E PHB has their credits included.  It's a fact.
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Quote from: Mithgarthr on September 10, 2021, 06:57:20 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on September 10, 2021, 05:50:46 PM
Quote from: Ben_Wenham on September 10, 2021, 03:01:47 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on September 10, 2021, 04:12:36 AM
Quote from: Ben_Wenham on September 09, 2021, 03:49:39 PM
Hey Chuddo,

Just here to submit myself to the red section, what with my work having helped to raise tens' of thousands of dollars for bail funds during the George Floyd uprising, and the fact that I am actively engaged in anti-fascist activism.

So if you could add my zine; The City of the Red Pox, I would appreciate it.

K thx, bye.

Irrelevant people don't get on the list.

Was amused to see in my emails notification that you had responded.

To your point, your presence on the list confused my on that point.

After all; I, an absolute nobody freelancer, have worked on the same number of Gold sellers(you've had 4 right) on drive thru, plus a platinum seller, which you don't seem to have done. Add to that, the fact two of those golds are in off set print runs for a relatively large publisher, so you know, have probably sold the odd copy.

Then there is the fact that, The City of the Red Pox, has according to the publicly available sales data out sold The Invisible College. 

Keep in mind that The City of the Red Pox was my first solo project, came out of no where, wasn't supported by a you tube channel, blog and little cult of personality.

So if I as an irrelevance, which I freely admit to being, am not to be added to the list....Why are you on it?

:: WINK ::


You're hilarious. After getting yourself banned for trying to post private information about me, I probably don't need to respond to this but I will: you worked as a collaborator on some big projects.

This is like a guy who held up the mikes during the recording of some corporate record claiming he has credits on just as many gold records as an indie singer/songwriter who people have actually heard of.

Not to mention that in almost every one of these projects you were probably paid a pittance. "Freelance writers" who work "for the industry" in the world of RPGs want to pretend that they're the "real" game designers, when really they're just hired monkeys who write for almost nothing. What was it, one cent a word? two? five? Or just for the "exposure" of getting your name in a credits section of a book?

Your one solo project was a complete failure, much like yourself. Your entire life's work in gaming has probably earned you, at most, around what I make from RPGs in a month.

No one knows who you are. When you die, no one will even notice you're not around in the hobby anymore. That's how irrelevant you are.

Goddamn... that was amazing...

That just earned you a sale, buddy.



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Quote from: Jaeger on September 10, 2021, 07:49:58 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on September 10, 2021, 05:43:34 PM
Quote from: PonchoGoblin on September 10, 2021, 01:53:10 PM
What is with all the woke art being bad with weird proportions like the heads looking too big and stuff like that?

They hate art as a representation of an aesthetic ideal. They want to present everything as deformed, ugly or corrupted because they hope it means people will stop striving to improve themselves, or look up to those who do.

Ugly depictions in the game art is a Big Red Flag for potential SJW involvement.

i.e. Five Torches Deep RPG.

When it first came out there were no overt indications about the politics of the authors.

It got good reviews, was a decent design, rode the OSR/O5R wave a bit and has sold very well.

If you read the sales blurb on drive-thru or the games website, there are no indications of politics of any kind. Neither are there any over politics in the book itself.

It was only when the supplements came out and the games authors took to twitter that all the SJW wankery was fully revealed.

But if you look at the art in the book there is a tell.

What is the typical depiction of elves in fantasy books and RPGs?

Beautiful and fair.  Regardless about their setting behavior, elves being good looking is basically a universal given.

But in 5 torches deep: The elves are drawn plain and Ugly.

The authors telegraphed who they were long before they removed all doubt.

These people can't help themselves, if you know what to look for they almost always give themselves away in some fashion.
Shadow of the Demon Lord deliberately chooses to make its elves inhuman and creepy looking, but it's rather fitting to the setting (these are the amoral, near-immortal beings that steal children and, in some cases, pretend to be dieties to draw power from humans) and not, IMO, any attempt to make a political statement.

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Quote from: HappyDaze on September 11, 2021, 05:03:44 AM
Quote from: Jaeger on September 10, 2021, 07:49:58 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on September 10, 2021, 05:43:34 PM
Quote from: PonchoGoblin on September 10, 2021, 01:53:10 PM
What is with all the woke art being bad with weird proportions like the heads looking too big and stuff like that?

They hate art as a representation of an aesthetic ideal. They want to present everything as deformed, ugly or corrupted because they hope it means people will stop striving to improve themselves, or look up to those who do.

Ugly depictions in the game art is a Big Red Flag for potential SJW involvement.

i.e. Five Torches Deep RPG.

When it first came out there were no overt indications about the politics of the authors.

It got good reviews, was a decent design, rode the OSR/O5R wave a bit and has sold very well.

If you read the sales blurb on drive-thru or the games website, there are no indications of politics of any kind. Neither are there any over politics in the book itself.

It was only when the supplements came out and the games authors took to twitter that all the SJW wankery was fully revealed.

But if you look at the art in the book there is a tell.

What is the typical depiction of elves in fantasy books and RPGs?

Beautiful and fair.  Regardless about their setting behavior, elves being good looking is basically a universal given.

But in 5 torches deep: The elves are drawn plain and Ugly.

The authors telegraphed who they were long before they removed all doubt.

These people can't help themselves, if you know what to look for they almost always give themselves away in some fashion.
Shadow of the Demon Lord deliberately chooses to make its elves inhuman and creepy looking, but it's rather fitting to the setting (these are the amoral, near-immortal beings that steal children and, in some cases, pretend to be dieties to draw power from humans) and not, IMO, any attempt to make a political statement.


Creepy, sinister-looking elves are entirely appropriate. But they should be terrifying and beautiful.
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Ocule

Looks like adtab tried to make a counterpart of this one. Though I think some of the entries are particularly exclusive games it's kind of funny. I guess they didn't like sharing the list with games like myfarog

https://rpgredlist.com/?fbclid=IwAR0xxdZjv_Yh_sjTWYQqOyfctvJ2qVvfGbs_3afDayWbunO-yh2EyoLwhVU
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FingerRod

Quote from: Ocule on September 11, 2021, 08:27:32 AM
Looks like adtab tried to make a counterpart of this one. Though I think some of the entries are particularly exclusive games it's kind of funny. I guess they didn't like sharing the list with games like myfarog

https://rpgredlist.com/?fbclid=IwAR0xxdZjv_Yh_sjTWYQqOyfctvJ2qVvfGbs_3afDayWbunO-yh2EyoLwhVU

No WotC lol

PonchoGoblin

Quote from: Ocule on September 11, 2021, 08:27:32 AM
Looks like adtab tried to make a counterpart of this one. Though I think some of the entries are particularly exclusive games it's kind of funny. I guess they didn't like sharing the list with games like myfarog

https://rpgredlist.com/?fbclid=IwAR0xxdZjv_Yh_sjTWYQqOyfctvJ2qVvfGbs_3afDayWbunO-yh2EyoLwhVU

Isn't the sole premise of Thirsty Sword Lesbians to be as exclusive as possible as stated by Evil Hat? Unless they're playing with definitions again regarding "inclusivity"
Forever GM that owns way too many books.

ArtemisWyrm

If you pay someone you pay someone to do their job in a company. Unless Diogo was diversity czar of necrotic gnome then I don't care about his involvement.

We don't participate in leftist style cancel culture here.

Persimmon

Regarding Gavin Norman,

I'll see if I can find the guy's name.  There was a dude who worked with him in the early stages of OSE and then he publicly supported someone else in some free speech dispute and Gavin kicked him to the curb.  It may have well just been to remain completely apolitical.  So, whatever, just throwing it out there.  I do like OSE and see nothing overtly political in the game itself.

As for Diogo, I just don't care for his art.  Sadly, he and some others have ruined a good portion of the Hyperborea 3e art, which is a shame.  I nearly cancelled my pledge and did downgrade it after Jeff released some of the new artwork.  In my opinion Jeff's teenage daughter is a better artist than Diogo.

HappyDaze

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on September 11, 2021, 09:47:19 AM
Quote from: Ocule on September 11, 2021, 08:27:32 AM
Looks like adtab tried to make a counterpart of this one. Though I think some of the entries are particularly exclusive games it's kind of funny. I guess they didn't like sharing the list with games like myfarog

https://rpgredlist.com/?fbclid=IwAR0xxdZjv_Yh_sjTWYQqOyfctvJ2qVvfGbs_3afDayWbunO-yh2EyoLwhVU

Isn't the sole premise of Thirsty Sword Lesbians to be as exclusive as possible as stated by Evil Hat? Unless they're playing with definitions again regarding "inclusivity"
What the fuck is wrong with you? What the hell would make you want to play someone that's fully hydrated?

DM_Curt

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 11, 2021, 11:35:23 AM
Quote from: PonchoGoblin on September 11, 2021, 09:47:19 AM
Quote from: Ocule on September 11, 2021, 08:27:32 AM
Looks like adtab tried to make a counterpart of this one. Though I think some of the entries are particularly exclusive games it's kind of funny. I guess they didn't like sharing the list with games like myfarog

https://rpgredlist.com/?fbclid=IwAR0xxdZjv_Yh_sjTWYQqOyfctvJ2qVvfGbs_3afDayWbunO-yh2EyoLwhVU

Isn't the sole premise of Thirsty Sword Lesbians to be as exclusive as possible as stated by Evil Hat? Unless they're playing with definitions again regarding "inclusivity"
What the fuck is wrong with you? What the hell would make you want to play someone that's fully hydrated?
"Just say No to fully hydrated characters, my guy. Indigenous people's often have trouble finding adequate sources of fresh water because of climate change and Corporate Greed. Hydration is White Privilege, Bigot." -Someone on Twitter, probably.

PonchoGoblin

Quote from: Persimmon on September 11, 2021, 10:29:21 AM
Regarding Gavin Norman,

I'll see if I can find the guy's name.  There was a dude who worked with him in the early stages of OSE and then he publicly supported someone else in some free speech dispute and Gavin kicked him to the curb.  It may have well just been to remain completely apolitical.  So, whatever, just throwing it out there.  I do like OSE and see nothing overtly political in the game itself.

As for Diogo, I just don't care for his art.  Sadly, he and some others have ruined a good portion of the Hyperborea 3e art, which is a shame.  I nearly cancelled my pledge and did downgrade it after Jeff released some of the new artwork.  In my opinion Jeff's teenage daughter is a better artist than Diogo.

Fully agree although I did still back at the same level. Jeff honestly should've either kept the badass old charcoal art that he already had or had his daughter do the art for the characters. Would've been better, more coherent, and it's nice to support people new to the hobby.

Edit: spelling
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RPGPundit

Quote from: FingerRod on September 11, 2021, 08:51:39 AM
Quote from: Ocule on September 11, 2021, 08:27:32 AM
Looks like adtab tried to make a counterpart of this one. Though I think some of the entries are particularly exclusive games it's kind of funny. I guess they didn't like sharing the list with games like myfarog

https://rpgredlist.com/?fbclid=IwAR0xxdZjv_Yh_sjTWYQqOyfctvJ2qVvfGbs_3afDayWbunO-yh2EyoLwhVU

No WotC lol

I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Though it's funny how less inclusive their list is than yours.
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Persimmon

Found it: it was Greg Gorgonmilk: https://rendedpress.blogspot.com/2017/09/greg-gorgonmilk-and-i-were-online.html

I think Pundit did an interview with him as well.  Just kind of rubbed me the wrong way.  At least Gavin sort of explains his rationale here.  Others around here probably know more details than me.

Ocule

Quote from: Persimmon on September 11, 2021, 01:04:22 PM
Found it: it was Greg Gorgonmilk: https://rendedpress.blogspot.com/2017/09/greg-gorgonmilk-and-i-were-online.html

I think Pundit did an interview with him as well.  Just kind of rubbed me the wrong way.  At least Gavin sort of explains his rationale here.  Others around here probably know more details than me.

I think for now just calling it a personal  disagreement is enough and I'm satisfied with that. We don't know the details and what was said between them. And from the sound of it probably none of our business anyway. Everything I've seen from necrotic gnome and Gavin up to this point. And I gotta hand it to him he does a pretty good job overall keeping even his pages pretty politics free. Sure it sounds like he's on the left but i haven't gotten the feeling that I'm unwelcome. I could be wrong I've only talked to him a few times about his games and he seemed like a nice enough guy.

Also no guilty by association everyone stands on their own merits
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