[List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies

PonchoGoblin · September 09, 2021, 04:59:57 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 09, 2021, 04:59:00 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on September 09, 2021, 04:51:09 PM
Quote from: Ben_Wenham on September 09, 2021, 04:33:37 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on September 09, 2021, 04:23:45 PM
Quote from: Ben_Wenham on September 09, 2021, 04:14:31 PM
I am so glad you guys are happy here in your little safe space.
Welcome! Stick around for a bit. It might help you remember what it's like to enjoy free speech.

We might poke fun at your zine or your presumptuousness in asking to be put on the list, but a lot of us here will happily engage you on topics of gaming. And you don't need to fear stepping on the wrong toes or walking on egg shells. I think they do ban people around here (maybe? not sure TBH) but not for just having a differing opinion.

Was going to leave it on the last post, but this deserves an actual response.

But, how should I put this. I'm not worried about my speech in online RPG spaces. Like, I don't even give it a second thought, cause there really isn't in any meaningful way a restriction on free speech in the medium. It is close to impossible to have your speech shut down in the industry.

No, as someone who actually fights for free speech, I am vastly more worried about actual, real world restriction on free speech, such as the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill. That is in the process of criminalising all effective strikes and protests, as well as giving the police powers to engage in ethnic cleansing against the GRT community

Get a sense of proportion, my guy.

My sense of proportion on this forum concerns table top RPGs including your RPG zine now that you've shared it with us. I think that's reasonable given the scope of this site.

Good for you for fighting for free speech IRL. It's important.
I'd wager hard cash he only fights for free speech he agrees with, though.

I'd wager that as well, and I'm not even the betting type.

rytrasmi · September 09, 2021, 05:06:55 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 09, 2021, 04:59:00 PM
I'd wager hard cash he only fights for free speech he agrees with, though.

Yeah, that's likely. Just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt in case he's not just a drive-by hater.

King_Stannis · September 09, 2021, 05:12:32 PM

Quote from: Ben_Wenham on September 09, 2021, 04:33:37 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on September 09, 2021, 04:23:45 PM
Quote from: Ben_Wenham on September 09, 2021, 04:14:31 PM
I am so glad you guys are happy here in your little safe space.
Welcome! Stick around for a bit. It might help you remember what it's like to enjoy free speech.

We might poke fun at your zine or your presumptuousness in asking to be put on the list, but a lot of us here will happily engage you on topics of gaming. And you don't need to fear stepping on the wrong toes or walking on egg shells. I think they do ban people around here (maybe? not sure TBH) but not for just having a differing opinion.

Was going to leave it on the last post, but this deserves an actual response.

But, how should I put this. I'm not worried about my speech in online RPG spaces. Like, I don't even give it a second thought, cause there really isn't in any meaningful way a restriction on free speech in the medium. It is close to impossible to have your speech shut down in the industry.

No, as someone who actually fights for free speech, I am vastly more worried about actual, real world restriction on free speech, such as the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill. That is in the process of criminalising all effective strikes and protests, as well as giving the police powers to engage in ethnic cleansing against the GRT community

Get a sense of proportion, my guy.

By your own admission you don't actually fight for free speech. You fight to secure bail for people who burn down businesses. Some of them, ironically enough, minority owned.

"Anti-fascist", "my guy"... LOL

Hopladamus · September 09, 2021, 05:18:22 PM

Quote from: Ocule on September 09, 2021, 04:00:23 PM
Yeah not adding every rando who walks in. Maybe he can just get a red to shirt that says cunt on it I think that's plenty of warning

To be fair, he does have a page on both Pathfinder wikis, so maybe he is notable enough to be put on the list. His imprint is Dark Forests Press if DriveThruRPG is to be believed. I'm not sure how hard it is to get a Pathfinder wiki page though.

John Wick should definitely be added to the list. It's fine if people request to be added as long as they are at least somewhat notable in the industry. Of course, they shouldn't get to decide which list they go on.

tenbones · September 09, 2021, 05:24:36 PM

Quote from: Ben_Wenham on September 09, 2021, 04:33:37 PM
Was going to leave it on the last post, but this deserves an actual response.

LOL... no you weren't. Just like you won't leave this as your last post.

Thirsty man smells water.

That ain't water "my guy". But by all means, drink up.

PonchoGoblin · September 09, 2021, 05:28:54 PM

Quote from: Hopladamus on September 09, 2021, 05:18:22 PM
Quote from: Ocule on September 09, 2021, 04:00:23 PM
Yeah not adding every rando who walks in. Maybe he can just get a red to shirt that says cunt on it I think that's plenty of warning

To be fair, he does have a page on both Pathfinder wikis, so maybe he is notable enough to be put on the list. His imprint is Dark Forests Press if DriveThruRPG is to be believed. I'm not sure how hard it is to get a Pathfinder wiki page though.

John Wick should definitely be added to the list. It's fine if people request to be added as long as they are at least somewhat notable in the industry. Of course, they shouldn't get to decide which list they go on.

John Wick doesn't really have any of his licenses anymore though. I'm pretty sure he is already covered under Chaosium too, considering they have the current license for 7th Sea and as far as I can tell that's all he does now aside from rant.

Hell last I checked his own website didn't even work

rytrasmi · September 09, 2021, 05:33:35 PM

Y'all a bunch of heinous list makers too dumb to realize that all games are political.

https://www.prismaticwasteland.com/blog/apolitical-rpgs-do-not-exist

Jaeger · September 09, 2021, 05:35:14 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on September 09, 2021, 05:28:54 PM

John Wick doesn't really have any of his licenses anymore though. I'm pretty sure he is already covered under Chaosium too, considering they have the current license for 7th Sea and as far as I can tell that's all he does now aside from rant.

Hell last I checked his own website didn't even work

And that's all you need to know...

Keep the irrelevant and has-beens off the list.

Especially the tiny guys popping up "demanding" that they be categorized correctly as red.

PonchoGoblin · September 09, 2021, 05:38:31 PM

Quote from: rytrasmi on September 09, 2021, 05:33:35 PM
Y'all a bunch of heinous list makers too dumb to realize that all games are political.

https://www.prismaticwasteland.com/blog/apolitical-rpgs-do-not-exist

Tl;Dr for that blog post:

"Everything is political because my political lense says that it is! Also the entire hobby is racist and colonialist! I totally don't care about this list and all lists are bad except when we make one!"

As Grim Jim put in the comment on John Wick's video, there is a stark contrast between politics in a make-believe fantasy world, aka the politics within a fictional space, and cramming real world politics into the likes of escapism.

King_Stannis · September 09, 2021, 05:41:35 PM

Quote from: Jaeger on September 09, 2021, 05:35:14 PM
Quote from: PonchoGoblin on September 09, 2021, 05:28:54 PM

John Wick doesn't really have any of his licenses anymore though. I'm pretty sure he is already covered under Chaosium too, considering they have the current license for 7th Sea and as far as I can tell that's all he does now aside from rant.

Hell last I checked his own website didn't even work

And that's all you need to know...

Keep the irrelevant and has-beens off the list.

Especially the tiny guys popping up "demanding" that they be categorized correctly as red.

Exactly. Otherwise you'll be getting people who had one thing published in "Dragon" back in 1999 demanding to be put on the red list for a 15pt Virtue Signal.

But it is funny seeing how much this list has bothered them. It brought me back to this site after a 15yr hiatus. It's a great thing.

Ocule · September 09, 2021, 05:46:29 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on September 09, 2021, 05:38:31 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on September 09, 2021, 05:33:35 PM
Y'all a bunch of heinous list makers too dumb to realize that all games are political.

https://www.prismaticwasteland.com/blog/apolitical-rpgs-do-not-exist

Tl;Dr for that blog post:

"Everything is political because my political lense says that it is! Also the entire hobby is racist and colonialist! I totally don't care about this list and all lists are bad except when we make one!"

As Grim Jim put in the comment on John Wick's video, there is a stark contrast between politics in a make-believe fantasy world, aka the politics within a fictional space, and cramming real world politics into the likes of escapism.

That post gave me cancer lol. I'd explain all the points where he was just straight up wrong but I'd be throwing my pearls to swine.

Though it might be worth a different thread for the topic of how to write political games or commentary the right way. Assuming that is what your players actually want to play and you aren't just forcing them to listen to you preach. Which if you're preaching you're already doing it wrong but hey details

Hopladamus · September 09, 2021, 05:52:31 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on September 09, 2021, 05:28:54 PM
Quote from: Hopladamus on September 09, 2021, 05:18:22 PM
Quote from: Ocule on September 09, 2021, 04:00:23 PM
Yeah not adding every rando who walks in. Maybe he can just get a red to shirt that says cunt on it I think that's plenty of warning

To be fair, he does have a page on both Pathfinder wikis, so maybe he is notable enough to be put on the list. His imprint is Dark Forests Press if DriveThruRPG is to be believed. I'm not sure how hard it is to get a Pathfinder wiki page though.

John Wick should definitely be added to the list. It's fine if people request to be added as long as they are at least somewhat notable in the industry. Of course, they shouldn't get to decide which list they go on.

John Wick doesn't really have any of his licenses anymore though. I'm pretty sure he is already covered under Chaosium too, considering they have the current license for 7th Sea and as far as I can tell that's all he does now aside from rant.

Hell last I checked his own website didn't even work

What about the other guy? Is the Pathfinder wiki page enough to establish notability?

PonchoGoblin · September 09, 2021, 05:54:52 PM

Quote from: Ocule on September 09, 2021, 05:46:29 PM
Quote from: PonchoGoblin on September 09, 2021, 05:38:31 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on September 09, 2021, 05:33:35 PM
Y'all a bunch of heinous list makers too dumb to realize that all games are political.

https://www.prismaticwasteland.com/blog/apolitical-rpgs-do-not-exist

Tl;Dr for that blog post:

"Everything is political because my political lense says that it is! Also the entire hobby is racist and colonialist! I totally don't care about this list and all lists are bad except when we make one!"

As Grim Jim put in the comment on John Wick's video, there is a stark contrast between politics in a make-believe fantasy world, aka the politics within a fictional space, and cramming real world politics into the likes of escapism.

That post gave me cancer lol. I'd explain all the points where he was just straight up wrong but I'd be throwing my pearls to swine.

Though it might be worth a different thread for the topic of how to write political games or commentary the right way. Assuming that is what your players actually want to play and you aren't just forcing them to listen to you preach. Which if you're preaching you're already doing it wrong but hey details

I mean it's entirely fine, and with certain games encouraged, so have some sort of political/intrigue system. It's pretty much the defining factor in various RPGs (L5R, Worlds Without Number, Pendragon, Cyberpunk kinda)

It's when it gets preachy or involves real world where it gets cringe, ie Thirty Sword Lesbians, Coyote and Crow's work, MyFarog, etc.

Also complete side note, I find it funny about the various people bragging about hiring inclusivity readers. Just has me reacting like "Glad to know you like wasting your money lol".

PonchoGoblin · September 09, 2021, 05:55:55 PM

Quote from: Hopladamus on September 09, 2021, 05:52:31 PM
Quote from: PonchoGoblin on September 09, 2021, 05:28:54 PM
Quote from: Hopladamus on September 09, 2021, 05:18:22 PM
Quote from: Ocule on September 09, 2021, 04:00:23 PM
Yeah not adding every rando who walks in. Maybe he can just get a red to shirt that says cunt on it I think that's plenty of warning

To be fair, he does have a page on both Pathfinder wikis, so maybe he is notable enough to be put on the list. His imprint is Dark Forests Press if DriveThruRPG is to be believed. I'm not sure how hard it is to get a Pathfinder wiki page though.

John Wick should definitely be added to the list. It's fine if people request to be added as long as they are at least somewhat notable in the industry. Of course, they shouldn't get to decide which list they go on.

John Wick doesn't really have any of his licenses anymore though. I'm pretty sure he is already covered under Chaosium too, considering they have the current license for 7th Sea and as far as I can tell that's all he does now aside from rant.

Hell last I checked his own website didn't even work

What about the other guy? Is the Pathfinder wiki page enough to establish notability?

Someone can literally just add themselves to a wiki, it's not hard, so I'd say it's a non-entity but that's just me.

rytrasmi · September 09, 2021, 06:10:09 PM

Quote from: Ocule on September 09, 2021, 05:46:29 PM
That post gave me cancer lol. I'd explain all the points where he was just straight up wrong but I'd be throwing my pearls to swine.

Though it might be worth a different thread for the topic of how to write political games or commentary the right way. Assuming that is what your players actually want to play and you aren't just forcing them to listen to you preach. Which if you're preaching you're already doing it wrong but hey details

Yeah, it's pretty sad. If a game like Don't Wake Daddy can be interpreted politically, then its creator can be canceled, sent to the gulag, or lauded as a revolutionary, depending on who's in power.

It's disturbing that people think this way.