Quote from: Ocule on September 09, 2021, 12:17:46 PM
There started to prune off the more irrelevant entries as well as games whose basic premise is to be political or racist like Coyote and Crow have been removed. Also added an FAQ of the things that have all actually been said or asked.

Pretty sure john wick wanted me to come try and fight him at gencon or something. Saw that video, fucking weirdo. Is it normal for people to try and pick fights with people they know nothing about? I could be like an axe murderer or something and by the look of him, i'm not sure hes ever been in a fight in his life. Reminds me of a song my wife really likes called Remedy by TOOL.

John Wick if you are reading this I have no intention or desire to fight you or your geriatric friends. To me, you are nobody. A stranger, a name I've seen in passing and completely irrelevant in my life. Anyway enjoy gencon, i'm not going to waste any more time on you than it took to write this. I hope you provide lots of nostalgia to those who know you for what you used to be.

I know why you married your wife. Good song. Just listened to it.

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Quote from: Oddend on September 09, 2021, 10:14:45 AM
The users here - even the contributors to the list in this thread - are not a monolithic entity. It doesn't make much sense to mock a group of people for having wildly divergent opinions, but then, in the same breath, accuse them of blindly adopting the views of a "leader".

All hail the leader!

Wait, who's the leader again?

Our system of organization...

We are led by Meatball and Big Chungus?

I will not deny that this thought was in the back of my head as I went looking for an appropriate meme.

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Quote from: Oddend on September 09, 2021, 10:14:45 AM
The users here - even the contributors to the list in this thread - are not a monolithic entity. It doesn't make much sense to mock a group of people for having wildly divergent opinions, but then, in the same breath, accuse them of blindly adopting the views of a "leader".

That is a fair statement, and I do understand that. But by the same token, to literally say that it is "Not" an enemies list.

You'll have to forgive an outsider, such as Mr. Wick and others, for seeing it as such when people who are true insiders see it as such.

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To insist that the list is a malicious "enemies list" just because a malicious person could use it that way is like insisting that public voting records are an "enemies list" simply because malicious political activists can (and openly do) use them that way.

Now, I don't know that anyone has made that assertion. In fact, I've made the presumption that the majority of you are pretty much the same as the rest of us, otherwise I wouldn't have popped in here with an alias I use in many places, which makes me rather easy to track down. I mean, I'd rather that no one does because... I am not courting trouble here, but I am presuming that I haven't irritated any of you enough.

I've been a little trollish, but I also presume that it's not entirely out of place, one of the benefits of hanging out with a lot of folks willing to ruffle feathers is that the conversations tend to be a little loose and back and forth. I mean, y'all can give and y'all can take, and I wouldn't expect any different.

I'm also aware that I am a guest, and the patience of my hosts limits the length of my stay. If RPG Pundit or one of the moderators he's got helping him decides that I've crossed a line, then it's time to take my leave, and I wish to avoid making work for them, so I don't anticipate crossing any lines.

So with all of that said: I joined you, came in and made a few contrary statements, and I've gotten a bit of dirt slung, but nothing I didn't sign up for. Without seeming sarcastic, I appreciate it and expected it, and am not surprised in the least.

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It only makes sense to list those who are (still) producing popular stuff that a non-politically-motivated customer is at risk of buying. In fact, many of those in the red list have no reason to be there (nobody who isn't an open Stalinist is going to accidentally buy Thirsty Sword Lesbians, for example).

I'll grant that even listing things for the sake of "Take a look at THIS" is still worthwhile. I mean, like I've said elsewhere, if it's something that a company makes a public stand on, then they shouldn't be ashamed of showing up on a list with it next to their name.

As I said, the author of the thread and the owner of the site have both made it clear that this is not a blacklist/whitelist, but rather, an information list. If someone wants to use it as an enemy list, they can, but John Wick has explicitly labeled the list itself as an "enemies list", which is factually inaccurate, as anyone with authority over the list has explicitly stated that this list is not intended for that purpose.

If I used a hardcover version of one of John Wick's games to bludgeon a child to death, would it be fair to say that John Wick produces weapons for murdering children?

Now, I can understand that he was maybe uninformed/misinformed about the nature of the list, but in that case, the correct thing to do would be to come here and ask the author about what this list is supposed to be. Keep in mind that this is the most charitable explanation. In my opinion, the much more plausible explanation would be that he's trying to assign some hidden right-wing extremist agenda upon the author of the thread and the owner of the site. So, at best he had a knee-jerk reaction to a drama he knew little/nothing about, or at worst, he probably sees the people on this website as his own "enemies list".

I think that the description of his video clearly suggests the latter:

"A very conservative gaming website has made an "Enemies List." I'm not on it. That was a mistake."

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That comic is quite accurate, just perhaps not in the way you think. There's a term for it, but I'll leave it to you to think through it.

The accusations of projection are very often themselves a projection. You yourself have stated that you've been somewhat trollish throughout this thread, so you'll have to understand if I interpret your posts in this way.

There is a lawyer on youtube who calls it confession through projection, it's an apt description.

I would like to propose that the list be broken down into five categories:

Green (ideologically neutral and essentially blameless)

Yellow (bends the knee, makes concession to the screaming woke without advocating their position or trying to punish a subset of players)

Orange (actively promotes at least one anti-western agenda and has at least supported shoving out a publisher or group of players)

Red (Straight up woke and actively trying to eject publishers or groups from gaming)

White (Enemies of humanity who's output is unrecognizable to being a deconstruction of the hobby and western civilization)

Because we all know they'd love to be put on the "White List" or known as "White Publishers" or identify themselves as "Proud Whites".

Quote from: MWMattei on September 09, 2021, 03:18:30 PM
I would like to propose that the list be broken down into five categories:

Green (ideologically neutral and essentially blameless)

Yellow (bends the knee, makes concession to the screaming woke without advocating their position or trying to punish a subset of players)

Orange (actively promotes at least one anti-western agenda and has at least supported shoving out a publisher or group of players)

Red (Straight up woke and actively trying to eject publishers or groups from gaming)

White (Enemies of humanity who's output is unrecognizable to being a deconstruction of the hobby and western civilization)

Because we all know they'd love to be put on the "White List" or known as "White Publishers" or identify themselves as "Proud Whites".

I think Ocule originally was going to rate it A-F like a report card, but that would've required a ridiculous amount of research to pull off. Your proposal does the same scale just with colors. Although, the part about calling it a White List is funny it's own right.

Why stop there. Change Green to Black. A blacklist. SJWs would be like "Does not compute!!!! Contradiction!!! Does not compute!!! Brrrrrttt..." <Sound of Explosion>

Hey Chuddo,

Just here to submit myself to the red section, what with my work having helped to raise tens' of thousands of dollars for bail funds during the George Floyd uprising, and the fact that I am actively engaged in anti-fascist activism.

So if you could add my zine; The City of the Red Pox, I would appreciate it.

K thx, bye.

We'll be getting those for a while. No need to add nobodys to the list.

Quote from: Ben_Wenham on September 09, 2021, 03:49:39 PM
Hey Chuddo,

Just here to submit myself to the red section, what with my work having helped to raise tens' of thousands of dollars for bail funds during the George Floyd uprising, and the fact that I am actively engaged in anti-fascist activism.

So if you could add my zine; The City of the Red Pox, I would appreciate it.

K thx, bye.

"Who the fook is this guy?"

- Conner MacGregor.

Way to make it all about you, douche.

I don't think anyone pays any attention to your zine, I'd certainly never heard of it, but hey, it never hurts to ask.

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Hey Chuddo,

Just here to submit myself to the red section, what with my work having helped to raise tens' of thousands of dollars for bail funds during the George Floyd uprising, and the fact that I am actively engaged in anti-fascist activism.

So if you could add my zine; The City of the Red Pox, I would appreciate it.

K thx, bye.

Never heard of you, also Chuddo? Screams "how do you do fellow woke kids"

Yeah not adding every rando who walks in. Maybe he can just get a red to shirt that says cunt  on it I think that's plenty of warning

You enjoying being the laughing stock of the RPG community, fans and designers alike?

Quote from: palaeomerus on September 09, 2021, 03:59:19 PM
I don't think anyone pays any attention to your zine, I'd certainly never heard of it, but hey, it never hurts to ask.

I think this is what Ocule meant by people asking to be put on the list as a way to get free marketing from woke Twitter. Tbh there is a single copy of his zine out, that's 36 pages, that has hardly sold. Why bother?