Quote from: Ocule on August 18, 2021, 11:02:17 AM
I've heard Larry Correa is a really good guy, based on how GKG was acting about Venger i'm surprised they took up MHI considering that Mr. Correa is a more conservative author. I use the term loosely here, and a few of his anti woke posts. I can't find his posts on censorship atm since he moved his website from wordpress to monsterhunternation.com.  A more recent post shows stuff like this https://monsterhunternation.com/2021/01/12/it-is-all-about-controlling-the-public-square/ and i've seen some shit talking about him before about how his fans are "alt right" and stupid shit like that.

How do you have GKG who goes around threatening to punch "nazis" like Venger also hosting games like MHI. Only thing I can think of is that assaulting someone would just bring him attention, while MHI can be a cash cow. Though I will say I've flipped through the MHI book and the design team really didn't seem to understand Savage Worlds. It looks like it was written by someone who only knew savage worlds after being commissioned to design a setting for it.

Edited: Changed Jeremy to Venger, hard to keep up with all the threats of violence these days. I think someone punched jeremy hambley and their response was to ban jeremy from Gencon.

I'm a big fan of Larry and got a lot of respect for the guy but we don't share the same belief system.

On topic the guys that created the Flying Circus RPG are woke. I still like their game though. I'm just not going to buy it, probably just rebuild it in 5E

Here is an article from bounding into comics that covers the list

https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/09/09/player-curated-list-of-woke-and-non-woke-ttrpg-companies-sparks-discourse-among-listed-entities/

Based on Ben Laurence's reaction it may justify putting 'Through Ulton's Door' in the yellow list. I think we should make it a policy to put companies that have been green but demand to be in the red by screeching empty political platitudes in the yellow.

Quote from: VengerSatanis on September 09, 2021, 10:45:14 AM

I've been reading, skimming, and occasionally posting in this thread for a few days now.  Not sure how it came up, but Pundit asked me to swing by and clarify something.

Some time ago (maybe a year?), Diogo Nogueira publicly threatened me with physical violence if he ever saw me at a gaming convention. 
VS

I actually remember you mentioning it ages ago. I'll bet you were quaking in you boots though. Again, its like John Wick, it's all woke scold hot air. And all done for virtue signalling back slaps. But really it's also exceedingly immature behavior. Aron the Pedantic's vid response was very well put.

Quote from: Oddend on September 09, 2021, 10:14:45 AM
The users here - even the contributors to the list in this thread - are not a monolithic entity. It doesn't make much sense to mock a group of people for having wildly divergent opinions, but then, in the same breath, accuse them of blindly adopting the views of a "leader".

That is a fair statement, and I do understand that. But by the same token, to literally say that it is "Not" an enemies list.

You'll have to forgive an outsider, such as Mr. Wick and others, for seeing it as such when people who are true insiders see it as such.

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To insist that the list is a malicious "enemies list" just because a malicious person could use it that way is like insisting that public voting records are an "enemies list" simply because malicious political activists can (and openly do) use them that way.

Now, I don't know that anyone has made that assertion. In fact, I've made the presumption that the majority of you are pretty much the same as the rest of us, otherwise I wouldn't have popped in here with an alias I use in many places, which makes me rather easy to track down. I mean, I'd rather that no one does because... I am not courting trouble here, but I am presuming that I haven't irritated any of you enough.

I've been a little trollish, but I also presume that it's not entirely out of place, one of the benefits of hanging out with a lot of folks willing to ruffle feathers is that the conversations tend to be a little loose and back and forth. I mean, y'all can give and y'all can take, and I wouldn't expect any different.

I'm also aware that I am a guest, and the patience of my hosts limits the length of my stay. If RPG Pundit or one of the moderators he's got helping him decides that I've crossed a line, then it's time to take my leave, and I wish to avoid making work for them, so I don't anticipate crossing any lines.

So with all of that said: I joined you, came in and made a few contrary statements, and I've gotten a bit of dirt slung, but nothing I didn't sign up for. Without seeming sarcastic, I appreciate it and expected it, and am not surprised in the least.

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It only makes sense to list those who are (still) producing popular stuff that a non-politically-motivated customer is at risk of buying. In fact, many of those in the red list have no reason to be there (nobody who isn't an open Stalinist is going to accidentally buy Thirsty Sword Lesbians, for example).

I'll grant that even listing things for the sake of "Take a look at THIS" is still worthwhile. I mean, like I've said elsewhere, if it's something that a company makes a public stand on, then they shouldn't be ashamed of showing up on a list with it next to their name.

Quote from: Zalman on September 08, 2021, 01:13:16 PM

Quote from: TheAsimovian on September 08, 2021, 12:13:21 PM
There are many more companies/people here in the UK who should be on the red part of the list, but they would probably pretend to be delighted and use it for publicity.

Nothing wrong with that, the guide is meant to be useful to everyone. So, nominate away! (preferably with some specific evidence for each).

They are pretty easy to find, but I for one do not want to personally help give them any publicity. I know politics are different in different places, but some of the UK crowd are really quite bad on the general scale of things. Of course, most of it takes place behind closed doors on Discord channels that you need to have paid money for something to get access to. Made that mistake before and will not be making it again if I can help it.

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 09, 2021, 10:55:51 AM
Taco Bell has taught me to identify Supreme Leaders by looking for tomatoes and sour cream.

Oh gawd dude, this made me laugh out loud. Well done.

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on September 09, 2021, 11:39:47 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 09, 2021, 10:55:51 AM
Taco Bell has taught me to identify Supreme Leaders by looking for tomatoes and sour cream.

Oh gawd dude, this made me laugh out loud. Well done.

Same. That gave me a legitimate chuckle.

Quote from: Hopladamus on September 09, 2021, 05:11:33 AM
Okay, First of all, you sound like the most upset person in this entire thread. Second, both the owner of the website and the author of the thread have said that this list is just helping people make an informed decision on their purchases. That's more than enough to put them in the clear. If other people want to use the list for some other purpose then that's their business. If SJWs want to use it in reverse, then that's their business.

This is the vibe I get from you:
https://i.redd.it/g4wr074ofdp51.jpg

Dude, I thought of posting this exact thing. But.....the sjdubs willingly/deliberately will not accept this answer. They say it's a ban/hate/black list and that's the only answer they will accept.

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on September 09, 2021, 11:43:53 AM

Quote from: Hopladamus on September 09, 2021, 05:11:33 AM
Okay, First of all, you sound like the most upset person in this entire thread. Second, both the owner of the website and the author of the thread have said that this list is just helping people make an informed decision on their purchases. That's more than enough to put them in the clear. If other people want to use the list for some other purpose then that's their business. If SJWs want to use it in reverse, then that's their business.

This is the vibe I get from you:
https://i.redd.it/g4wr074ofdp51.jpg

Dude, I thought of posting this exact thing. But.....the sjdubs willingly/deliberately will not accept this answer. They say it's a ban/hate/black list and that's the only answer they will accept.

Agreed. There's no need to acknowledge the words of termites, scorpions, and tarantulas.

Quote from: palaeomerus on September 09, 2021, 02:29:40 AM

Quote from: jeff37923 on September 09, 2021, 01:34:17 AM
What about a category for gaming con artists like Ken Whitman. I can't say that he actively hates game consumers, but he sure is happy to rip them off.

Seems like a different but also very useful list. Bad Traders or Unfulfilled & Unrefunded projects of crowd funders type of thing? Consumer Protection type info that aggregates complaints and tried to verify them?

Well, for Ken Whitman in particular, there are already two of them.

https://notanotherdime.blogspot.com/

http://dontfundkenwhitman.blogspot.com/

Quote from: Chris24601 on September 09, 2021, 11:00:02 AM

Quote from: Pat on September 09, 2021, 10:39:19 AM

Quote from: Oddend on September 09, 2021, 10:14:45 AM
The users here - even the contributors to the list in this thread - are not a monolithic entity. It doesn't make much sense to mock a group of people for having wildly divergent opinions, but then, in the same breath, accuse them of blindly adopting the views of a "leader".

All hail the leader!

Wait, who's the leader again?

Our system of organization...

We are led by Meatball and Big Chungus?

There started to prune off the more irrelevant entries as well as games whose basic premise is to be political or racist like Coyote and Crow have been removed. Also added an FAQ of the things that have all actually been said or asked.

Pretty sure john wick wanted me to come try and fight him at gencon or something. Saw that video, fucking weirdo. Is it normal for people to try and pick fights with people they know nothing about? I could be like an axe murderer or something and by the look of him, i'm not sure hes ever been in a fight in his life. Reminds me of a song my wife really likes called Remedy by TOOL.

John Wick if you are reading this I have no intention or desire to fight you or your geriatric friends. To me, you are nobody. A stranger, a name I've seen in passing and completely irrelevant in my life. Anyway enjoy gencon, i'm not going to waste any more time on you than it took to write this. I hope you provide lots of nostalgia to those who know you for what you used to be.

Quote from: jeff37923 on September 09, 2021, 12:11:19 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on September 09, 2021, 11:00:02 AM

Quote from: Pat on September 09, 2021, 10:39:19 AM

Quote from: Oddend on September 09, 2021, 10:14:45 AM
The users here - even the contributors to the list in this thread - are not a monolithic entity. It doesn't make much sense to mock a group of people for having wildly divergent opinions, but then, in the same breath, accuse them of blindly adopting the views of a "leader".

All hail the leader!

Wait, who's the leader again?

Our system of organization...

We are led by Meatball and Big Chungus?

Cot Dang. Another laugh out loud. All Hail Meatball and Big Chungus!!!!

Quote from: jeff37923 on September 09, 2021, 12:07:35 PM

Quote from: palaeomerus on September 09, 2021, 02:29:40 AM

Quote from: jeff37923 on September 09, 2021, 01:34:17 AM
What about a category for gaming con artists like Ken Whitman. I can't say that he actively hates game consumers, but he sure is happy to rip them off.

Seems like a different but also very useful list. Bad Traders or Unfulfilled & Unrefunded projects of crowd funders type of thing? Consumer Protection type info that aggregates complaints and tried to verify them?

Well, for Ken Whitman in particular, there are already two of them.

https://notanotherdime.blogspot.com/

http://dontfundkenwhitman.blogspot.com/

Yeah, exactly. Ken has proven, by his actions, what is what.

Quote from: Ocule on September 09, 2021, 12:17:46 PM
There started to prune off the more irrelevant entries as well as games whose basic premise is to be political or racist like Coyote and Crow have been removed. Also added an FAQ of the things that have all actually been said or asked.

Pretty sure john wick wanted me to come try and fight him at gencon or something. Saw that video, fucking weirdo. Is it normal for people to try and pick fights with people they know nothing about? I could be like an axe murderer or something and by the look of him, i'm not sure hes ever been in a fight in his life. Reminds me of a song my wife really likes called Remedy by TOOL.

John Wick if you are reading this I have no intention or desire to fight you or your geriatric friends. To me, you are nobody. A stranger, a name I've seen in passing and completely irrelevant in my life. Anyway enjoy gencon, i'm not going to waste any more time on you than it took to write this. I hope you provide lots of nostalgia to those who know you for what you used to be.

Pretty solid plan, also goes along with not giving publicity to people that are simply being inciteful so that people hate-buy their stuff (like I didn't even know Coyote and Crow existed before this thread)

As to John Wick, honestly he hasn't really make anything in the last decade and seems like he's just throwing a tantrum of "wah I wanted to be on the cool kids list". Also his constant "define ___" in the comments to Venger and Grim Jim is annoying and obscenely disingenuous.