I am a little curious about discussion of this list in other places - I recently saw a Facebook friend briefly mention it, but he said to ignore it. Does anyone have any links to discussion threads?

In principle, I'd think that a list like this could be useful for activists on both sides, letting them know who to buy from and who to avoid.

Yet more fresh out of the can psyops concern troll frizzle frazzle.

Quote from: jhkim on September 09, 2021, 03:48:24 AM
I am a little curious about discussion of this list in other places - I recently saw a Facebook friend briefly mention it, but he said to ignore it. Does anyone have any links to discussion threads?

In principle, I'd think that a list like this could be useful for activists on both sides, letting them know who to buy from and who to avoid.

There are discussions going on, but the ones I have found are on private Facebook groups.

Quote from: palaeomerus on September 09, 2021, 03:54:01 AM
Yet more fresh out of the can psyops concern troll frizzle frazzle.

If you're talking about me, I honestly have been pretty up front with what I've talked about. I've been laughing about the folks doing things to spite me, like put Mr. Wick on the Green list or leave him off. I don't profit either way.

My opinion about the validity of the list shouldn't matter one way or another to any of you.

But my goal coming here was just to ask for something that the list itself had as a thought when I first read it, to separate out the green list of the "apolitical" from the actively anti-woke and anti-SJW. I've seen several others suggest it that are regulars, including Mr. Pundit himself.

I had the additional suggestion that some evidence or details be provided for the proof of that stance, and not just a guess. Like, let's see where a person says that they don't want SJWs buying their games or what have you.

And then the list serves the same purpose for me, as it does for you. I just have different criteria that I use, but the list has been very helpful in laying it all out pretty clearly.

For instance, I had not heard of the guy who made Old Skull being at all woke or SJW, I knew he produced some OSR stuff, and I think I may have bought one or two on DM's Guild in the past, but now I'm intrigued by the notoriety that he gained here.

And I had not heard the Tenkar story before, so I'm going to be looking that up. So, this is all just new info for me.

I'm just a little nobody, so these industry stories are not things I typically hear.

Nah. I'm not buying it. Sorry. Maybe others will.

Quote from: hoshisabi on September 09, 2021, 04:02:43 AM

Quote from: palaeomerus on September 09, 2021, 03:54:01 AM
Yet more fresh out of the can psyops concern troll frizzle frazzle.

For instance, I had not heard of the guy who made Old Skull being at all woke or SJW, I knew he produced some OSR stuff, and I think I may have bought one or two on DM's Guild in the past, but now I'm intrigued by the notoriety that he gained here.

He certainly is woke, by reading some of his posts and comments on social media you can figure it out. Maybe his games aren't, but I have no interest at all in those.

Quote from: hoshisabi on September 09, 2021, 03:15:26 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 09, 2021, 02:41:17 AM
Ha, no thanks, I'm too busy to find stuff about a hasbeen. You on the other hand should be very concerned and trying to figure out oif he violated the cult's mandates years ago, before the mandates existed...

And then proced to try and destroy his life, as you cultists are wont to do.

I'm just pointing out the hipocrisy of the newcomer SJWs infestating the site.

But, didn't you read, I'm not truly woke because another person on this group talked about how only people who ____ are woke, and I don't count.

And yeah, you really don't need to find out stuff about a "hasbeen" or his "hipocrisy" in order to "proced" on your investigation. Yeah, I know, weak tea, but ... a little bit of a cheap gag lightens the mood now and then.

But I do find it funny the amount of pure petulant contrariness that happens in this forum.

I'd LOVE for you to put someone on the Green List because I came here and suggested them for Red. Go right on ahead, sir, that's totally your call.

I've been enjoying seeing the justification of it not being a ban list, but someone else coming in talking about all tactics being fair in pursuit of an enemy.

BUT, this isn't an enemies list, right?

I mean, it's not like I can't comb through this forum and find conversation about enemies in this list, eh?

But, you know what, stamp your feet and refuse to put people on the list that asked, they can't REALLY Want to be, your leader said that they were afraid of being on the list, so no reason to deny them an entry. Remember, it's something they're only PRETENDING to want.

Okay, First of all, you sound like the most upset person in this entire thread. Second, both the owner of the website and the author of the thread have said that this list is just helping people make an informed decision on their purchases. That's more than enough to put them in the clear. If other people want to use the list for some other purpose then that's their business. If SJWs want to use it in reverse, then that's their business.

This is the vibe I get from you:
https://i.redd.it/g4wr074ofdp51.jpg

Quote from: jhkim on September 09, 2021, 03:48:24 AM
I am a little curious about discussion of this list in other places - I recently saw a Facebook friend briefly mention it, but he said to ignore it. Does anyone have any links to discussion threads?

In principle, I'd think that a list like this could be useful for activists on both sides, letting them know who to buy from and who to avoid.

Short answer: there was an attempt at TBP that got shut down by the mods.

Long answer: I had a longer reply to you, but it seemed more fitting for the TBP thread in the Pundit's forum, so I put it there: https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/rpgnet-s-decay-tbp-madness/msg1187220/#msg1187220

Quote from: Hopladamus on September 09, 2021, 05:11:33 AM
Okay, First of all, you sound like the most upset person in this entire thread. Second, both the owner of the website and the author of the thread have said that this list is just helping people make an informed decision on their purchases. That's more than enough to put them in the clear. If other people want to use the list for some other purpose then that's their business. If SJWs want to use it in reverse, then that's their business.

This is the vibe I get from you:
https://i.redd.it/g4wr074ofdp51.jpg

That comic is quite accurate, just perhaps not in the way you think. There's a term for it, but I'll leave it to you to think through it.

And on the second point you made, yeah, like I said, that's kind of why I came here. I wanted to encourage it, please inform us of whatever "nefarious" woke behavior that companies do, especially if you provide evidence. Those that agree with it will make decisions, and those that do not agree with it will make decisions, and everyone will have what they want.

Quote from: hoshisabi on September 09, 2021, 03:15:26 AM
I've been enjoying seeing the justification of it not being a ban list, but someone else coming in talking about all tactics being fair in pursuit of an enemy.

BUT, this isn't an enemies list, right?

I mean, it's not like I can't comb through this forum and find conversation about enemies in this list, eh?

But, you know what, stamp your feet and refuse to put people on the list that asked, they can't REALLY Want to be, your leader said that they were afraid of being on the list, so no reason to deny them an entry. Remember, it's something they're only PRETENDING to want.

The users here - even the contributors to the list in this thread - are not a monolithic entity. It doesn't make much sense to mock a group of people for having wildly divergent opinions, but then, in the same breath, accuse them of blindly adopting the views of a "leader".

To insist that the list is a malicious "enemies list" just because a malicious person could use it that way is like insisting that public voting records are an "enemies list" simply because malicious political activists can (and openly do) use them that way.

By the way, malicious people who preoccupy themselves with destroying other people's lives are perfectly able to do so without relying on the serendipitous contributions of well-meaning strangers. Anyone who would have a mind to use this list for evil will have already done their own research to that end.

Despite all the hand-wringing and pearl-clutching throughout this thread, the only thing I've seen happen is that one of the more significant complaints listed in the document has been retracted and accepted to be non-substantiable hearsay.

Quote from: hoshisabi on September 09, 2021, 03:15:26 AM
But, you know what, stamp your feet and refuse to put people on the list that asked [...]

It only makes sense to list those who are (still) producing popular stuff that a non-politically-motivated customer is at risk of buying. In fact, many of those in the red list have no reason to be there (nobody who isn't an open Stalinist is going to accidentally buy Thirsty Sword Lesbians, for example).

On the other hand, adding the creator of "Through Ultan's Door" by request made sense because it's a very popular, ostensibly non-political, product.

Quote from: Oddend on September 09, 2021, 10:14:45 AM
The users here - even the contributors to the list in this thread - are not a monolithic entity. It doesn't make much sense to mock a group of people for having wildly divergent opinions, but then, in the same breath, accuse them of blindly adopting the views of a "leader".

All hail the leader!

Wait, who's the leader again?

I've been reading, skimming, and occasionally posting in this thread for a few days now.  Not sure how it came up, but Pundit asked me to swing by and clarify something.

Some time ago (maybe a year?), Diogo Nogueira publicly threatened me with physical violence if he ever saw me at a gaming convention.  This happened on Facebook in a thread that had something to do with gaming.  I remember being shocked at his brazen resort to what amounted to political violence on social media.  I told people at the time to screen-shot it, but I don't know if anyone did.  Shortly after that, I believe he blocked me.

So, there you go.  Rumor verified.

VS

Quote from: Pat on September 09, 2021, 10:39:19 AM

Quote from: Oddend on September 09, 2021, 10:14:45 AM
The users here - even the contributors to the list in this thread - are not a monolithic entity. It doesn't make much sense to mock a group of people for having wildly divergent opinions, but then, in the same breath, accuse them of blindly adopting the views of a "leader".

All hail the leader!

Wait, who's the leader again?

Didn't know we had a Leader. I thought we were an autonomous collective.

Quote from: Pat on September 09, 2021, 10:39:19 AM

Quote from: Oddend on September 09, 2021, 10:14:45 AM
The users here - even the contributors to the list in this thread - are not a monolithic entity. It doesn't make much sense to mock a group of people for having wildly divergent opinions, but then, in the same breath, accuse them of blindly adopting the views of a "leader".

All hail the leader!

Wait, who's the leader again?

Taco Bell has taught me to identify Supreme Leaders by looking for tomatoes and sour cream.

Quote from: Pat on September 09, 2021, 10:39:19 AM

Quote from: Oddend on September 09, 2021, 10:14:45 AM
The users here - even the contributors to the list in this thread - are not a monolithic entity. It doesn't make much sense to mock a group of people for having wildly divergent opinions, but then, in the same breath, accuse them of blindly adopting the views of a "leader".

All hail the leader!

Wait, who's the leader again?

Our system of organization...