Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 08, 2021, 10:22:16 PM
Something to keep in mind is that Teddy Beale (aka Vox Day) is a bit of an ass. Despite his constant blather, if you step back a bit he fits the classic 'insecure beta' archetype he complains about to a tee. He also does NOT handle disagreement well -- even if it's reasonably made.

Remember, this is a guy who honestly thinks a return to monarchy (with himself as king, naturally) would be a cure for the world's woes.

So, no, he's not a SJW. Far from it. But he IS a dipshit

Vox is way too peripheral to be considered on this list in my opinion. The one or two game designers who published with him can be judge on their own merits, but he's not an RPG figure.

I just want to say I am very happy to see a list like this.  Many of these I was already aware of, but a more complete list like this is fantastic.  I hope to contribute when I have time and all facts checked.

Quote from: Imperial Shadow on September 08, 2021, 11:05:16 PM
I just want to say I am very happy to see a list like this.  Many of these I was already aware of, but a more complete list like this is fantastic.  I hope to contribute when I have time and all facts checked.

Greetings!

Welcome to the RPGsite here, Imperial Shadow!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Suggestion: People who lobby to get on the red list, don't.


The worst thing you can do to a masochist is not hurt them, an attention-seeker or troll, ignore them, etc.


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@Ocule,

May I suggest that you not waste your time listening to obvious termites (such as Happy Gayz, or Tubesteak Army) who are obviously trying to undermine your hard work.

Regarding John Wick: I am only familiar with the two editions of 7th Sea that he wrote and I don't recall his campaign setting, Theah, which was a watered down 16th c. Europe. I did not see any analog of Africa however...

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 08, 2021, 10:41:45 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 08, 2021, 10:22:16 PM
Something to keep in mind is that Teddy Beale (aka Vox Day) is a bit of an ass. Despite his constant blather, if you step back a bit he fits the classic 'insecure beta' archetype he complains about to a tee. He also does NOT handle disagreement well -- even if it's reasonably made.

Remember, this is a guy who honestly thinks a return to monarchy (with himself as king, naturally) would be a cure for the world's woes.

So, no, he's not a SJW. Far from it. But he IS a dipshit

Vox is way too peripheral to be considered on this list in my opinion. The one or two game designers who published with him can be judge on their own merits, but he's not an RPG figure.

Yeah he mostly does fiction books, and has comics imprint, and once did some video game publishing but I have not really heard of him as an rpg publisher or developer.

What about a category for gaming con artists like Ken Whitman. I can't say that he actively hates game consumers, but he sure is happy to rip them off.

Quote from: Jaeger on September 08, 2021, 03:58:10 PM
Gotta love the "new" members with their concerns... helpfully pointing out important things for us to notice. So nice of them... ROTFL!

New people, like VengerSatanis who posts the same thing. Yeah, about that.

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on September 08, 2021, 11:19:10 PM
@Ocule,

May I suggest that you not waste your time listening to obvious termites (such as Happy Gayz, or Tubesteak Army) who are obviously trying to undermine your hard work.

Regarding John Wick: I am only familiar with the two editions of 7th Sea that he wrote and I don't recall his campaign setting, Theah, which was a watered down 16th c. Europe. I did not see any analog of Africa however...

Depending on what part of Africa, you have Crescent Empire for the areas that are considered part of the Middle East, and you have Lands of Gold and Fire for the rest.

In addition, you have Khitai for Asia and you have New World for all of the Americas.

And if you look at the items that he published that were not under license, you get a better view of his games, which become a fair bit more political. "Wicked Press" is his publishing label.

And if you STILL need convincing, then the very things that WotC are criticized for changing old school D&D about (getting rid of "evil races") then look at Ork World and Wicked Fantasy for where most of those ideas were published long before now. Wicked Fantasy is all about getting rid of the idea of races as "evil bags of hit points."

But hey, you guys know your logic, apparently I do not.

Quote from: hoshisabi on September 09, 2021, 02:08:34 AM

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on September 08, 2021, 11:19:10 PM
@Ocule,

May I suggest that you not waste your time listening to obvious termites (such as Happy Gayz, or Tubesteak Army) who are obviously trying to undermine your hard work.

Regarding John Wick: I am only familiar with the two editions of 7th Sea that he wrote and I don't recall his campaign setting, Theah, which was a watered down 16th c. Europe. I did not see any analog of Africa however...

Depending on what part of Africa, you have Crescent Empire for the areas that are considered part of the Middle East, and you have Lands of Gold and Fire for the rest.

In addition, you have Khitai for Asia and you have New World for all of the Americas.

And if you look at the items that he published that were not under license, you get a better view of his games, which become a fair bit more political. "Wicked Press" is his publishing label.

And if you STILL need convincing, then the very things that WotC are criticized for changing old school D&D about (getting rid of "evil races") then look at Ork World and Wicked Fantasy for where most of those ideas were published long before now. Wicked Fantasy is all about getting rid of the idea of races as "evil bags of hit points."

But hey, you guys know your logic, apparently I do not.

Isn't Kithai basically Western Adventures?

Is this John Wick half black and half Asian? Because if not then those games are HIGHLY problematic.

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Quote from: pawsplay on September 08, 2021, 04:32:32 AM
Is it possible to land on the Red list by being a full-on Nazi? People talk about "normal" gamers but I see a lot of right, far-right, and eccentric attitudes expressed in this thread that don't fly with "normal gamers" insofar as that's a thing. So I'm really wondering if being apolitical is the Green standard here, or if this is just a deck shuffle to really say right-wing, conservative, or retrograde politics.
Oh, and thank you, posters with less than 10 posts, for showing up and registering to post the absolute worst takes on everything.

I and Ocule have touched upon this subject a bit. Basically, I suggested that we separate the neutral/undecided/unknown and anti-SJW list as well as the SJW and alt-right list. The only people on the Anti-SJW list would be the people who have explicitly stated that they are opposed to SJWs, not the people that we suspect of being anti-SJWs. I have also listed a couple of more names for the neutral list as well as a couple of names for the hypothetical alt-right list. Unfortunately, I still haven't heard back from Ocule regarding this idea. Hopefully, he sees this post.

It's a terrible idea. If the list is to maintain any fairness, it needs to address bad actors, not political alignments. Red should be those who exclude, not just those who are the Sharp Point on Political Axis X. Green should be the companies who welcome anyone of any political stripe, as long as they meet some basic standards of decency.

Myfarog guy should definitely be red.

I agree with this as it keeps the lists nice and simple.  Green for politics free, red for full on politics, and yellow for the middle ground.

Quote from: jeff37923 on September 09, 2021, 01:34:17 AM
What about a category for gaming con artists like Ken Whitman. I can't say that he actively hates game consumers, but he sure is happy to rip them off.

Seems like a different but also very useful list. Bad Traders or Unfulfilled & Unrefunded projects of crowd funders type of thing? Consumer Protection type info that aggregates complaints and tried to verify them?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 09, 2021, 02:24:00 AM
Is this John Wick half black and half Asian? Because if not then those games are HIGHLY problematic.

Maybe you should look to see if he had an author working on these with him. If you're interested, maybe you could make that accusation somewhere publicly that he can respond to it.

I'm sure you're quite concerned. You should look into it.

Quote from: hoshisabi on September 09, 2021, 02:35:51 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 09, 2021, 02:24:00 AM
Is this John Wick half black and half Asian? Because if not then those games are HIGHLY problematic.

Maybe you should look to see if he had an author working on these with him. If you're interested, maybe you could make that accusation somewhere publicly that he can respond to it.

I'm sure you're quite concerned. You should look into it.

Ha, no thanks, I'm too busy to find stuff about a hasbeen. You on the other hand should be very concerned and trying to figure out oif he violated the cult's mandates years ago, before the mandates existed...

And then proced to try and destroy his life, as you cultists are wont to do.

I'm just pointing out the hipocrisy of the newcomer SJWs infestating the site.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 09, 2021, 02:41:17 AM
Ha, no thanks, I'm too busy to find stuff about a hasbeen. You on the other hand should be very concerned and trying to figure out oif he violated the cult's mandates years ago, before the mandates existed...

And then proced to try and destroy his life, as you cultists are wont to do.

I'm just pointing out the hipocrisy of the newcomer SJWs infestating the site.

But, didn't you read, I'm not truly woke because another person on this group talked about how only people who ____ are woke, and I don't count.

And yeah, you really don't need to find out stuff about a "hasbeen" or his "hipocrisy" in order to "proced" on your investigation. Yeah, I know, weak tea, but ... a little bit of a cheap gag lightens the mood now and then.

But I do find it funny the amount of pure petulant contrariness that happens in this forum.

I'd LOVE for you to put someone on the Green List because I came here and suggested them for Red. Go right on ahead, sir, that's totally your call.

I've been enjoying seeing the justification of it not being a ban list, but someone else coming in talking about all tactics being fair in pursuit of an enemy.

BUT, this isn't an enemies list, right?

I mean, it's not like I can't comb through this forum and find conversation about enemies in this list, eh?

But, you know what, stamp your feet and refuse to put people on the list that asked, they can't REALLY Want to be, your leader said that they were afraid of being on the list, so no reason to deny them an entry. Remember, it's something they're only PRETENDING to want.