Good point I'm not sure where that rumor started. If it's false I don't want to make it gain any traction

There are many more companies/people here in the UK who should be on the red part of the list, but they would probably pretend to be delighted and use it for publicity.

Quote from: Mithgarthr on September 08, 2021, 10:21:47 AM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on September 08, 2021, 10:14:14 AM
Just a quick query about the list.

How do you handle a situation where you dislike an rpg's creator, for his public and toxic woke insanity but think the company, that could be publishing several different creators, is actually okay (AKA - not woke)?

How do you guys think that should be handled? Do you think there's a point to calling out specific product lines - If created by that toxic/woke person who is detrimental to the hobby as a whole?

Interested to hear your thoughts, Ta'.

Perhaps put the publisher as yellow (for knowingly working with the insane), but then a specific call out to the author/products in red?

That sounds like a plan!


What do you think of that Occule?

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on September 08, 2021, 12:18:21 PM

Quote from: Mithgarthr on September 08, 2021, 10:21:47 AM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on September 08, 2021, 10:14:14 AM
Just a quick query about the list.

How do you handle a situation where you dislike an rpg's creator, for his public and toxic woke insanity but think the company, that could be publishing several different creators, is actually okay (AKA - not woke)?

How do you guys think that should be handled? Do you think there's a point to calling out specific product lines - If created by that toxic/woke person who is detrimental to the hobby as a whole?

Interested to hear your thoughts, Ta'.

Perhaps put the publisher as yellow (for knowingly working with the insane), but then a specific call out to the author/products in red?

That sounds like a plan!


What do you think of that Occule?

Yeah that sounds fair

Quote from: Ocule on September 08, 2021, 12:44:08 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on September 08, 2021, 12:18:21 PM

Quote from: Mithgarthr on September 08, 2021, 10:21:47 AM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on September 08, 2021, 10:14:14 AM
Just a quick query about the list.

How do you handle a situation where you dislike an rpg's creator, for his public and toxic woke insanity but think the company, that could be publishing several different creators, is actually okay (AKA - not woke)?

How do you guys think that should be handled? Do you think there's a point to calling out specific product lines - If created by that toxic/woke person who is detrimental to the hobby as a whole?

Interested to hear your thoughts, Ta'.

Perhaps put the publisher as yellow (for knowingly working with the insane), but then a specific call out to the author/products in red?

That sounds like a plan!


What do you think of that Occule?

Yeah that sounds fair

Noice! 

Quote from: TheAsimovian on September 08, 2021, 12:13:21 PM
There are many more companies/people here in the UK who should be on the red part of the list, but they would probably pretend to be delighted and use it for publicity.

Nothing wrong with that, the guide is meant to be useful to everyone. So, nominate away! (preferably with some specific evidence for each).

After removing the rumor on Diogo Noguiera/Old Skull Publishing wanting to punch vengers teeth in or something, I couldn't find anything to substantiate that claim or the wanting to put "game not for fascists" on every title. However people share the darndest things on twitter, the dude looks like a real piece of work. Oh well wish granted he can stay red for the real reason. IE Being a general douchebag. I think at this point anyone who specifically asks to be in the red category i'm basically interpreting as "If you don't like my politics don't buy my products" in which case i'm more than happy to grant such a request.

It's funny, I can basically sum up this whole project as "do you treat people the way you wish to be treated" The real question is though, do I include creators that are so small i doubt their own mothers even know they still exist?

Very happy to see Myfarog has been added into the red category with other political games/companies. Gaming should not be primarily about politics and I think it adds a lot of legitimacy to the list to lump Myfarog's political push in the same category as Evil Hat's, etc.

I also want to echo that I am not calling for any companies to be censored or banned. I just want to be able to make an informed decision about who shares my values and thus gets my money.

Quote from: Ocule on September 08, 2021, 01:23:46 PM
The real question is though, do I include creators that are so small i doubt their own mothers even know they still exist?

If you decide to, I humbly request you add me (Mithgarthr Entertainment) under the green heading. I make gaming products, not art projects or social commentary disguised as gaming products. 

Quote from: Dropbear on September 08, 2021, 07:25:47 AM

Quote from: Alea Iacta Est on September 08, 2021, 02:01:49 AM
So I'm wondering.  I've been considering buying the Witcher rpg from Talsorian Games, and I read the pdfs of the sourcebooks so I know I want to play the game.  So I want to know if any of the money I use to buy the rpg will go towards Adrzej Sapkowski and/or CDProjektRed.  Right now I'm strongly leaning towards buying the game because the gm guide is looking pretty based with the overall mentality it conveys.

I'm sure that some of it will go to Adrzej as the writer and owner of the world/characters, but I doubt that CDPR gets anything or much if they do get anything. They license The Witcher too, just like R. Talsorian.

I was including CDPR in my inquiry because the core rule book stated that the rules were based primarily on the videogames as opposed to the books, so I thought CDPR would also have a stake in the system.

Quote from: Ocule on September 08, 2021, 01:23:46 PM
The real question is though, do I include creators that are so small i doubt their own mothers even know they still exist?

If you start trying to track every mentally ill twatter who ever "sold" 10 copies of their pwyw supplement on drivethru then I think the list would lose some of its value. Maybe a requirement that they have at least a single copper bestseller before inclusion or some other criteria would be useful.

Still Waiting for Erik Tenkar to be placed on the Red List for the "anti-consumer behavior" (which is specifically listed by the list's author as enough to keep one out of both the Green and Yellow Lists) of getting a product pulled from OBS for content he didn't like. As I pointed out earlier, Tenkar was called out vociferously on this very forum.

Also look how upset the SJWs are lol
https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/On-The-Red-RPG-List-by-CogswellDesign/88048921.XNZKR

Quote from: Ocule on September 08, 2021, 01:23:46 PM
The real question is though, do I include creators that are so small i doubt their own mothers even know they still exist?

Ooooh, those are the ones you REALLY need to watch out for! The "Stealth Wokies." Due to their obscurity, unsuspecting gamers could be lured into their woke clutches! You wouldn't want that on your conscience, would you? Besides, the less exhaustive the list is, the more partisan it will seem to be. In for a penny, in for a pound. Don't be lazy, fool, add them to the Red List! Chop chop. muthafucka!

Quote from: therealjcm on September 08, 2021, 01:40:41 PM

Quote from: Ocule on September 08, 2021, 01:23:46 PM
The real question is though, do I include creators that are so small i doubt their own mothers even know they still exist?

If you start trying to track every mentally ill twatter who ever "sold" 10 copies of their pwyw supplement on drivethru then I think the list would lose some of its value. Maybe a requirement that they have at least a single copper bestseller before inclusion or some other criteria would be useful.

Yeah, there needs to be a minimum bar to keep it relevant.

Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 08, 2021, 01:43:28 PM
Still Waiting for Erik Tenkar to be placed on the Red List for the "anti-consumer behavior" (which is specifically listed by the list's author as enough to keep one out of both the Green and Yellow Lists) of getting a product pulled from OBS for content he didn't like. As I pointed out earlier, Tenkar was called out vociferously on this very forum.

Also look how upset the SJWs are lol
https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/On-The-Red-RPG-List-by-CogswellDesign/88048921.XNZKR

I need more information on Tenkar before putting him on the list i've seen conflicting information about him. Also that is freakin hilarious, thats like being proud your restaurant couldn't pass a health inspection and wearing it like a badge of honor. Big mad

Quote from: Ocule on September 08, 2021, 01:47:57 PM

Quote from: therealjcm on September 08, 2021, 01:40:41 PM

Quote from: Ocule on September 08, 2021, 01:23:46 PM
The real question is though, do I include creators that are so small i doubt their own mothers even know they still exist?

If you start trying to track every mentally ill twatter who ever "sold" 10 copies of their pwyw supplement on drivethru then I think the list would lose some of its value. Maybe a requirement that they have at least a single copper bestseller before inclusion or some other criteria would be useful.

Yeah, there needs to be a minimum bar to keep it relevant.

Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 08, 2021, 01:43:28 PM
Still Waiting for Erik Tenkar to be placed on the Red List for the "anti-consumer behavior" (which is specifically listed by the list's author as enough to keep one out of both the Green and Yellow Lists) of getting a product pulled from OBS for content he didn't like. As I pointed out earlier, Tenkar was called out vociferously on this very forum.

Also look how upset the SJWs are lol
https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/On-The-Red-RPG-List-by-CogswellDesign/88048921.XNZKR

I need more information on Tenkar before putting him on the list i've seen conflicting information about him. Also that is freakin hilarious, thats like being proud your restaurant couldn't pass a health inspection and wearing it like a badge of honor. Big mad

Bro, I literally linked the thread on here where everyone was decrying his actions. You're not trying very hard. Here it is again. YOU made the list. YOU set the terms. Is "anti-consumer" behavior criteria for getting into the red list? If not, you need to edit what you wrote.

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/acab-erik-karen-tavern-gets-obs-module-taken-down/

And here is Venger's blog post complaining about getting booted from Tenkar's Discord over, among other things, his "coming out" as trans-tentacle or whatever the fuck. How much evidence do you need? To the Red List with him!

https://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/2019/03/whats-opposite-of-humble.html