Quote from: Hopladamus on September 07, 2021, 01:12:50 PM
Don't forget to add Tenkar's Tavern Gamen to the Green list. Tenkar has always been fair to us.

I was skeptical about TT because he went full on hate boner for nu-tsr, i'm not entirely sure why. I know he released a video on it I havnt had the chance to actually watch it yet. I started it and really wasn't interested in their slapfight.

Quote from: Ocule on September 07, 2021, 01:28:47 PM

Quote from: Hopladamus on September 07, 2021, 01:12:50 PM
Don't forget to add Tenkar's Tavern Gamen to the Green list. Tenkar has always been fair to us.

I was skeptical about TT because he went full on hate boner for nu-tsr, i'm not entirely sure why. I know he released a video on it I havnt had the chance to actually watch it yet. I started it and really wasn't interested in their slapfight.

I mean Pundit kinda did too. While it is shitty what happened to nu-TSR getting cancelled it's equally shitty using your dead father's name to sell your work, so I get it. (Which is probably the angle TT is taking). I do think what was said isn't even cancel worthy even to the hardest of hardcore leftoids and is just people being reactionary, but eh

Haven't had a chance to watch it either

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on September 07, 2021, 01:38:24 PM

Quote from: Ocule on September 07, 2021, 01:28:47 PM

Quote from: Hopladamus on September 07, 2021, 01:12:50 PM
Don't forget to add Tenkar's Tavern Gamen to the Green list. Tenkar has always been fair to us.

I was skeptical about TT because he went full on hate boner for nu-tsr, i'm not entirely sure why. I know he released a video on it I havnt had the chance to actually watch it yet. I started it and really wasn't interested in their slapfight.

I mean Pundit kinda did too. While it is shitty what happened to nu-TSR getting cancelled it's equally shitty using your dead father's name to sell your work, so I get it. (Which is probably the angle TT is taking). I do think what was said isn't even cancel worthy even to the hardest of hardcore leftoids and is just people being reactionary, but eh

Haven't had a chance to watch it either

True, I kind of wish a knew a bit more about Tenkars than just those videos. I joined his group but I haven't really been active there. I mean I can certainly add them, though do they produce any rpg content? or is it just a hang out

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on September 07, 2021, 11:19:23 AM
...  Sometimes, it's merely that they are developmentally still stuck in the 2-year old mode, where they can't abide someone telling them "No"--even if it is only, "No, I wont agree that your thing is great and wonderful and completely beyond reproach, and even so great it makes you a wonderful person merely for saying it."

Some of twitter screaming is the inner toddler coming out.  I know, water is wet, sun rises in the east, news at 11:00.

Also in the "They can't abide someone telling them anything" camp:

A few have posted how they have no use for the list, because they don't care about the whole stupid "culture war", and don't like being "told what to think" by "ideologues" of any kind.

There are always some clever boys that get a charge out of signaling how above it all and independent they are...

Quote from: Ocule on September 07, 2021, 01:28:47 PM

Quote from: Hopladamus on September 07, 2021, 01:12:50 PM
Don't forget to add Tenkar's Tavern Gamen to the Green list. Tenkar has always been fair to us.

I was skeptical about TT because he went full on hate boner for nu-tsr, i'm not entirely sure why. I know he released a video on it I havnt had the chance to actually watch it yet. I started it and really wasn't interested in their slapfight.

I think your idea of separating Anti-SJWs from the neutrals is for the best. Then anyone who isn't clearly on one side or the other can be put on the "neutral/undecided/unclear" list. Not to mention that some really spiteful SJW could cause problems for neutrals on the Green list for being "associated" with "those horrible reactionaries", and demand a public condemnation or apology.

The only clear cases for the Anti-SJW list (that I can remember) are RPGPundit, Venger Satanis, and Grim Jim (regardless of his politics, he's an anti-SJW). I'm not sure if James Raggi would qualify. He has caved to SJWs in the past but he generally seems to be opposed to them. Bob Bledsaw II probably also falls under the anti-SJW umbrella, but he goes way too far in the other direction. Ernie Gaygax Jr. Started strong but has since completely caved to SJWs. I seem to remember several known designers being suggested as a suitable replacement for Grim Jim after he quit IC, but I can't seem to remember who they are. I will try to dig up some old tweets and find them, or maybe Pundit remembers.

Quote from: Ocule on September 07, 2021, 01:56:34 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on September 07, 2021, 01:38:24 PM

Quote from: Ocule on September 07, 2021, 01:28:47 PM

Quote from: Hopladamus on September 07, 2021, 01:12:50 PM
Don't forget to add Tenkar's Tavern Gamen to the Green list. Tenkar has always been fair to us.

I was skeptical about TT because he went full on hate boner for nu-tsr, i'm not entirely sure why. I know he released a video on it I havnt had the chance to actually watch it yet. I started it and really wasn't interested in their slapfight.

I mean Pundit kinda did too. While it is shitty what happened to nu-TSR getting cancelled it's equally shitty using your dead father's name to sell your work, so I get it. (Which is probably the angle TT is taking). I do think what was said isn't even cancel worthy even to the hardest of hardcore leftoids and is just people being reactionary, but eh

Haven't had a chance to watch it either

True, I kind of wish a knew a bit more about Tenkars than just those videos. I joined his group but I haven't really been active there. I mean I can certainly add them, though do they produce any rpg content? or is it just a hang out

From what I remember it's mostly just news and reviews for OSR and tangential material, but TT is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, OSR blog so there's also that

Quote from: Jaeger on September 07, 2021, 01:57:50 PM

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on September 07, 2021, 11:19:23 AM
...  Sometimes, it's merely that they are developmentally still stuck in the 2-year old mode, where they can't abide someone telling them "No"--even if it is only, "No, I wont agree that your thing is great and wonderful and completely beyond reproach, and even so great it makes you a wonderful person merely for saying it."

Some of twitter screaming is the inner toddler coming out.  I know, water is wet, sun rises in the east, news at 11:00.

Also in the "They can't abide someone telling them anything" camp:

A few have posted how they have no use for the list, because they don't care about the whole stupid "culture war", and don't like being "told what to think" by "ideologues" of any kind.

There are always some clever boys that get a charge out of signaling how above it all and independent they are...

Yeah, what are they always claiming we have.....oh ya, cognitive dissonance.

Quote from: Hopladamus on September 07, 2021, 02:00:09 PM

Quote from: Ocule on September 07, 2021, 01:28:47 PM

Quote from: Hopladamus on September 07, 2021, 01:12:50 PM
Don't forget to add Tenkar's Tavern Gamen to the Green list. Tenkar has always been fair to us.

I was skeptical about TT because he went full on hate boner for nu-tsr, i'm not entirely sure why. I know he released a video on it I havnt had the chance to actually watch it yet. I started it and really wasn't interested in their slapfight.

I think your idea of separating Anti-SJWs from the neutrals is for the best. Then anyone who isn't clearly on one side or the other can be put on the "neutral/undecided/unclear" list. Not to mention that some really spiteful SJW could cause problems for neutrals on the Green list for being "associated" with "those horrible reactionaries", and demand a public condemnation or apology.

The only clear cases for the Anti-SJW list (that I can remember) are RPGPundit, Venger Satanis, and Grim Jim (regardless of his politics, he's an anti-SJW). I'm not sure if James Raggi would qualify. He has caved to SJWs in the past but he generally seems to be opposed to them. Bob Bledsaw II probably also falls under the anti-SJW umbrella, but he goes way too far in the other direction. Ernie Gaygax Jr. Started strong but has since completely caved to SJWs. I seem to remember several known designers being suggested as a suitable replacement for Grim Jim after he quit IC, but I can't seem to remember who they are. I will try to dig up some old tweets and find them, or maybe Pundit remembers.

Yeah, I thought separating them out based on who is actually opposed to the sjw versus who remains neutral. I decided against it for now if only for the same reason as separating them, which is not to damage or paint a target on anyone. I think most people in the Green category are generally targets already, and it would be harder to target them as large group rather than a specific entity. At the same time, I really don't want to piss off the entities that are doing a good job at remaining neutral or staying out of this sort of "culture war" all together.

Given the language used i'm not sure how to handle the opposite extreme. I mean if engaged in the same sort of behavior they should definitely qualify as a redlist name for things like doxxing and harassment. I took MyFarog off the list a while ago because he isn't really what you'd call a sjw... well it's somewhere in the backlog of this really long thread lol. Bob Bledsaw II what's his deal?

I know you don't want to hear this but this forum came out of this kerfuffle smelling like a cow pasture.

Twitter absolutely clowned on you and proclaiming you won to your fans while everyone else can see you being Corncobbed is just embarrassing.

You guys got roasted. Deal with it.

Quote from: Torque2100 on September 07, 2021, 02:25:13 PM
I know you don't want to hear this but this forum came out of this kerfuffle smelling like a cow pasture.

Twitter absolutely clowned on you and proclaiming you won to your fans while everyone else can see you being Corncobbed is just embarrassing.

You guys got roasted. Deal with it.

Personally disagree, especially with how upset some people on the list were at the thought of even being mentioned, but believe what you want.

Quote from: Torque2100 on September 07, 2021, 02:25:13 PM
I know you don't want to hear this but this forum came out of this kerfuffle smelling like a cow pasture.

Twitter absolutely clowned on you and proclaiming you won to your fans while everyone else can see you being Corncobbed is just embarrassing.

You guys got roasted. Deal with it.

https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1883586-oh-no-anyway

Quote from: Torque2100 on September 07, 2021, 02:25:13 PM
I know you don't want to hear this but this forum came out of this kerfuffle smelling like a cow pasture.

Twitter absolutely clowned on you and proclaiming you won to your fans while everyone else can see you being Corncobbed is just embarrassing.

You guys got roasted. Deal with it.

Does anyone seriously give a fuck about twitter? Like other than a few screenshots I've got no idea what twatter is doing. I didn't write this for twitter. Twitter is for Twits.

Quote from: Ocule on September 07, 2021, 02:15:08 PM
...Yeah, I thought separating them out based on who is actually opposed to the sjw versus who remains neutral. I decided against it for now if only for the same reason as separating them, which is not to damage or paint a target on anyone. I think most people in the Green category are generally targets already, and it would be harder to target them as large group rather than a specific entity. At the same time, I really don't want to piss off the entities that are doing a good job at remaining neutral or staying out of this sort of "culture war" all together. ...

You cannot go wrong by generally giving people the benefit of the doubt in cases where things are unclear.

People make mistakes. Companies have pandered and gone on to regret it - and taken said pandering down.

I think that Green absolutely should include: "...entities that are doing a good job at remaining neutral or staying out of this sort of "culture war" all together."

It's not about being anti-SJW. It's just companies that make good games, and don't hate their customers...



IMHO - MYFAROG definitely should be added back on to the RED listing. If for no other listing than the SJW's can see that they are in the same category as him as far as the normal world is concerned.

His open racism and the SJW implied racsim with their 'black orcs' are just two sides of the same coin. And they both hate large parts of their potential consumer base. We need to remember that National Socialsim and Italian Facism were very much Left-Wing movements.

Quote from: Torque2100 on September 07, 2021, 02:25:13 PM
I know you don't want to hear this but this forum came out of this kerfuffle smelling like a cow pasture.

Twitter absolutely clowned on you and proclaiming you won to your fans while everyone else can see you being Corncobbed is just embarrassing.

You guys got roasted. Deal with it.

We're up to "cow pasture"? Woo hoo! We were at "shitstained underwear" in the eyes of the SJWs before this so we're on our way up.

We'll be up to "fried fish smell" before you know it.

Quote from: Ocule on September 07, 2021, 11:36:55 AM
7) Evil Beagle Games/Sean patrick fannon went on some tirade about social justice and asked to be put on the red list. So he is now on the red list.

This ought to tell you all you need to know about Mr. Fannon. Remember, a goodly number of the loudest SJW types behave that way in an attempt to distract you from their own status as abusers...

https://www.enworld.org/threads/harassment-policies-new-allegations-show-more-work-to-be-done.665363/