Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 05:56:42 PM
I try not to make a habit of coming into a specific persons house and pissing on their rug. We can be enemies if you want, I guess, but that sounds exhausting.

Also you:

Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 09:40:25 AM
This is the most self inflated "echo chamber" I have seen, a bunch of people sitting around gleefully thinking they have made people big mad and not a one of you seems to catch on that the red list is a joke to us.

Quote from: pawsplay on September 06, 2021, 03:24:54 PM
Bedrock Games should go in yellow. The creator has pandered by stating his Arrows of Indra was trans inclusive before it was cool.

Good point.   ...but how can I tell for sure whether it was a trans on the cover?

Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 05:45:44 PM
Forgive me for getting this wrong, but I was under the impression that there was a specific forum called Therpgpundits own forum, which this thread is not under, and then the rest of the site was specifically dedicated to rpg conversations. Is the entire site rpgpundits forum, or is he just the admin? No /s, full not understanding (as has been mentioned I am new here)

This is Pundit's site. His specific sub-forum is for threads focusing on stuff other than gaming that might interest Pundit, like COVID or elections. This area is for game-related talk, which is only supposed to include politics if it's related to gaming. So if you want to talk about something the president did recently, that'd go in the Pundit's personal forum. A thread like this, which is talking about game companies, is fine for the gaming section.

The main problem is that discussions tend to wander and people can easily forget where they're posting, so politics can come up quite often even in the gaming areas.

Quote from: Almost_Useless on September 06, 2021, 06:04:38 PM

Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 05:56:42 PM
I try not to make a habit of coming into a specific persons house and pissing on their rug. We can be enemies if you want, I guess, but that sounds exhausting.

Also you:

Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 09:40:25 AM
This is the most self inflated "echo chamber" I have seen, a bunch of people sitting around gleefully thinking they have made people big mad and not a one of you seems to catch on that the red list is a joke to us.

Yeah, I'm not denying I said that I still stand by it.

The assumption I had was that this was an open forum. If this is largely considered to be someone's specific forum (thus the question) then I would have operated differently ie not engaged at all.

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on September 06, 2021, 02:17:58 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on September 06, 2021, 01:16:31 PM
One thing about Orsen Scott Card. It was way more than just his opinions on homosexuality. I mean, he's actively campaigning and funding against gay marriage. If you look into it he's a total scum bag. I would vehemently oppose his views on homosexuality.

I totally hear ya on Card. But what is one person's scum is another person's hero. History is replete with it. And don't get me wrong, I agree, what Card did was wrong, but it doesn't stop me from rereading the Ender books. Some of my favorites. Does that mean I support his world view? Not at all. But some would call me wrong for my liking of his work.

True that. I mean, there's a shitload of religious weirdos that support Card's view. Despite the fact that I find him personally repellent I've actually read Ender's Game and it's a great book. To be honest, I'm sure there are a lot of author's work that I've bought over the years who I've probably had wildly opposing views to.

However, I'm also a complete H.P. Lovecraft fanboi. He can't do anything wrong as far as I'm concerned. Now, that said, I totally oppose his views on racism. He absolutely hated the Irish for example which people often neglect to mention. In fact, he even said that Britain was totally right to invade and take over our country because we were basically savages. Incidentally, you don't hear too many SJWs talking about about the Irish. Basically, we don't quite fit their narrative of indigenous peoples who've had their land and resources plundered for over 700 years, and over 3 million dead and faced years of racism. Basically, our skin is too white.  Sorry, slight tangent there.

So, I get it. At times we all give in and buy stuff. Of course we don't have to follow this list at all. There are more like guidelines (when you want them).

Lets face it, some authors are so good they'd probably get a pass.

Quote from: Brand55 on September 06, 2021, 06:11:12 PM

Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 05:45:44 PM
Forgive me for getting this wrong, but I was under the impression that there was a specific forum called Therpgpundits own forum, which this thread is not under, and then the rest of the site was specifically dedicated to rpg conversations. Is the entire site rpgpundits forum, or is he just the admin? No /s, full not understanding (as has been mentioned I am new here)

This is Pundit's site. His specific sub-forum is for threads focusing on stuff other than gaming that might interest Pundit, like COVID or elections. This area is for game-related talk, which is only supposed to include politics if it's related to gaming. So if you want to talk about something the president did recently, that'd go in the Pundit's personal forum. A thread like this, which is talking about game companies, is fine for the gaming section.

The main problem is that discussions tend to wander and people can easily forget where they're posting, so politics can come up quite often even in the gaming areas.

Jfc, thank you for explaining that. I honestly thought he was just an admin and that he was granted his own specific space, not that the whole thing was his.

Then please accept a sincere apology, this was not knowledge I had prior and that's absolutely my bad for not understanding that before posting.

Greg Gillespie, creator or Barrowmaze, commented on this list on Facebook.  Greg is definitely in the green group.

Quote from: Almost_Useless on September 06, 2021, 06:04:38 PM

Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 05:56:42 PM
I try not to make a habit of coming into a specific persons house and pissing on their rug. We can be enemies if you want, I guess, but that sounds exhausting.

Also you:

Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 09:40:25 AM
This is the most self inflated "echo chamber" I have seen, a bunch of people sitting around gleefully thinking they have made people big mad and not a one of you seems to catch on that the red list is a joke to us.

If you cant have double standards then how can you have any standards?

Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 05:45:44 PM
Forgive me for getting this wrong, but I was under the impression that there was a specific forum called Therpgpundits own forum, which this thread is not under, and then the rest of the site was specifically dedicated to rpg conversations. Is the entire site rpgpundits forum, or is he just the admin? No /s, full not understanding (as has been mentioned I am new here)

Discussing politics as it directly relates to gaming and the gaming industry is allowed on the main board. So political action taken by a gaming company is on-topic. General discussion of politics (ex. Climate change in general, Antifa in general) is not allowed on the main forum and belongs on Pundit's section of the forum.

Short version; politics related to gaming is fine in general, politics unrelated to gaming belongs on Pundit's forum. If you're in doubt, put it on Pundit's forum. If a gaming politics thread veers into general politics and your reply isn't bringing it back to gaming politics you're better served making a new thread on Pundit's forum instead (though a note saying something like "taking this to Pundit's forum" is typically acceptable).

The site as a whole is very free speech. The only things that can really get you banned are anti-Semitism/promotion of fascism and repeatedly veering into general politics outside Pundit's forum. Other than that, go nuts.

Edit: ninja'd by Brand55

Quote from: Chris24601 on September 06, 2021, 06:24:32 PM

Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 05:45:44 PM
Forgive me for getting this wrong, but I was under the impression that there was a specific forum called Therpgpundits own forum, which this thread is not under, and then the rest of the site was specifically dedicated to rpg conversations. Is the entire site rpgpundits forum, or is he just the admin? No /s, full not understanding (as has been mentioned I am new here)

Discussing politics as it directly relates to gaming and the gaming industry is allowed on the main board. So political action taken by a gaming company is on-topic. General discussion of politics (ex. Climate change in general, Antifa in general) is not allowed on the main forum and belongs on Pundit's section of the forum.

Short version; politics related to gaming is fine in general, politics unrelated to gaming belongs on Pundit's forum. If you're in doubt, put it on Pundit's forum. If a gaming politics thread veers into general politics and your reply isn't bringing it back to gaming politics you're better served making a new thread on Pundit's forum instead (though a note saying something like "taking this to Pundit's forum" is typically acceptable).

The site as a whole is very free speech. The only things that can really get you banned are anti-Semitism/promotion of fascism and repeatedly veering into general politics outside Pundit's forum. Other than that, go nuts.

Edit: ninja'd by Brand55

Ninja'd, but the etiquette explanation is appreciated

Quote from: Crusader X on September 06, 2021, 06:17:10 PM
Greg Gillespie, creator or Barrowmaze, commented on this list on Facebook.  Greg is definitely in the green group.

Got a link by any chance? I'll add him to the google doc

Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 06:26:23 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on September 06, 2021, 06:24:32 PM

Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 05:45:44 PM
Forgive me for getting this wrong, but I was under the impression that there was a specific forum called Therpgpundits own forum, which this thread is not under, and then the rest of the site was specifically dedicated to rpg conversations. Is the entire site rpgpundits forum, or is he just the admin? No /s, full not understanding (as has been mentioned I am new here)

Discussing politics as it directly relates to gaming and the gaming industry is allowed on the main board. So political action taken by a gaming company is on-topic. General discussion of politics (ex. Climate change in general, Antifa in general) is not allowed on the main forum and belongs on Pundit's section of the forum.

Short version; politics related to gaming is fine in general, politics unrelated to gaming belongs on Pundit's forum. If you're in doubt, put it on Pundit's forum. If a gaming politics thread veers into general politics and your reply isn't bringing it back to gaming politics you're better served making a new thread on Pundit's forum instead (though a note saying something like "taking this to Pundit's forum" is typically acceptable).

The site as a whole is very free speech. The only things that can really get you banned are anti-Semitism/promotion of fascism and repeatedly veering into general politics outside Pundit's forum. Other than that, go nuts.

Edit: ninja'd by Brand55

Ninja'd, but the etiquette explanation is appreciated

Glad to be of help and welcome to the boards. We're a motley crew but you're free to express what you really believe here without any fear of being banned (outside the aforementioned points) just because it's not a popular position with the mods.

Quote from: Chris24601 on September 06, 2021, 07:18:14 PM

Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 06:26:23 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on September 06, 2021, 06:24:32 PM

Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 05:45:44 PM
Forgive me for getting this wrong, but I was under the impression that there was a specific forum called Therpgpundits own forum, which this thread is not under, and then the rest of the site was specifically dedicated to rpg conversations. Is the entire site rpgpundits forum, or is he just the admin? No /s, full not understanding (as has been mentioned I am new here)

Discussing politics as it directly relates to gaming and the gaming industry is allowed on the main board. So political action taken by a gaming company is on-topic. General discussion of politics (ex. Climate change in general, Antifa in general) is not allowed on the main forum and belongs on Pundit's section of the forum.

Short version; politics related to gaming is fine in general, politics unrelated to gaming belongs on Pundit's forum. If you're in doubt, put it on Pundit's forum. If a gaming politics thread veers into general politics and your reply isn't bringing it back to gaming politics you're better served making a new thread on Pundit's forum instead (though a note saying something like "taking this to Pundit's forum" is typically acceptable).

The site as a whole is very free speech. The only things that can really get you banned are anti-Semitism/promotion of fascism and repeatedly veering into general politics outside Pundit's forum. Other than that, go nuts.

Edit: ninja'd by Brand55

Ninja'd, but the etiquette explanation is appreciated

Glad to be of help and welcome to the boards. We're a motley crew but you're free to express what you really believe here without any fear of being banned (outside the aforementioned points) just because it's not a popular position with the mods.

Sounds like a perfect time to talk about my new rpg themed essential oil collection (boss bitch here)

Kidding but thank you for the welcome.

Quote from: DocJones on September 06, 2021, 06:08:02 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on September 06, 2021, 03:24:54 PM
Bedrock Games should go in yellow. The creator has pandered by stating his Arrows of Indra was trans inclusive before it was cool.

Good point.   ...but how can I tell for sure whether it was a trans on the cover?

I'm just wondering why the Pundit gets a pass. Here is a blog post:

Linkie

The Pundit makes a point about inclusion, stands up for transgender recognition and the right to be feminine, and as the author identifies a character as transgender who is not obviously so.

I guess this follows the rule that something is bad because a leftie does it. To me this looks identical to the so-called "virtue signalling" that has landed a number of authors and publishers on  the list.

Honestly, I think a lot of you are just too cowardly to call the Pundit out on his own board, despite his generous policy toward free speech in moderation .

Thanks so much for this list. Didn't realise there was an RPG related forum around still that isn't run by the woke crowd. Saw the list mentioned on a youtube vid so had to look it up.

Anyway, to the list. I don't immediately get how the company/product split it always made? Like, Free League is in yellow, I can see that, and it's deserved - but Symbaroum is listed separately in the green. I can understand Mörk Borg being listed separately since they're just the ones handling distribution pretty much; but isn't Symbaroum entirely Free League owned? Not saying I don't think the product itself doesn't deserve green, but I guess my question is more like ... how do you decide really to judge a company as a whole, vs an individual product?