[List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies

RPGPundit · September 06, 2021, 05:27:15 PM

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A thread complaining about politics in game companies and correctness, that categorizes game companies by their politics and tells us which ones are correct to support and which ones aren't. A little ironic, eh, comrade?
What's hilarious to me is that I firmly believe almost all of the yellow companies will gladly go red if made aware of the list. At that point, the poor green team has to understand that when they complain that everyone is against them, well...they picked the teams.

If that was true, it would be fine, wouldn't it? I mean, why are so many of the leftists outraged? It can't be at the fact that a list was made: they've made outright Blacklists against many game designers in the green section for years, countless times.

Why should they be worried about a list that makes clear who politicizes their games and who doesn't? And who hates regular gamers and who doesn't? I mean, except for those who are being intentionally disingenuous, trying to look like their product and company philosophy is one thing when actually it's another...
The list doesn't do a good job of differentiating who politicized their games from games that simply have politicized writers/publishers. Your own prodicts, for example, are not (intentionally) political, but you certainly are.

I think the descriptions in the list do a very good job of that, actually. They don't need to state which of the green products put politics into their RPGs, because NONE OF THEM DO.

For the red products, the reason why those are in the red section are stated pretty clearly.
So you would have no problem with others listing your products as highly politicized simply because you are? I think making a sharper distinction is a better move.

Please point out which of the red list author entries have incorrectly identified product rather than person as politicized?
For starters, what about Zweihander (the game) is a "freaking dumpster fire"? Sure, the author has some obnoxious habits, but the game seems fine and as apolitical as your products.

Oh, I get it. You're worried about your alter ego.

Shasarak · September 06, 2021, 05:27:30 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 06, 2021, 01:13:07 PM
His argument is as strong as yours. You don't fight nonsensical partisanship by doubling down.

Me, Shasarak, say "worth a try"

Quote from: TheTechnomancer on September 06, 2021, 01:12:15 PM
I should have known that Pazio was woke when they I found out that they had a transgendered dwarf.

How could you even tell?

RPGPundit · September 06, 2021, 05:29:11 PM

Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 09:40:25 AM
We have always known you are "fighting back" (if you call telling the same 8 people you are big mad fighting back), you do that literally every week with some new post or comment or blog video.

This is the most self inflated "echo chamber" I have seen, a bunch of people sitting around gleefully thinking they have made people big mad and not a one of you seems to catch on that the red list is a joke to us.

No butthurt. No seething beneath the surface. No rage. It's legit hilarious.

Dude. You made a guide to shop by values, who is upset by that? You also left it open to be edited to the public, how are people NOT going to laugh at that?

You'll pat yourselves on the back so much, I'm surprised we haven't seen photos of permanent hand print scars with claims of sjw attacks on your person.

Your side is the one that just fabricates evidence, slanders, and invents fake attacks, bitch.

And again, literally thousands of twitter posts by people like YOU about ME. It's pretty obvious who's obsessed with whom.

Marcelus14 · September 06, 2021, 05:30:19 PM

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Agreed, if the game is good the game is good.

Except a lot of folks don't believe that. You might be but a seeming majority aren't. When a creator's politics or personal beliefs come up that "taints" their content. Look at Orson Scott Card, the poster child for 'cancelling'. His personal beliefs on same sex marriage 'caused' (free to speak, not free from consequences) his 'cancellation'. Or the most recent comments by Sandy Peterson, now people won't buy from Chaosium.

Your argument is weak.

My argument that I believe "if a game is good, then a game is good" is weak because Sandy Peterson and Orson Scott Card were cancelled. Ok. Trying to understand what that has to do with my belief.

Is my argument weak? Or is the argument you have built up in your head as mine weak?

Fair enough. I see your point. My point, which I hope came across, is that the majority does not separate creator from content. Pundit's products have, as far as the products I have, no modern political statements in them. But because pundit is vocal people won't buy his games, despite them being good games, as you said yourself. So if pundits or vengers games are good people still won't buy them.

I don't know how to quote without getting the whole thing in, so please forgive me. Typing this on a phone.

Ok. So if I can give my own opinion on this, and it echoes what HappyDaze said before: guys like pundit have an expertise in game design that I can appreciate. I like learning how to run my games better. I think GMing is a skill that requires constant development and I've been a lifelong learner in that regard.

I don't own pundits game. I can't speak to his whether his game is good or not, my comment was more of a general statement to echo HappyDaze. I can state that many people seem to like his game and I can respect that.

Let me be clear: I do not own his or Vengers game because I don't have an interest in the content (medieval realism or generally anything Cthulian). I'm likely getting that wrong or over generalizing, but my point is that my lack of purchase has nothing to do with their vocal stances and everything to do with "what I have seen thus far in terms of game content isn't my bag". I will not and have not advocated for people not to buy their works nor will I because, as Grim stated in his recent YouTube video, that's a personal preference and not my job to tell people what not to buy. That includes Sandy Peterson.

But I agree about the inability to separate the work from the creator. I believe everyone has a line, some draw that line really close and some people have yet to find that line. I have a line on that, an example being the director of Jeepers Creepers. I can't tolerate the idea of a man convicted of pedophilism being able to take my money so I (unfortunately) have never finished the trilogy.

Thorn, I had a point but I think I got lost in My thoughts.

I wish I had the foresight to never see Jeepers Creepers 2. It's just awful, you're not missing anything. I love the first, bought the blu-ray on clearance a couple of Halloweens ago. I also think that pedophilia is one of the worst crimes you can commit, so...

Hahaha no I'm not mad, but thanks for checking in 😉

Jeepers Creepers 2 was the first one I saw, back in high school (first horror movie I could actually sit all the way through), liked it enough to track down the first then loved the first then cursed a storm when I found out about the third in the same article that explained his pedophilia.

Worst crime I can't agree more, I got three kids myself and the thought of people like that send me into a blood curdling rage.

HappyDaze · September 06, 2021, 05:31:20 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 06, 2021, 05:27:15 PM
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Quote from: HappyDaze on September 06, 2021, 08:47:46 AM
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A thread complaining about politics in game companies and correctness, that categorizes game companies by their politics and tells us which ones are correct to support and which ones aren't. A little ironic, eh, comrade?
What's hilarious to me is that I firmly believe almost all of the yellow companies will gladly go red if made aware of the list. At that point, the poor green team has to understand that when they complain that everyone is against them, well...they picked the teams.

If that was true, it would be fine, wouldn't it? I mean, why are so many of the leftists outraged? It can't be at the fact that a list was made: they've made outright Blacklists against many game designers in the green section for years, countless times.

Why should they be worried about a list that makes clear who politicizes their games and who doesn't? And who hates regular gamers and who doesn't? I mean, except for those who are being intentionally disingenuous, trying to look like their product and company philosophy is one thing when actually it's another...
The list doesn't do a good job of differentiating who politicized their games from games that simply have politicized writers/publishers. Your own prodicts, for example, are not (intentionally) political, but you certainly are.

I think the descriptions in the list do a very good job of that, actually. They don't need to state which of the green products put politics into their RPGs, because NONE OF THEM DO.

For the red products, the reason why those are in the red section are stated pretty clearly.
So you would have no problem with others listing your products as highly politicized simply because you are? I think making a sharper distinction is a better move.

Please point out which of the red list author entries have incorrectly identified product rather than person as politicized?
For starters, what about Zweihander (the game) is a "freaking dumpster fire"? Sure, the author has some obnoxious habits, but the game seems fine and as apolitical as your products.

Oh, I get it. You're worried about your alter ego.

My alter ego? WTF are you talking about?

RPGPundit · September 06, 2021, 05:31:58 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 06, 2021, 10:00:21 AM
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No butthurt. No seething beneath the surface. No rage. It's legit hilarious.

No one cares what a bunch of SJW gimps think. This is a list made purely for us evil doers. I personally, couldn't give a fig whether you find it hilarious or loath it. No skin of my my man tits... It's for informational purposes only.

Although, I do find it deliciously ironic, that they 'care' so little, they take the time to sign up to Pundit's forum just to tell us all about it. Says it all really...
Kinda like how Pundit and his subscribers care so little about what WotC does yet they all have to tell us about the evil leftists and their craziness all the time.

You are here, on my forum, posting about how unimportant I am.
Not, you'll notice, the other way around.

There are entire twitter accounts created, often with multiple posts per day, just to attack me. Dedicating what must be HOURS of work per day in research. They literally read EVERY WORD I write anywhere they can find it, all the time.

I don't do that with any of the SJWs.

It's pretty clear who has the obsession here, you sad bitch.

RPGPundit · September 06, 2021, 05:33:18 PM

Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 10:07:51 AM
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No butthurt. No seething beneath the surface. No rage. It's legit hilarious.

No one cares what a bunch of SJW gimps think. This is a list made purely for us evil doers. I personally, couldn't give a fig whether you find it hilarious or loath it. No skin of my my man tits... It's for informational purposes only.

Although, I do find it deliciously ironic, that they 'care' so little, they take the time to sign up to Pundit's forum just to tell us all about it. Says it all really...
Kinda like how Pundit and his subscribers care so little about what WotC does yet they all have to tell us about the evil leftists and their craziness all the time.

If the left does it: big mad irony 😄

If "pundits forum" (and here I thought this was an rpg site for discussing role playing games) it's showing how little you care.

HappyDaze gets it

Dude, you specifically started an account and have posted for the sole purpose of trying to pretend this list doesn't matter to anyone. You are LIVING FUCKING PROOF that it does.

palaeomerus · September 06, 2021, 05:33:33 PM

Quote from: TheTechnomancer on September 06, 2021, 01:12:15 PM
I should have known that Pazio was woke when they I found out that they had a transgendered dwarf.

That particular thing is just a Discworld trope at this point. Or perhaps the reverse of it.

HappyDaze · September 06, 2021, 05:35:44 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 06, 2021, 05:31:58 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 06, 2021, 10:00:21 AM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on September 06, 2021, 09:53:16 AM
Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 09:40:25 AM

No butthurt. No seething beneath the surface. No rage. It's legit hilarious.

No one cares what a bunch of SJW gimps think. This is a list made purely for us evil doers. I personally, couldn't give a fig whether you find it hilarious or loath it. No skin of my my man tits... It's for informational purposes only.

Although, I do find it deliciously ironic, that they 'care' so little, they take the time to sign up to Pundit's forum just to tell us all about it. Says it all really...
Kinda like how Pundit and his subscribers care so little about what WotC does yet they all have to tell us about the evil leftists and their craziness all the time.

You are here, on my forum, posting about how unimportant I am.
Not, you'll notice, the other way around.

There are entire twitter accounts created, often with multiple posts per day, just to attack me. Dedicating what must be HOURS of work per day in research. They literally read EVERY WORD I write anywhere they can find it, all the time.

I don't do that with any of the SJWs.

It's pretty clear who has the obsession here, you sad bitch.

Your mistake is caring about shit spattered about on Twitter.

RPGPundit · September 06, 2021, 05:42:34 PM

Quote from: echohawk2022 on September 06, 2021, 01:58:22 PM
So good to have this list. I for one really want to know what companies I give my money to are about. I for one have seen many forms of woke media. From comics, to films,rpgs,ect. The one thing they all share is they all on a fundamental level miss their mark and suck.

Welcome to theRPGsite!

You've got to love how much attention the SJWs are generating for this forum. All thanks to Ocule's list of course.

Marcelus14 · September 06, 2021, 05:45:44 PM

Forgive me for getting this wrong, but I was under the impression that there was a specific forum called Therpgpundits own forum, which this thread is not under, and then the rest of the site was specifically dedicated to rpg conversations. Is the entire site rpgpundits forum, or is he just the admin? No /s, full not understanding (as has been mentioned I am new here)

RPGPundit · September 06, 2021, 05:49:17 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 06, 2021, 05:35:44 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on September 06, 2021, 05:31:58 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 06, 2021, 10:00:21 AM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on September 06, 2021, 09:53:16 AM
Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 09:40:25 AM

No butthurt. No seething beneath the surface. No rage. It's legit hilarious.

No one cares what a bunch of SJW gimps think. This is a list made purely for us evil doers. I personally, couldn't give a fig whether you find it hilarious or loath it. No skin of my my man tits... It's for informational purposes only.

Although, I do find it deliciously ironic, that they 'care' so little, they take the time to sign up to Pundit's forum just to tell us all about it. Says it all really...
Kinda like how Pundit and his subscribers care so little about what WotC does yet they all have to tell us about the evil leftists and their craziness all the time.

You are here, on my forum, posting about how unimportant I am.
Not, you'll notice, the other way around.

There are entire twitter accounts created, often with multiple posts per day, just to attack me. Dedicating what must be HOURS of work per day in research. They literally read EVERY WORD I write anywhere they can find it, all the time.

I don't do that with any of the SJWs.

It's pretty clear who has the obsession here, you sad bitch.
Your mistake is caring about shit spattered about on Twitter.

So you now admit that all those people spreading shit on Twitter obviously do care about the existence of this list? Good.

Almost_Useless · September 06, 2021, 05:53:48 PM

Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 05:45:44 PM
Forgive me for getting this wrong, but I was under the impression that there was a specific forum called Therpgpundits own forum, which this thread is not under, and then the rest of the site was specifically dedicated to rpg conversations. Is the entire site rpgpundits forum, or is he just the admin? No /s, full not understanding (as has been mentioned I am new here)

"Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." -- Saul Alinsky

Marcelus14 · September 06, 2021, 05:56:42 PM

Quote from: Almost_Useless on September 06, 2021, 05:53:48 PM
Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 05:45:44 PM
Forgive me for getting this wrong, but I was under the impression that there was a specific forum called Therpgpundits own forum, which this thread is not under, and then the rest of the site was specifically dedicated to rpg conversations. Is the entire site rpgpundits forum, or is he just the admin? No /s, full not understanding (as has been mentioned I am new here)

"Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." -- Saul Alinsky

Well. I see what you are saying here, but I'm specifically referring to a comment by pundit stating that HappyDaze came to his forum. Don't really know how to put forward that my question was genuine, I try not to make a habit of coming into a specific persons house and pissing on their rug. We can be enemies if you want, I guess, but that sounds exhausting.

HappyDaze · September 06, 2021, 06:00:56 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 06, 2021, 05:49:17 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 06, 2021, 05:35:44 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on September 06, 2021, 05:31:58 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 06, 2021, 10:00:21 AM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on September 06, 2021, 09:53:16 AM
Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 09:40:25 AM

No butthurt. No seething beneath the surface. No rage. It's legit hilarious.

No one cares what a bunch of SJW gimps think. This is a list made purely for us evil doers. I personally, couldn't give a fig whether you find it hilarious or loath it. No skin of my my man tits... It's for informational purposes only.

Although, I do find it deliciously ironic, that they 'care' so little, they take the time to sign up to Pundit's forum just to tell us all about it. Says it all really...
Kinda like how Pundit and his subscribers care so little about what WotC does yet they all have to tell us about the evil leftists and their craziness all the time.

You are here, on my forum, posting about how unimportant I am.
Not, you'll notice, the other way around.

There are entire twitter accounts created, often with multiple posts per day, just to attack me. Dedicating what must be HOURS of work per day in research. They literally read EVERY WORD I write anywhere they can find it, all the time.

I don't do that with any of the SJWs.

It's pretty clear who has the obsession here, you sad bitch.
Your mistake is caring about shit spattered about on Twitter.

So you now admit that all those people spreading shit on Twitter obviously do care about the existence of this list? Good.

In much the same way that you care about what shows up in WotC's 5e books, then sure. But I contend that it's all needlessly inflated drama. What tangible effects have you suffered from all of these people hating on you on Twitter? Is it just about the feels (and pimping your brand), or have all of these haters taken any real steps to harm you (and remember, words are not violence)?