Quote from: krank23 on September 05, 2021, 11:44:58 PM
Tell me, what would it take to convince you that most people on the "left" really just find it funny?

I dunno, but the fact that it has apparently become the talk of Twitter is a pretty good indication that they find it significant.

If it didn't matter to them, then why mention it at all?

Twitter swarming out to talking about how the list is a joke and doesn't matter.



"Let's be real here bro!"

Quote from: jeff37923 on September 06, 2021, 03:37:25 AM
I dunno, but the fact that it has apparently become the talk of Twitter is a pretty good indication that they find it significant.

If it didn't matter to them, then why mention it at all?

"Significant" does not mean "they're" angry, though. I mean, finding something dumb your ideological enemies has done and spreading it to show others how dumb it is? Hardly the same thing as being angry. Or afraid.

A lot of people seem to be interested in interacting with this list, or using it. Some talk about it because they think it's funny. Some because they're annoyed at being placed in the wrong category or because they find the reasoning behind some of the placements to be factually incorrect.

And sure, there might be some who are genuinely angry. But that seems mostly like people in this thread projecting, tbh. They've decided their enemies are Really Very Angry, Actually, because it would feel validating to have made the "enemy" angry.

People care what other people think about them. The Twitterati care about this list, and the people here care about the Twitterati caring about this list. I'm sure emotions are a mixture of concern, amusement, annoyance, etc etc. People are like that.

Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 05, 2021, 11:18:03 PM

Quote from: palaeomerus on September 05, 2021, 11:15:50 PM
Uh uh. Laughing. Right.

Nobody has to take my word for it. Open up Twitter and read it for yourself. Sorry if you can't handle the truth.

  Twitter... are you being serious?   Have you sustained a recent head injury?

Quote from: Snowman0147 on September 06, 2021, 12:18:11 AM
Same shit happened with Comicsgate and it will happen again.

The woke Twitter sheep "laugh" at Comicsgate.  Meanwhile, on Saturday a Comicsgate project took in over $100,000.00 in five hours.

A Comicsgate creation and an RPG list are certainly not the same thing, but when woke Twitter "laughs", its not always because something is Ha-Ha funny.

Quote from: skagan on September 06, 2021, 01:33:58 AM
I only came here because I saw the furor, and I just came to see for myself.  I would rather not be banned, but I honestly I am not here to start trouble but give an outsiders view.
The thing is the very first thing I saw when signing in here was warning people against posting about politics and then I find this thread is not only about politics but it's about trying to make some kind of list of "bad companies"  and this list of "bad companies" seem to be most of the big gaming companies and the list of grievances against seems to be on the crazy side (what is a pedo judge?)
If I had to guess, this is an attempt to throw business to the companies on the "green list" under the guise of a bunch of insincere sounding grievances but perhaps I am too cynical.
You can do what you want to of course, but I'm a straight white male who has been gaming since the 70s and I even think is a bad look for gaming.  It's just so petty.

Edited to add :   Some of my grammar was terrible so I corrected it.

Can you point to post anywhere where you have stated that leftest game companies putting gatekeeping statements into their are being petty or a similar reply to a post stating that if you don't have every single Intersectional Marxist  demand catered to you are literal Nazi??

Quote from: pawsplay on September 05, 2021, 03:57:00 PM
A thread complaining about politics in game companies and correctness, that categorizes game companies by their politics and tells us which ones are correct to support and which ones aren't. A little ironic, eh, comrade?

It's information only no one is telling you to do anything fuckwit. Buy what ever the fuck you want.

But given this I am sure you are more than happy to buy anything off the red list.  So take your fake outrage and fuck off.

QuoteYes. To a great extent, fantasy RPGs are playgrounds for outdated stereotypes and privileged fantasies. The way I see it, you have a few options when writing a fantasy RPG:

1) Accept sexist tropes from historical and mythological inspiration and acknowledge them as such
2) Create a non-sexist, egalitarian milieu
3) Combine options 1) and 2) in such a way that you parade around white male privilege in a spectacularly embarrassing fashion
4) Admit you are a sexist, and try at least to make a point of not being an asshole about it
5) Admit you are a sexist, and generally act like an asshole about it

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 05, 2021, 09:40:15 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 05, 2021, 04:03:08 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on September 05, 2021, 03:57:00 PM
A thread complaining about politics in game companies and correctness, that categorizes game companies by their politics and tells us which ones are correct to support and which ones aren't. A little ironic, eh, comrade?

What's hilarious to me is that I firmly believe almost all of the yellow companies will gladly go red if made aware of the list. At that point, the poor green team has to understand that when they complain that everyone is against them, well...they picked the teams.

If that was true, it would be fine, wouldn't it? I mean, why are so many of the leftists outraged? It can't be at the fact that a list was made: they've made outright Blacklists against many game designers in the green section for years, countless times.

Why should they be worried about a list that makes clear who politicizes their games and who doesn't? And who hates regular gamers and who doesn't? I mean, except for those who are being intentionally disingenuous, trying to look like their product and company philosophy is one thing when actually it's another...

The list doesn't do a good job of differentiating who politicized their games from games that simply have politicized writers/publishers. Your own prodicts, for example, are not (intentionally) political, but you certainly are.

Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 05, 2021, 11:14:29 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 05, 2021, 09:40:57 PM

Quote from: palaeomerus on September 05, 2021, 04:07:39 PM
All the concern troll piss indicates the list is not actually appreciated by those trying to pretend a bit too often that they are laughing so hard at it.

They're afraid.

You are both delusional if you really think that. These people are laughing at you, laughing at this forum. You're just embarassing yourselves by pretending otherwise.

Like I said, terrified. Desperate to not have their own tactics used against them, because they know how horrid and unattractive their ideology will seem to most gamers.

Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 05, 2021, 11:34:18 PM

Quote from: palaeomerus on September 05, 2021, 11:22:25 PM
Sorry you can't sell "the truth" better. Still, your concern is noted.

Yeahhhhhh about that

Yeah. Those are all guys furious that this list exists. Which means the list is valuable.

Sorry, but I don't think we'll be taking "advice" from people who would cheer our destruction.

Quote from: krank23 on September 05, 2021, 11:44:58 PM

QuoteLet's see, what's more likely, that none of these people give two shits about this list, or that they all opted to use the exact same strategy to conceal their seething rage? Hmm, yeah, that's a real stumper, all right.

It's kind of interesting how important it is for some of you that people are – must be – angry about the list...

Tell me, what would it take to convince you that most people on the "left" really just find it funny? Or is it just one of those things where no counter-proof will ever be enough, because you've already made up your mind? =)

People don't dedicate literally thousands of tweets to doxxing campaigns, false slanders, misattributions, unvented rage at certain people being even allowed in the hobby, ridiculous declarations of pretend outrage at something THEY have done countless times (making enemies' lists), hacking a google account, and calls for people on the green list to be banned from dtrpg or twitter, because they're mildly amused. They do it because they feel threatened. 

I guess they realize they should feel threatened. SJWs can't thrive in an environment where their real positions are exposed. Ironically, they're helping us do that right now.

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 06, 2021, 08:22:32 AM
The list doesn't do a good job of differentiating who politicized their games from games that simply have politicized writers/publishers. Your own prodicts, for example, are not (intentionally) political, but you certainly are.

And  I am sure you have no problem with his products being on a list on a leftest outlet.  If you do have problem  with him being on a leftest list somewhere else can you point us to the leftest outlet where you have made this known.

Quote from: krank23 on September 06, 2021, 05:27:42 AM

Quote from: jeff37923 on September 06, 2021, 03:37:25 AM
I dunno, but the fact that it has apparently become the talk of Twitter is a pretty good indication that they find it significant.

If it didn't matter to them, then why mention it at all?

"Significant" does not mean "they're" angry, though. I mean, finding something dumb your ideological enemies has done and spreading it to show others how dumb it is? Hardly the same thing as being angry. Or afraid.

A lot of people seem to be interested in interacting with this list, or using it. Some talk about it because they think it's funny. Some because they're annoyed at being placed in the wrong category or because they find the reasoning behind some of the placements to be factually incorrect.

And sure, there might be some who are genuinely angry. But that seems mostly like people in this thread projecting, tbh. They've decided their enemies are Really Very Angry, Actually, because it would feel validating to have made the "enemy" angry.

It feels pretty validating that the Twitter SJW crowd felt like it was absolutely necessary to dedicate countless posts to this and to try to destroy the list, yes. Their wanting to destroy the list is a pretty clear indication that they don't want this list to exist.

SJWs want to point out how woke they are to each other, when they think the normies aren't paying attention, or to the normies when they are in a position of power to threaten the normies if they don't obey. They HATE their real actions being exposed by normies they can't control, in such a way that makes them look weak and exposes how disgusting they really are while encouraging people to not obey them (and in this case, presents them with alternatives).

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 06, 2021, 08:22:32 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 05, 2021, 09:40:15 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 05, 2021, 04:03:08 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on September 05, 2021, 03:57:00 PM
A thread complaining about politics in game companies and correctness, that categorizes game companies by their politics and tells us which ones are correct to support and which ones aren't. A little ironic, eh, comrade?

What's hilarious to me is that I firmly believe almost all of the yellow companies will gladly go red if made aware of the list. At that point, the poor green team has to understand that when they complain that everyone is against them, well...they picked the teams.

If that was true, it would be fine, wouldn't it? I mean, why are so many of the leftists outraged? It can't be at the fact that a list was made: they've made outright Blacklists against many game designers in the green section for years, countless times.

Why should they be worried about a list that makes clear who politicizes their games and who doesn't? And who hates regular gamers and who doesn't? I mean, except for those who are being intentionally disingenuous, trying to look like their product and company philosophy is one thing when actually it's another...

The list doesn't do a good job of differentiating who politicized their games from games that simply have politicized writers/publishers. Your own prodicts, for example, are not (intentionally) political, but you certainly are.

I think the descriptions in the list do a very good job of that, actually. They don't need to state which of the green products put politics into their RPGs, because NONE OF THEM DO.

For the red products, the reason why those are in the red section are stated pretty clearly.