Another thing I was thinking after I made the first version of the list, is it worth having a red category at all. Just focusing on the companies. developers and publishers who are doing something good. I mean sure its nice to know who sucks but the utility is really to get people to look at smaller publishers

Quote from: pawsplay on September 05, 2021, 03:57:00 PM
A thread complaining about politics in game companies and correctness, that categorizes game companies by their politics and tells us which ones are correct to support and which ones aren't. A little ironic, eh, comrade?

Yeah, I gotta say... this entire idea of blacklisting or categorizing companies based on political disagreement which barely has anything to do with the products themselves in the majority of cases is highly facepalm worthy.
This is no better than places like rpg.net, resetera, etc. doing the exact same type of blacklisting (just without the banning, I guess).

Not gonna lie, it's kind of a horseshoe moment.

Just gives people more fodder to proclaim anyone on this board to be part of whoever thought such a list would be a great idea.

Quote from: Ocule on September 05, 2021, 04:12:17 PM
Another thing I was thinking after I made the first version of the list, is it worth having a red category at all. Just focusing on the companies. developers and publishers who are doing something good. I mean sure its nice to know who sucks but the utility is really to get people to look at smaller publishers

That would be radically better.

Quote from: Ocule on September 05, 2021, 04:12:17 PM
Another thing I was thinking after I made the first version of the list, is it worth having a red category at all. Just focusing on the companies. developers and publishers who are doing something good. I mean sure its nice to know who sucks but the utility is really to get people to look at smaller publishers

I think you should lay it all out there so people can make their own decisions. that includes the bad ones.

Quote from: Ocule on September 05, 2021, 04:12:17 PM
Another thing I was thinking after I made the first version of the list, is it worth having a red category at all. Just focusing on the companies. developers and publishers who are doing something good. I mean sure its nice to know who sucks but the utility is really to get people to look at smaller publishers

That would have been a positive focus and probably gotten less grief than going with the negative focus of the current list, but it wouldn't have been nearly as popular here because theRPGsite thrives on negativity.

So very very very very very very VERY concerned.

Quote from: palaeomerus on September 05, 2021, 04:36:21 PM
So very very very very very very VERY concerned.

Concern trolls would not matter if there wasn't the conservative tendency to cave to the slightest pressure.

Quote from: TheTechnomancer on September 05, 2021, 03:18:54 PM
What can you tell me about the sensitivity readers that Hero Games has?

  We don't know much, and if I knew it would have gotten them added to the list, I probably wouldn't have mentioned it, since I don't have much data. All I know is that they used them for Western Hero.

Quote from: S'mon on August 31, 2021, 09:22:57 AM
Sasquatch Studio - not seen anything woke from them, Rich Baker seems a decent bloke. Suggest Green. http://www.sasquatchgamestudio.com/ Albeit they seem pretty dormant.

Roll20 - the constant Support & Fund BLM https://blog.roll20.net/posts/black-lives-matter/ Buy Thirsty Swords Lesbians, etc announcements get pretty tiring. They seem in line with WoTC & Paizo. Suggest Red.

Roll20 also has a policy that states that on character sheets, gender must be open fill-in-the-blank field,  not a limited selection...i.e. male, female.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on September 05, 2021, 04:44:42 PM

Quote from: TheTechnomancer on September 05, 2021, 03:18:54 PM
What can you tell me about the sensitivity readers that Hero Games has?

  We don't know much, and if I knew it would have gotten them added to the list, I probably wouldn't have mentioned it, since I don't have much data. All I know is that they used them for Western Hero.

I figured that Hero Games use them for Western Heroes as well.  I was asking because I was interesting in getting Western Heroes for 6e Heroes.

Quote from: DocJones on September 05, 2021, 04:48:31 PM

Quote from: S'mon on August 31, 2021, 09:22:57 AM
Sasquatch Studio - not seen anything woke from them, Rich Baker seems a decent bloke. Suggest Green. http://www.sasquatchgamestudio.com/ Albeit they seem pretty dormant.

Roll20 - the constant Support & Fund BLM https://blog.roll20.net/posts/black-lives-matter/ Buy Thirsty Swords Lesbians, etc announcements get pretty tiring. They seem in line with WoTC & Paizo. Suggest Red.

Roll20 also has a policy that states that on character sheets, gender must be open fill-in-the-blank field,  not a limited selection...i.e. male, female.

If people wish to strike a blow against all of this, refer to male or female as "sex:" i.e. Tir-Esisanji's sex is female.

When "gender," which is actually meant to refer to things in languages where they have gender- "el chico," "la chica," etc.- was pushed into biology it was the foot-in-the-door success that opened the way to the current insanity we are dealing with today.

For more information on this look up Dr. John Money, and in particular his role in what happened to a boy named David Reimer. Just prepare yourself for some shock and outrage.

Quote from: Ocule on September 05, 2021, 04:05:41 PM
Alright just changed it to viewing only, can y'all let me know make sure the permissions aren't screwed up again. I didnt think allowing suggestions and comments would actually deface the document.

Quote from: pawsplay on September 05, 2021, 03:57:00 PM
A thread complaining about politics in game companies and correctness, that categorizes game companies by their politics and tells us which ones are correct to support and which ones aren't. A little ironic, eh, comrade?

Also no it's really not. Nowhere am I telling anyone what they should and should not buy. If these issues are important to you or bother you, then it's helpful. And science by the strictest definition of the word. If it doesn't matter to you then it probably wont help you. *shrugs* Hell i'd even play some of the games on the rest list if my group really wanted to play them. Like i'd play 5e if my players were set on it. But I can expect to get hated on by them

If you're not telling people what they should buy, why is it called a guide?

I thought this was a joke until I saw how much effort was put into it. But that effort still makes it pretty funny though.

Play the game you want, don't worry about the politics of the game creators. The best part about TTRPGs is that you can add or remove rules as it makes sense for your table. So who cares if a game designer is "woke" or not?

Quote from: Nobbs on September 05, 2021, 06:03:36 PM
I thought this was a joke until I saw how much effort was put into it. But that effort still makes it pretty funny though.

Play the game you want, don't worry about the politics of the game creators. The best part about TTRPGs is that you can add or remove rules as it makes sense for your table. So who cares if a game designer is "woke" or not?

Everyone has to make the choice if they want to give money to people who would put them in a reeducation camp if they had the power. If your answer is no, a list like this clearly has utility. Leftists take this stuff seriously, that is why most of the hobby is the way it is now.

How does Heroforge pander? I don't follow any of their social media, so I've probably missed it.

Quote from: Nobbs on September 05, 2021, 06:03:36 PM
I thought this was a joke until I saw how much effort was put into it. But that effort still makes it pretty funny though.

Play the game you want, don't worry about the politics of the game creators. The best part about TTRPGs is that you can add or remove rules as it makes sense for your table. So who cares if a game designer is "woke" or not?

It's useful to know what to expect from a product. If you are looking for a product that has a bunch of ready-to-run npcs for your adventure this evening, you might not want to risk buying something you'll have to re-write to make it useful. Similarly, if you are considering a book with high production values, chances are you are interested in the art, either to inspire you or to show to your players. If that art is so lacking verisimilitude that it is basically a joke, you're not getting your money's worth.

No one is saying you're wrong to use a product from a Red List company, this seems to me to be entirely a "buyer beware" advisory. Buy what you want, play what you like, but have realistic expectations of what you'll get between the covers of a product from certain companies.

I don't see how anyone can object to helping fellow gamers be informed consumers.