Quote from: 1989 on August 08, 2021, 07:07:36 PM

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Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 08, 2021, 03:01:11 PM
Asians, Blacks, "Hispanics", Jews, Muslims, etc. tend to see themselves as a distinct group which has collective interests and an identity of their own. What makes Western civilizations any different? Hell, even individualism is a trait of western civilization. It is a cultural trait which westerners tend to take for granted. It is a fairly modern western philosophy. Not everyone shares it.

This is the reason why "colorblindness" and "civic nationalism" prove to be failures time after time. The only ones who are seeing "past race" are White, Western people, who refuse to see that they have a culture and an identity of their own.

Before your inevitable exit from here, I will point out to you that culture (such as mine: traditional individualist American) has nothing to do with race.  Far from failing, the idea of a nation where any person can be a part (regardless of race) has proven to be the foundation of the greatest nation ever, responsible for more advancement in living conditions than any other in world history.  It is the tribalists (be they based on race, geography, etc.) that consistently fail to product societies worth living in.  The American ideal, while an offshoot of Western Protestant Liberalism, requires nothing except a commitment to its principles and the corresponding behaviors.  It is open to everyone.  That makes it absolutely superior to any "collective" based on race or tribe.  You should free yourself of your misguided anger and embrace the reality: the only thing that matters is what you believe and how you live.  Everything else is superficial.

I'd have to strongly disagree with you, here. Culture and race are very closely linked. You can always find examples to the contrary, but, in general, culture and race -- very closely linked. I don't see how anyone can even argue that. I am in Canada, not America, but the same thing applies. To take one example, you have second-generation Indians who are still very Indian. They take whatever can benefit them from the white people's system, but still favour their own group, give breaks to their own group, hire their own group, marry their own group, and vote for Indian politicians. They demand the right to wear turbans in the police force (rather than the customary RCMP hat) or on motorcycles (rather than helmets). These people are not interested in assimilating or integrating. They do not see past race, at all. They keep their culture, religion, and in-group preferences when it counts. I think a lot of white people have never experienced so-called reverse racism (which is actually just racism) or discrimination for being white, or they were too dumb to know what was happening. A smile and a kind word to your face, but disdain and sneakiness behind your back. Dumb white leftist baizuo. So gullible.

But this is getting a bit off topic -- my apologies.

This is more than a bit off-topic, it is extremely off topic, and it's clear you know that. Consider this a warning.

(also, having spent a considerable time among Indians, Hindu and Sikh mostly, in Canada and abroad, most of the ones I knew were extremely pro-Canada, and culturally very anglophile, tending to hold strongly to admiration for British institutions and traditions in spite of any of the bad aspects of imperialism; and incidentally, non-Muslim Indians in the Anglosphere tend to vote Conservative)

Now I'm issuing a general warning.

While it's pretty clear that the derailing here was mostly done by, let's call them "people with a strong admiration for racial-nationalism", the woke leftists couldn't have done a better job if they'd been the ones to try infiltrating and stopping this thread.

So, because I think this thread is of value, from here on anyone who posts ANYTHING off topic on this thread will be banned. So if it hasn't got to do with gaming; whether its about your opinions on Israel, Lord of the Rings or anything, you will be banned for it.

I'm curious if there are any good specific examples of cubicle 7 being a red level of wokeness. Just looking at the end products they've been putting out, I can only think of one example that I've noticed. In my opinion they would be better placed in the Yellow tier.

Let me see if i can find anything but you might be right, it's hard to put them on the same level as the other companies under red. Far as I can tell they check all the diversity checkboxes. The art in the new warhammer fantasy roleplay and in wrath and glory reflect this. We have all sorts of weird out of place things, and their community managers all have pronouns in the bio and rainbow flags etc. But then again I havnt really seen the levels of doxxing and harassment ive seen from the others so yellow maybe bordering on red?

Anyone else have any info?

As a long time warhammer fan, I don't really see the problem with the art in their books. I just did a skim of the corebooks and didn't see any issues. One piece of WH40k lore that woke people always try to attack is that Space marines must be male. Their 40k RPG specifically says on page 90 that all Sisters of Battle archetypes are female only and all Space marine archetypes are male only, so to me that is evidence of not being woke.

The only moment of wokeness I've noticed is on one of the pregen characters for their age of Sigmar starter set. These characters include their pronouns on the character sheets. It has 2 visibly male and 2 visibly female characters as well as one who is a sentient tree. For whatever reason they made the dwarf, who appears male, use They/Them and the Tree who is a Tree use He/His. They easily could have made the Tree non-binary if they wanted that in a character.

In my opinion they fit the Yellow Criteria of "maybe they themselves are woke" but the end products are fine with me.

Quote from: Primarch_XI on August 09, 2021, 02:19:00 PM
...The only moment of wokeness I've noticed is on one of the pregen characters for their age of Sigmar starter set. These characters include their pronouns on the character sheets. It has 2 visibly male and 2 visibly female characters as well as one who is a sentient tree. For whatever reason they made the dwarf, who appears male, use They/Them and the Tree who is a Tree use He/His. They easily could have made the Tree non-binary if they wanted that in a character.

In my opinion they fit the Yellow Criteria of "maybe they themselves are woke" but the end products are fine with me.

This should be a capitol offense, lol. I can't seem to find anything worse than that though, it might pop up but it looks like they have fully embraced all the post modernist nonsense but haven't actually attacked anyone yet. really wanted to make em red for this viewpoint alone, but I can move em to yellow for now. I own a legit copy of the pdf for whfrp4 but i managed to also track down one where someone replaced all the art with non sjw art. It was glorious, now we just need to bring back the Fimir in their original glory.

Quote from: Primarch_XI on August 09, 2021, 02:19:00 PM
As a long time warhammer fan, I don't really see the problem with the art in their books. I just did a skim of the corebooks and didn't see any issues. One piece of WH40k lore that woke people always try to attack is that Space marines must be male. Their 40k RPG specifically says on page 90 that all Sisters of Battle archetypes are female only and all Space marine archetypes are male only, so to me that is evidence of not being woke.

The only moment of wokeness I've noticed is on one of the pregen characters for their age of Sigmar starter set. These characters include their pronouns on the character sheets. It has 2 visibly male and 2 visibly female characters as well as one who is a sentient tree. For whatever reason they made the dwarf, who appears male, use They/Them and the Tree who is a Tree use He/His. They easily could have made the Tree non-binary if they wanted that in a character.

In my opinion they fit the Yellow Criteria of "maybe they themselves are woke" but the end products are fine with me.

I wouldn't call them "fully" Woke but they are absolutely Hyper-Corporate to the extreme.  More so even than WotC if you can believe it.  GW's Managment are the worst kind of terminally Mediocre Corporatists.  All they know how to do is acquire and chase trends.

I would put them in the Red category just for that reason. I know that I personally am never going to give GW another cent of my money for entirely unrelated reasons: their attempt to strongarm creators into joining a Streaming platform.

You read that right, a Warhammer-Themed Streaming Platform.   They have since decided to ban fan animations of their IP unless hosted on this platform where they have all the control.

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 09, 2021, 02:39:01 PM

Quote from: Primarch_XI on August 09, 2021, 02:19:00 PM
As a long time warhammer fan, I don't really see the problem with the art in their books. I just did a skim of the corebooks and didn't see any issues. One piece of WH40k lore that woke people always try to attack is that Space marines must be male. Their 40k RPG specifically says on page 90 that all Sisters of Battle archetypes are female only and all Space marine archetypes are male only, so to me that is evidence of not being woke.

The only moment of wokeness I've noticed is on one of the pregen characters for their age of Sigmar starter set. These characters include their pronouns on the character sheets. It has 2 visibly male and 2 visibly female characters as well as one who is a sentient tree. For whatever reason they made the dwarf, who appears male, use They/Them and the Tree who is a Tree use He/His. They easily could have made the Tree non-binary if they wanted that in a character.

In my opinion they fit the Yellow Criteria of "maybe they themselves are woke" but the end products are fine with me.

I wouldn't call them "fully" Woke but they are absolutely Hyper-Corporate to the extreme.  More so even than WotC if you can believe it.  GW's Managment are the worst kind of terminally Mediocre Corporatists.  All they know how to do is acquire and chase trends.

I would put them in the Red category just for that reason. I know that I personally am never going to give GW another cent of my money for entirely unrelated reasons: their attempt to strongarm creators into joining a Streaming platform.

You read that right, a Warhammer-Themed Streaming Platform.   They have since decided to ban fan animations of their IP unless hosted on this platform where they have all the control.

I'm asking about Cubicle 7 not Games Workshop though. Cubicle 7 licensed Warhammer but they also release other games, so if for example their Dr. Who or Lord of the Rings games were super woke you could use that as evidence also.

Quote from: Primarch_XI on August 09, 2021, 02:19:00 PM
As a long time warhammer fan, I don't really see the problem with the art in their books. I just did a skim of the corebooks and didn't see any issues. One piece of WH40k lore that woke people always try to attack is that Space marines must be male. Their 40k RPG specifically says on page 90 that all Sisters of Battle archetypes are female only and all Space marine archetypes are male only, so to me that is evidence of not being woke.

The only moment of wokeness I've noticed is on one of the pregen characters for their age of Sigmar starter set. These characters include their pronouns on the character sheets. It has 2 visibly male and 2 visibly female characters as well as one who is a sentient tree. For whatever reason they made the dwarf, who appears male, use They/Them and the Tree who is a Tree use He/His. They easily could have made the Tree non-binary if they wanted that in a character.

In my opinion they fit the Yellow Criteria of "maybe they themselves are woke" but the end products are fine with me.

Please tell me you're kidding.

I saw the writing on the wall several years ago when the new mascot (on the cover of the corebook and the stand-up, life-sized cardboard model in stores) for Age of Sigmar was a punk-looking strong woman with a coloured mohawk and tats. Stopped playing at that point.

Quote from: 1989 on August 09, 2021, 03:30:04 PM

Quote from: Primarch_XI on August 09, 2021, 02:19:00 PM
As a long time warhammer fan, I don't really see the problem with the art in their books. I just did a skim of the corebooks and didn't see any issues. One piece of WH40k lore that woke people always try to attack is that Space marines must be male. Their 40k RPG specifically says on page 90 that all Sisters of Battle archetypes are female only and all Space marine archetypes are male only, so to me that is evidence of not being woke.

The only moment of wokeness I've noticed is on one of the pregen characters for their age of Sigmar starter set. These characters include their pronouns on the character sheets. It has 2 visibly male and 2 visibly female characters as well as one who is a sentient tree. For whatever reason they made the dwarf, who appears male, use They/Them and the Tree who is a Tree use He/His. They easily could have made the Tree non-binary if they wanted that in a character.

In my opinion they fit the Yellow Criteria of "maybe they themselves are woke" but the end products are fine with me.

Please tell me you're kidding.

I saw the writing on the wall several years ago when the new mascot (on the cover of the corebook and the stand-up, life-sized cardboard model in stores) for Age of Sigmar was a punk-looking strong woman with a coloured mohawk and tats. Stopped playing at that point.

The Stormcasr Eternal in golden armour? It bothered you that much? Off you go to your safe space then.

The new starter set has a mandatory female leader and a gender quota.

What a joke.

Quote from: 1989 on August 09, 2021, 03:40:55 PM
The new starter set has a mandatory female leader and a gender quota.

What a joke.

It has a female stormcast, but not as a mandatory leader and tbh I don't really think having 2 female characters is super woke.

For example here is the image that you found super woke but tbh it just seems to fit with a pseudo valkyrie to me.
https://www.customeeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/60040299070_AoSCoreRulebook01.jpg

For me wokeness is making the Dwarf a they/them. The most crazy example of wokeness I've seen was from Evil Hat in their Dominion of unity book but that is another story.

Quote from: Primarch_XI on August 09, 2021, 03:53:15 PM

Quote from: 1989 on August 09, 2021, 03:40:55 PM
The new starter set has a mandatory female leader and a gender quota.

What a joke.

It has a female stormcast, but not as a mandatory leader and tbh I don't really think having 2 female characters is super woke.

For example here is the image that you found super woke but tbh it just seems to fit with a pseudo valkyrie to me.
https://www.customeeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/60040299070_AoSCoreRulebook01.jpg

For me wokeness is making the Dwarf a they/them. The most crazy example of wokeness I've seen was from Evil Hat in their Dominion of unity book but that is another story.

This one.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Age-Of-Sigmar-Warrior-English-2021

Man, those pronouns are brutal. Unbelievable.

Quote from: 1989 on August 09, 2021, 04:02:05 PM

Quote from: Primarch_XI on August 09, 2021, 03:53:15 PM

Quote from: 1989 on August 09, 2021, 03:40:55 PM
The new starter set has a mandatory female leader and a gender quota.

What a joke.

It has a female stormcast, but not as a mandatory leader and tbh I don't really think having 2 female characters is super woke.

For example here is the image that you found super woke but tbh it just seems to fit with a pseudo valkyrie to me.
https://www.customeeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/60040299070_AoSCoreRulebook01.jpg

For me wokeness is making the Dwarf a they/them. The most crazy example of wokeness I've seen was from Evil Hat in their Dominion of unity book but that is another story.

This one.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Age-Of-Sigmar-Warrior-English-2021

Man, those pronouns are brutal. Unbelievable.

The model has a 2nd head if you want the model to be helmeted instead.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60010299026_DominionSprue9.jpg

Boob armour is unavoidable on the troops and the leader has the narrow waist of a woman.