Quote from: Allvaldr on September 06, 2021, 07:46:03 PM
Thanks so much for this list. Didn't realise there was an RPG related forum around still that isn't run by the woke crowd. Saw the list mentioned on a youtube vid so had to look it up.

Anyway, to the list. I don't immediately get how the company/product split it always made? Like, Free League is in yellow, I can see that, and it's deserved - but Symbaroum is listed separately in the green. I can understand Mörk Borg being listed separately since they're just the ones handling distribution pretty much; but isn't Symbaroum entirely Free League owned? Not saying I don't think the product itself doesn't deserve green, but I guess my question is more like ... how do you decide really to judge a company as a whole, vs an individual product?

Better yet is Kobold Press being Green because their artwork was canceled and Red because of a chapter in one of their Guide to... compilation books.

The whole list idea is just bad.  Buy products that capture your imagination.  Ignore the politics of the publishers.

Quote from: Allvaldr on September 06, 2021, 07:46:03 PMAnyway, to the list. I don't immediately get how the company/product split it always made? Like, Free League is in yellow, I can see that, and it's deserved - but Symbaroum is listed separately in the green. I can understand Mörk Borg being listed separately since they're just the ones handling distribution pretty much; but isn't Symbaroum entirely Free League owned? Not saying I don't think the product itself doesn't deserve green, but I guess my question is more like ... how do you decide really to judge a company as a whole, vs an individual product?

It's my understanding that Free League now owns Symbaroum and brought the developers in house, but initially they were just publishers. I don't think this change has resulted in any content changes though (they recently reprinted some earlier adventures in a collection). But based on their YouTube updates, it seems to me like the Symbaroum is still a separate, independent team, and the people working on the Mutant Year Zero games are a different team.

But yeah, at this point, Free League fully owns Symbaroum, so it probably doesn't deserve the Mork Borg separation.

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Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 09:40:25 AM

No butthurt. No seething beneath the surface. No rage. It's legit hilarious.

No one cares what a bunch of SJW gimps think. This is a list made purely for us evil doers. I personally, couldn't give a fig whether you find it hilarious or loath it. No skin of my my man tits... It's for informational purposes only.

Although, I do find it deliciously ironic, that they 'care' so little, they take the time to sign up to Pundit's forum just to tell us all about it.  Says it all really...

Kinda like how Pundit and his subscribers care so little about what WotC does yet they all have to tell us about the evil leftists and their craziness all the time.

You are here, on my forum, posting about how unimportant I am.
Not, you'll notice, the other way around.

There are entire twitter accounts created, often with multiple posts per day, just to attack me. Dedicating what must be HOURS of work per day in research. They literally read EVERY WORD I write anywhere they can find it, all the time.

I don't do that with any of the SJWs.

It's pretty clear who has the obsession here, you sad bitch.

Your mistake is caring about shit spattered about on Twitter.

So you now admit that all those people spreading shit on Twitter obviously do care about  the existence of this list? Good.

In much the same way that you care about what shows up in WotC's 5e books, then sure. But I contend that it's all needlessly inflated drama. What tangible effects have you suffered from all of these people hating on you on Twitter? Is it just about the feels (and pimping your brand), or have all of these haters taken any real steps to harm you (and remember, words are not violence)?

Well, on the whole words are certainly not violence, even though your side CONSTANTLY claims that they are.

However, literal death threats are a type of violence, and I've had those. More commonly, I've had concerted attempts, organized campaigns, to try to force companies to publicly denounce me and stop working with me, and for my products to be banned.
So their literal goal would be for me to lose everything and starve to death in a gutter. Not just me, all their enemies.

Quote from: Crusader X on September 06, 2021, 06:17:10 PM
Greg Gillespie, creator or Barrowmaze, commented on this list on Facebook.  Greg is definitely in the green group.

That's good to hear!

Screenshot?

Quote from: Ocule on September 06, 2021, 06:31:27 PM

Quote from: Crusader X on September 06, 2021, 06:17:10 PM
Greg Gillespie, creator or Barrowmaze, commented on this list on Facebook.  Greg is definitely in the green group.

Got a link by any chance? I'll add him to the google doc

The Barrowmaze is probably the best OSR dungeon so far.

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Quote from: pawsplay on September 06, 2021, 03:24:54 PM
Bedrock Games should go in yellow. The creator has pandered by stating his Arrows of Indra was trans inclusive before it was cool.

Good point.   ...but how can I tell for sure whether it was a trans on the cover?

I'm just wondering why the Pundit gets a pass. Here is a blog post:

Linkie

The Pundit makes a point about inclusion, stands up for transgender recognition and the right to be feminine, and as the author identifies a character as transgender who is not obviously so.

I guess this follows the rule that something is bad because a leftie does it. To me this looks identical to the so-called "virtue signalling" that has landed a number of authors and publishers on  the list.

Honestly, I think a lot of you are just too cowardly to call the Pundit out on his own board, despite his generous policy toward free speech in moderation .

Oh look, a blatantly transparent YDIS goon!

Absolutely no one should actually be on the Red list just for having transgendered characters or mentioning transgender people in their game product. There's a huge difference between that, and activism/propaganda.

There's an even bigger jump between historically-accurate presentation of a third-gender culture in a historical setting, and force-feeding 2021 values into every single setting/adventure (no matter how out of place or ridiculous it makes the setting).

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 06, 2021, 09:03:34 PM

Quote from: Crusader X on September 06, 2021, 06:17:10 PM
Greg Gillespie, creator or Barrowmaze, commented on this list on Facebook.  Greg is definitely in the green group.

That's good to hear!

Screenshot?

I sent both you and Ocule a PM.

"Ice Crown Enterprise" should be "Iron Crown Enterprises".

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 06, 2021, 09:00:27 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 06, 2021, 06:00:56 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 06, 2021, 05:49:17 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 06, 2021, 05:35:44 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 06, 2021, 05:31:58 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 06, 2021, 10:00:21 AM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on September 06, 2021, 09:53:16 AM

Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 06, 2021, 09:40:25 AM

No butthurt. No seething beneath the surface. No rage. It's legit hilarious.

No one cares what a bunch of SJW gimps think. This is a list made purely for us evil doers. I personally, couldn't give a fig whether you find it hilarious or loath it. No skin of my my man tits... It's for informational purposes only.

Although, I do find it deliciously ironic, that they 'care' so little, they take the time to sign up to Pundit's forum just to tell us all about it.  Says it all really...

Kinda like how Pundit and his subscribers care so little about what WotC does yet they all have to tell us about the evil leftists and their craziness all the time.

You are here, on my forum, posting about how unimportant I am.
Not, you'll notice, the other way around.

There are entire twitter accounts created, often with multiple posts per day, just to attack me. Dedicating what must be HOURS of work per day in research. They literally read EVERY WORD I write anywhere they can find it, all the time.

I don't do that with any of the SJWs.

It's pretty clear who has the obsession here, you sad bitch.

Your mistake is caring about shit spattered about on Twitter.

So you now admit that all those people spreading shit on Twitter obviously do care about  the existence of this list? Good.

In much the same way that you care about what shows up in WotC's 5e books, then sure. But I contend that it's all needlessly inflated drama. What tangible effects have you suffered from all of these people hating on you on Twitter? Is it just about the feels (and pimping your brand), or have all of these haters taken any real steps to harm you (and remember, words are not violence)?

Well, on the whole words are certainly not violence, even though your side CONSTANTLY claims that they are.

However, literal death threats are a type of violence, and I've had those. More commonly, I've had concerted attempts, organized campaigns, to try to force companies to publicly denounce me and stop working with me, and for my products to be banned.
So their literal goal would be for me to lose everything and starve to death in a gutter. Not just me, all their enemies.

My side? Who is that exactly? The people that think the constant social media back-and-forth political slap fights are 99% nonsense? That would be my side.

I will agree that death threats are not acceptable, and I would hope you've reported them to the appropriate authorities (not sure what the exact process is in your part of the world, but contacting service providers is a best-numbers universal step for online threats).

As for the parts about "organized" (I find most online efforts at "organizing" movements to be sorely lacking in organization) efforts to get companies to not work with you, that sucks, but it seems like you provoke that with the approaches you take on establishing your online persona/brand.

It's obvious by your prolific product portfolio (all of which is available in multiple forms) that their efforts have been far more smoke than fire (not that smoke inhalation is fun, but you blow some smoke yourself). Face it, you're successful and some people will always envy that (which leads to most of their shitty behaviors far more than just opposing your views--if you weren't successful nobody would care about opposing your views).

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 06, 2021, 09:33:38 PM
As for the parts about "organized" (I find most online efforts at "organizing" movements to be sorely lacking in organization) efforts to get companies to not work with you, that sucks, but it seems like you provoke that with the approaches you take on establishing your online persona/brand.

I cant remember, are we for or against victim blaming this week?

I asked this before, but here it is again: how many companies became "woke" because they were bullied or taken over?

The fact is that the left wants EVERYTHING under their control. But again, the Cthulhu of the left keeps swimming to the left so...if you are a liberal today and remain there eventually YOU will be on the "wrong side of history." The best possible example of this is the old "Star Trek," which many now say is sexist, racist, patriarchal, etc. But obviously a show from more than half a century ago has not changed, it is the same- but everything else around it HAS changed, moved to the left, and so...

It's happened to me. With anthro-art no less. NOTHING is exempt.

In other news Evil Hat Productions says Red list not inclusive enough, demands that bigots put them on Black list

https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/09/06/evil-hat-productions-attempts-combative-marketing-for-new-ttrpg-thirsty-sword-lesbians-by-declaring-if-you-dont-like-our-politics-dont-buy-our-games/

Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on September 06, 2021, 09:53:57 PM
It's happened to me. With anthro-art no less. NOTHING is exempt.

That's why it's essential we tell them all to F-Off! Art, in any of its forms is one of the most fundamental rights of creativity, free speech and satire. Obviously I include RPGs in this too.

Je suis charlie!

Quote from: Shasarak on September 06, 2021, 10:18:50 PM
In other news Evil Hat Productions says Red list not inclusive enough, demands that bigots put them on Black list

https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/09/06/evil-hat-productions-attempts-combative-marketing-for-new-ttrpg-thirsty-sword-lesbians-by-declaring-if-you-dont-like-our-politics-dont-buy-our-games/

I found it amusing that, when looking at Invisible College on DTRPG, Thirsty Sword Lesbians showed up as something others buying it have bought. I didn't figure there was much in common between them.

Quote from: pawsplay on September 06, 2021, 07:36:35 PM

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Quote from: pawsplay on September 06, 2021, 03:24:54 PM
Bedrock Games should go in yellow. The creator has pandered by stating his Arrows of Indra was trans inclusive before it was cool.

Good point.   ...but how can I tell for sure whether it was a trans on the cover?

I guess this follows the rule that something is bad because a leftie does it. To me this looks identical to the so-called "virtue signalling" that has landed a number of authors and publishers on  the list.

Honestly, I think a lot of you are just too cowardly to call the Pundit out on his own board, despite his generous policy toward free speech in moderation .

Okay. But when has Pundit ever called someone a nazi and told them he doesn't want their money? When has he screamed nazi/racist/antigay at people? When has he ever told them they're unwelcome in gaming anywhere? He does call them SJWs, which they are. He does joke at their expense, but so what? He jokes. OMG! He must be evil!

He might have gone off on someone, but he gets so much shit from the left that most men would have cracked and gone into hiding, that if he did lose his cool many of us would shrug because cool and the left aren't very compatible and they screech half the time.

Besides, what am I to call Pundit out on other than being too nice in his videos to be the final boss of internet shitlords? For him holding the line against the tide of craziness the left is so full of? Hell, give that man a medal!

I know, I know, someone is going to call me a sycophant, but whatever.