Are there even any examples of "alt right" activism within ttrpgs? In the same way that the whole inject their nonsense into the books themselves.

I can't think of any.

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Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 12, 2024, 01:26:22 PM

Quote from: Nakana on July 12, 2024, 01:09:42 PMIn other words: for the right, their political ideologies are part of who they are; for the left, it defines who they are. 

  I think that's because for the left, politics is far more likely to take the place of religion than to be subordinate or even distinct from it.

Bingo. We have a winner!

Quote from: Monero on July 12, 2024, 01:36:53 PMAre there even any examples of "alt right" activism within ttrpgs? In the same way that the whole inject their nonsense into the books themselves.

I can't think of any.

If you go back 100 or more pages there's some german/norweigan guy who posted his White Supremicist RPG product out there for sale.  Beyond that I can't think of a single other 'alt-right' company out there in the same vein.

I recently learned that "Lord of the Rings" is a "favorite cosmos" of the far-right, according to Rachel Maddow. So, I guess all us fans of The One Ring RPG are now part of that group.

Quote from: Katowice on July 24, 2024, 08:30:52 PMI recently learned that "Lord of the Rings" is a "favorite cosmos" of the far-right, according to Rachel Maddow. So, I guess all us fans of The One Ring RPG are now part of that group.

Oh won't the tolkein society have mental gymnastics with this one!

Quote from: Katowice on July 24, 2024, 08:30:52 PMI recently learned that "Lord of the Rings" is a "favorite cosmos" of the far-right, according to Rachel Maddow. So, I guess all us fans of The One Ring RPG are now part of that group.

Woot! Now since I'm running Middle Earth games, I get to be a far-right bigot as well as a woke communist.

Rachel Maddow claimed Narya, the Ring of Fire, is just an anagram of ARYAN. I guess, considering it's worn by Gandalf the White. I never knew.

Quote from: Katowice on July 26, 2024, 12:37:47 AMRachel Maddow claimed Narya, the Ring of Fire, is just an anagram of ARYAN. I guess, considering it's worn by Gandalf the White. I never knew.

Dammit, which one of you chuckleheads told Madcow about Narya?
It was supposed to be a secret!

I had someone begrudgingly explain the rationale to me about why "not wanting politics in games" is istaphobic. See, the average leftist doesn't consider someone's gender identity/sexual preference/etc. to be political, just part of "who they are".  So, therefore, saying "I don't want identity politics in my games" is equivalent to saying "I don't want black people in my game", hence you saying it makes you a bigot.  They don't seem to get that "no politics" means no politics of any sort, but it's only the left who keep thinking everything has to be pushing inclusivity and such everywhere so it looks like it's the left getting most of the backlash.

It is the same reason why they will decry having quasi-historical settings or settings with historical flavor that doesn't feature the same diverse set of ethnicities as the modern world; the fact that, say, there weren't black Vikings in Dark Ages Scandinavia is somehow racist/problematic (and, since the average leftist doesn't understand history and ecology, and is too lazy to engage in actual worldbuilding, they don't understand the reasons why this was the case), so a fictional setting based on Dark Ages Scandinavia has to "correct" that "mistake".

Quote from: Nobleshield on August 05, 2024, 01:43:12 PMI had someone begrudgingly explain the rationale to me about why "not wanting politics in games" is istaphobic. See, the average leftist doesn't consider someone's gender identity/sexual preference/etc. to be political, just part of "who they are".  So, therefore, saying "I don't want identity politics in my games" is equivalent to saying "I don't want black people in my game", hence you saying it makes you a bigot.  They don't seem to get that "no politics" means no politics of any sort, but it's only the left who keep thinking everything has to be pushing inclusivity and such everywhere so it looks like it's the left getting most of the backlash.

It is the same reason why they will decry having quasi-historical settings or settings with historical flavor that doesn't feature the same diverse set of ethnicities as the modern world; the fact that, say, there weren't black Vikings in Dark Ages Scandinavia is somehow racist/problematic (and, since the average leftist doesn't understand history and ecology, and is too lazy to engage in actual worldbuilding, they don't understand the reasons why this was the case), so a fictional setting based on Dark Ages Scandinavia has to "correct" that "mistake".

Welcome - I see that was your first post, and it was a good one. But I don't believe they were telling you the truth. For a start:

Quotethe average leftist doesn't consider someone's gender identity/sexual preference/etc. to be political, just part of "who they are"

That's very much the centrist and right-wing position. It was, of course, a left-wing presidential candidate who said, "If you don't know whether to vote for me, you ain't black." "Coconut" is another racist term left-wingers have coined to try to shame people to vote along racial lines.

As to historical accuracy being equivalent to "I don't want black people in my game", I'd question what they mean by "people". Players, perhaps? If players can't play because they are black, then that's textbook racism, and I'd happily agree that it's wrong. If it means no black characters, then that's something very different. Everyone can play a white character, and next week, when they play Spears of Dawn, everyone can play black characters.

Maybe it's the weird thing where some people want to always play characters as close to themselves as possible. Personally, I prefer more diversity in more characters.

Quote from: Nobleshield on August 05, 2024, 01:43:12 PMSee, the average leftist doesn't consider someone's gender identity/sexual preference/etc. to be political, just part of "who they are". ...They don't seem to get that "no politics" means no politics of any sort, but it's only the left who keep thinking everything has to be pushing inclusivity and such everywhere so it looks like it's the left getting most of the backlash.

Yes, the desire for "no politics in games" is not meant to keep any particular group from having any particular elements in their own individual games if they want, or even to keep publishers from taking particular public political stances or writing games that support those stances. That's their prerogative, and it's mine whether to support them with my time or money or not -- that's what this List is here to help people decide.

The objection is solely to the idea that games, and publishers, should have to do this -- and only for the positions currently favoured by the hobby base in general, moreover -- to be deemed worthy of respect. If a group's identity isn't political, then there's no need to turn every leisure/entertainment activity involving them into a tool for their advancement.

Paizo's designer has dubbed JD Vance a "fascist" and declared that he's not welcome to play Pathfinder:

https://x.com/JasonBulmahn/status/1821485653974270176

Quote from: Valatar on August 10, 2024, 11:43:29 PMPaizo's designer has dubbed JD Vance a "fascist" and declared that he's not welcome to play Pathfinder:

https://x.com/JasonBulmahn/status/1821485653974270176

Why do retard leftists have to go out of their way to jump up and down screaming " I'm an asshole!"

Quote from: Exploderwizard on August 11, 2024, 08:20:14 AM

Quote from: Valatar on August 10, 2024, 11:43:29 PMPaizo's designer has dubbed JD Vance a "fascist" and declared that he's not welcome to play Pathfinder:

https://x.com/JasonBulmahn/status/1821485653974270176

Why do retard leftists have to go out of their way to jump up and down screaming " I'm an asshole!"

Way to show you don't understand pronouns.