Quote from: pawsplay on April 21, 2024, 01:20:28 PM

Quote from: Crusader X on April 18, 2024, 07:23:01 AMGoodman Games is going all in with the trans agenda

Awesome! I'm always glad to see an RPG company standing proud for human kindness and dignity. That's what we need for a healthy industry.

The TTRPG community has ALWAYS been about kindness and human dignity. It's just older creators/players didn't have to do performative nonsense in order to gain social media dopamine hits. It was just built in to us and a natural instinct.

If you think posting a fucking rainbow avatar or exploiting the trans community for their own personal gain is somehow a display of "kindness and dignity", then you really need to reevaluate your values.

Given the fact that less than 1% of the human population are true trans people, and an even infinitely irrelevant number of those play TTRGPs, this type of performative bullshit doesn't even count as "representation" or "inclusion". It's just a bunch of largely straight white people who use minorities as a shield so they can push their own agenda while being hateful towards the people who created, paid for, and supported the ttrpg hobby for DECADES before the tourists showed up(aka STRAIGHT white men).

The hobby will become much healthier, friendly, and gain the respect back that it has lost over the years when the Cultural Carpetbaggers are excised from the hobby like the cancer that they are.

Quote from: Monero on May 02, 2024, 10:03:18 AM

Quote from: pawsplay on April 21, 2024, 01:20:28 PM

Quote from: Crusader X on April 18, 2024, 07:23:01 AMGoodman Games is going all in with the trans agenda

Awesome! I'm always glad to see an RPG company standing proud for human kindness and dignity. That's what we need for a healthy industry.

The TTRPG community has ALWAYS been about kindness and human dignity. It's just older creators/players didn't have to do performative nonsense in order to gain social media dopamine hits. It was just built in to us and a natural instinct.

If you think posting a fucking rainbow avatar or exploiting the trans community for their own personal gain is somehow a display of "kindness and dignity", then you really need to reevaluate your values.

Given the fact that less than 1% of the human population are true trans people, and an even infinitely irrelevant number of those play TTRGPs, this type of performative bullshit doesn't even count as "representation" or "inclusion". It's just a bunch of largely straight white people who use minorities as a shield so they can push their own agenda while being hateful towards the people who created, paid for, and supported the ttrpg hobby for DECADES before the tourists showed up(aka STRAIGHT white men).

The hobby will become much healthier, friendly, and gain the respect back that it has lost over the years when the Cultural Carpetbaggers are excised from the hobby like the cancer that they are.

You hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately TTRPG are only one of many manifestations of this. Where I live there's supermarkets flying rainbow colors and they are even on police cars. And as long as this pendulum doesn't swing back these assholes are going to continue to ruin everything fun.

At this point I think the only thing you can do is to heavily vote with your wallet and keep informing people like with this list here.

Quote from: Monero on May 02, 2024, 10:03:18 AMThe TTRPG community has ALWAYS been about kindness and human dignity. It's just older creators/players didn't have to do performative nonsense in order to gain social media dopamine hits.

It does suck that you have to do that. But for whatever reason, there are a lot of people on this site who seem to feel they have to keep congratulating each other for saying the same tired and basically baseless things.

I was definitely queer before social media existed at all, so honestly I have no idea what you are going on about.

I hadn't even gone through puberty yet, when I started playing characters that explored the frontiers of gender. I didn't even have a clear understanding in my mind of what it meant. I just knew that I didn't fit the rules of gender presentation as they were taught to me, and eventually, it became a vehicle of self-exploration.

I had dated men and women before the Player's Options books ever saw print.

I played in an all-Hispanic adult game of D&D under the 3.0 rules-set, before 3.5 was ever printed.

I never jumped on any bandwagon. I was very much a part of the generation that brought RPGs into the mainstream, and I brought all these personal characteristics with me.

You say "performative nonsense," I say, I'm sorry it hurts your feelings that I exist. Go hug a teddy bear.

Quote from: pawsplay on May 05, 2024, 02:46:29 AM

Quote from: Monero on May 02, 2024, 10:03:18 AMThe TTRPG community has ALWAYS been about kindness and human dignity. It's just older creators/players didn't have to do performative nonsense in order to gain social media dopamine hits.

It does suck that you have to do that. But for whatever reason, there are a lot of people on this site who seem to feel they have to keep congratulating each other for saying the same tired and basically baseless things.

I was definitely queer before social media existed at all, so honestly I have no idea what you are going on about.

I hadn't even gone through puberty yet, when I started playing characters that explored the frontiers of gender. I didn't even have a clear understanding in my mind of what it meant. I just knew that I didn't fit the rules of gender presentation as they were taught to me, and eventually, it became a vehicle of self-exploration.

I had dated men and women before the Player's Options books ever saw print.

I played in an all-Hispanic adult game of D&D under the 3.0 rules-set, before 3.5 was ever printed.

I never jumped on any bandwagon. I was very much a part of the generation that brought RPGs into the mainstream, and I brought all these personal characteristics with me.

You say "performative nonsense," I say, I'm sorry it hurts your feelings that I exist. Go hug a teddy bear.

Bolding mine.

Why does gender have a frontier?

performative
adjective
per·�for·�ma·�tive
disapproving : made or done for show (as to bolster one's own image or make a positive impression on others)

Straw Man Fallacy
A straw man fallacy occurs when someone distorts or exaggerates another person's argument, and then attacks the distorted version of the argument instead of refuting the original point. By using a straw man, someone can give the appearance of refuting an argument when they have not actually engaged with the original ideas.

Quote from: jeff37923 on May 05, 2024, 05:08:56 AMWhy does gender have a frontier?

To defend it against Xur and the Kodan Armada.

Anyway, what do y'all think about Legendary Games?

Quote from: jeff37923 on May 05, 2024, 05:08:56 AM

Quote from: pawsplay on May 05, 2024, 02:46:29 AM

Quote from: Monero on May 02, 2024, 10:03:18 AMThe TTRPG community has ALWAYS been about kindness and human dignity. It's just older creators/players didn't have to do performative nonsense in order to gain social media dopamine hits.

It does suck that you have to do that. But for whatever reason, there are a lot of people on this site who seem to feel they have to keep congratulating each other for saying the same tired and basically baseless things.

I was definitely queer before social media existed at all, so honestly I have no idea what you are going on about.

I hadn't even gone through puberty yet, when I started playing characters that explored the frontiers of gender. I didn't even have a clear understanding in my mind of what it meant. I just knew that I didn't fit the rules of gender presentation as they were taught to me, and eventually, it became a vehicle of self-exploration.

I had dated men and women before the Player's Options books ever saw print.

I played in an all-Hispanic adult game of D&D under the 3.0 rules-set, before 3.5 was ever printed.

I never jumped on any bandwagon. I was very much a part of the generation that brought RPGs into the mainstream, and I brought all these personal characteristics with me.

You say "performative nonsense," I say, I'm sorry it hurts your feelings that I exist. Go hug a teddy bear.

Bolding mine.

Why does gender have a frontier?

Gender: The Final Frontier!

To boldly go where no neopronouns have gone before!

Hi, I am new around these parts. I hope entering here and posting sth  w/o a big introduction is okay. Rowan Rook and Decard entered a new low and call to violence in their newest "output". Violence against "Nazis" w/o defining what and who that is - openly advising people to do violence against former friends or even next of kin. The game is called "Eat the Reich" and is supposed to be a fun romp about hunting Wehrmacht bigwigs in Paris in the 40ies, but alas, after a few pages, this disclaimer comes:

Quote from: D3magogu3 on May 07, 2024, 08:54:00 AMHi, I am new around these parts. I hope entering here and posting sth  w/o a big introduction is okay. Rowan Rook and Decard entered a new low and call to violence in their newest "output". Violence against "Nazis" w/o defining what and who that is - openly advising people to do violence against former friends or even next of kin. The game is called "Eat the Reich" and is supposed to be a fun romp about hunting Wehrmacht bigwigs in Paris in the 40ies, but alas, after a few pages, this disclaimer comes:

Welcome! No need for a grand entrance, we'll get to know you if you stick around.

That's a nasty "disclaimer" all right; I don't know if this game is popular enough to warrant inclusion in the list (others might). I've noticed the list's maintainer tries to avoid bringing attention to games that no one would otherwise notice, which seems good practice to me.

Quote from: Zalman on May 07, 2024, 10:10:46 AM

Quote from: D3magogu3 on May 07, 2024, 08:54:00 AMHi, I am new around these parts. I hope entering here and posting sth  w/o a big introduction is okay. Rowan Rook and Decard entered a new low and call to violence in their newest "output". Violence against "Nazis" w/o defining what and who that is - openly advising people to do violence against former friends or even next of kin. The game is called "Eat the Reich" and is supposed to be a fun romp about hunting Wehrmacht bigwigs in Paris in the 40ies, but alas, after a few pages, this disclaimer comes:

Welcome! No need for a grand entrance, we'll get to know you if you stick around.

That's a nasty "disclaimer" all right; I don't know if this game is popular enough to warrant inclusion in the list (others might). I've noticed the list's maintainer tries to avoid bringing attention to games that no one would otherwise notice, which seems good practice to me.

The company made a fantastic game called "Heart" and "Spire" fantastic settings and games that put a very different spin on the Reverse Dungeon mindset.   

Sadly RRD have gone down the proverbial Social Justic Shithole and are flinging their proverbial poo paradigms to produly project their Purity.

Quote from: Crazy_Blue_Haired_Chick on May 06, 2024, 12:31:02 PMGender: The Final Frontier!

To boldly go where no neopronouns have gone before!

Named after the crappiest Trek film ever (and I'm including the TNG and nuTrek ones in the list)...  Coincidence?  I think not!

Quote from: D3magogu3 on May 07, 2024, 08:54:00 AMHi, I am new around these parts. I hope entering here and posting sth  w/o a big introduction is okay. Rowan Rook and Decard entered a new low and call to violence in their newest "output". Violence against "Nazis" w/o defining what and who that is - openly advising people to do violence against former friends or even next of kin. The game is called "Eat the Reich" and is supposed to be a fun romp about hunting Wehrmacht bigwigs in Paris in the 40ies, but alas, after a few pages, this disclaimer comes:

I've seen the kind of people who take this sort of stuff seriously. You'd have to be a moron to consider them any sort of legitimate threat.

Quote from: pawsplay on May 05, 2024, 02:46:29 AM

Quote from: Monero on May 02, 2024, 10:03:18 AMThe TTRPG community has ALWAYS been about kindness and human dignity. It's just older creators/players didn't have to do performative nonsense in order to gain social media dopamine hits.

It does suck that you have to do that. But for whatever reason, there are a lot of people on this site who seem to feel they have to keep congratulating each other for saying the same tired and basically baseless things. 

followed by a long-winded self-congratulatory post.

So, Gurbintroll has decided that Dark Dungeons is regressive, problematic and in need of a sensitivity reading.

"I was looking through Dark Dungeons today, and after having done Light Fantasy it is looking positively regressive.

It's not just the simple things like the race-as-class and the monsters, it's deeper things like the whole chapter on settling the wilderness and building a domain is pretty damn colonialist and there are things there like Raise Dead only working on humans and demihumans because other humanoids don't have souls (only spirits), and other humanoids not having proper clerics and magic-users, only lesser shamans and sorcerers (and of course that last one is a double-whammy in that not only are orcs and the like given shamans instead of clerics, those shamans are objectively inferior to clerics).

Now this is all stuff that the game inherited from its BECMI and RC roots, but that's not the point. It just makes me cringe when I read it now.

So, since next year is going to be the game's 15th anniversary, I thought I'd start a major overhaul of the game.

Some thoughts include:

1) Lose the race-as-class and convert those classes into Light Fantasy style classes, where ancestry has no mechanical effect on the game.

2) Lose all the monsters that are actually different ancestries of people.

3) It's not going to focus on the weird like Light Fantasy does. The feel will still be more traditional D&D (although it will still have immortals and flying ships and the like).

4) Give everything as good a sensitivity reading as I can, to see if anything else is problematic."

Quote from: yosemitemike on May 12, 2024, 12:00:13 AMSo, Gurbintroll has decided that Dark Dungeons is regressive, problematic and in need of a sensitivity reading.

I was looking through Dark Dungeons today, and after having done Light Fantasy it is looking positively regressive.

It's not just the simple things like the race-as-class and the monsters, it's deeper things like the whole chapter on settling the wilderness and building a domain is pretty damn colonialist and there are things there like Raise Dead only working on humans and demihumans because other humanoids don't have souls (only spirits), and other humanoids not having proper clerics and magic-users, only lesser shamans and sorcerers (and of course that last one is a double-whammy in that not only are orcs and the like given shamans instead of clerics, those shamans are objectively inferior to clerics).

Now this is all stuff that the game inherited from its BECMI and RC roots, but that's not the point. It just makes me cringe when I read it now.

So, since next year is going to be the game's 15th anniversary, I thought I'd start a major overhaul of the game.

Some thoughts include:

1) Lose the race-as-class and convert those classes into Light Fantasy style classes, where ancestry has no mechanical effect on the game.

2) Lose all the monsters that are actually different ancestries of people.

3) It's not going to focus on the weird like Light Fantasy does. The feel will still be more traditional D&D (although it will still have immortals and flying ships and the like).

4) Give everything as good a sensitivity reading as I can, to see if anything else is problematic.

Hey Yosemitemike,

Is that a quote from G-troll? (starting with "I was looking...")