Quote from: oggsmash on August 24, 2021, 03:48:41 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 24, 2021, 03:37:15 PM
-Removing alignment

-removing racial characteristics and essentially turning every character into either a human or a human-in-cosplay with no distinctions

-destroying the concept of archetypes and myth

-the entire setting is 21st century seattle with magic

-Mandatory session zero and rules that make the most demanding or politically activist player able to hold the entire rest of the gaming group hostage to their demands in the named of "social justice"


I would say these are not small things.

And the Candlekeep book was worse than tasha's. And Woke Ravenloft was worse than Candlekeep.

Do you see where this is going?

   Do you feel these movements in their tone have been accelerating?   I have no idea how most of the gang running WOTC think, I do know Crawford's point of view, because I do not think he can talk for more than a minute and not tell me.   Do you think this is him, or all of them, or just sort of a let the inmates run the asylum?

It is obviously accelerating with each WoTC product. I'm pretty sure that most of the WoTC employees are now SJWs.

#AllDrowAreBastards ?

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 25, 2021, 09:24:27 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on August 24, 2021, 03:48:41 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 24, 2021, 03:37:15 PM
-Removing alignment

-removing racial characteristics and essentially turning every character into either a human or a human-in-cosplay with no distinctions

-destroying the concept of archetypes and myth

-the entire setting is 21st century seattle with magic

-Mandatory session zero and rules that make the most demanding or politically activist player able to hold the entire rest of the gaming group hostage to their demands in the named of "social justice"


I would say these are not small things.

And the Candlekeep book was worse than tasha's. And Woke Ravenloft was worse than Candlekeep.

Do you see where this is going?

   Do you feel these movements in their tone have been accelerating?   I have no idea how most of the gang running WOTC think, I do know Crawford's point of view, because I do not think he can talk for more than a minute and not tell me.   Do you think this is him, or all of them, or just sort of a let the inmates run the asylum?

It is obviously accelerating with each WoTC product. I'm pretty sure that most of the WoTC employees are now SJWs.

I don't know a single sane person who looks at a wheelchair bound cripple and thinks "Wow that sounds like a valid character for my fantasy RPG. Not even a cool mecha wheelchair with guns and rockets and shit. Just a strong ramen of colour who don't need no man or working legs to kill that beholder." And that includes actual cripples that I know. RPGs are an escape from disability. Not an enabler of disability.

So yes. WotC are obnoxiously pozzed. Denying this is lunacy. Saying it won;t affect anyone is also lunacy.

You folks are missing one part of this here equation.*Spits in piton*

D&D 5E does fine with wheelchair bound heroes or quadriplegic hero's or even full coma bound heroes.

Just the sheer act of breathing is enough to destroy Vecna or Tiamat or any other big ol Boss.

By building overpowered PC's and underpowered npc's we have finally managed to bring a equality of outcomes to the world of role playing games. It doesn't matter what you roll or who you are or really even how your built and tactics used all wotc characters are winners!

Your Welcome!

SJW Advanced WOTC Team Member


*I am a bit too proud of this one lol it's not even 6AM and I made myself laugh out loud!

Quote from: King Tyranno on August 26, 2021, 04:44:36 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 25, 2021, 09:24:27 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on August 24, 2021, 03:48:41 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 24, 2021, 03:37:15 PM
-Removing alignment

-removing racial characteristics and essentially turning every character into either a human or a human-in-cosplay with no distinctions

-destroying the concept of archetypes and myth

-the entire setting is 21st century seattle with magic

-Mandatory session zero and rules that make the most demanding or politically activist player able to hold the entire rest of the gaming group hostage to their demands in the named of "social justice"


I would say these are not small things.

And the Candlekeep book was worse than tasha's. And Woke Ravenloft was worse than Candlekeep.

Do you see where this is going?

   Do you feel these movements in their tone have been accelerating?   I have no idea how most of the gang running WOTC think, I do know Crawford's point of view, because I do not think he can talk for more than a minute and not tell me.   Do you think this is him, or all of them, or just sort of a let the inmates run the asylum?

It is obviously accelerating with each WoTC product. I'm pretty sure that most of the WoTC employees are now SJWs.

I don't know a single sane person who looks at a wheelchair bound cripple and thinks "Wow that sounds like a valid character for my fantasy RPG. Not even a cool mecha wheelchair with guns and rockets and shit. Just a strong ramen of colour who don't need no man or working legs to kill that beholder." And that includes actual cripples that I know. RPGs are an escape from disability. Not an enabler of disability.

So yes. WotC are obnoxiously pozzed. Denying this is lunacy. Saying it won;t affect anyone is also lunacy.

   I could see a character like Raveneor being viable as a player character (in the right system, GURPS or SW) and he is encased in a hover chair and completely crippled physically....BUT the guy has what appear to be at times, insane psychic powers and is by a long ways the most power character in his warband.   Given 40K is sci fantasy and not fantasy I agree with you to a large degree.  I could see a game where a PC becomes crippled and tries to find ways around it (a wizard who then gets some sort of magical conveyance) that could make for creating challenges and character development that might not otherwise be there, but to create a character with serious handicaps is not likely to be my player's cup of tea.  I could see them sticking with a character they have played for a long time through some sort of crippling injury (we mostly play GURPS, and in the fallout setting they play in, that is a very, very real possibility) but that is not really the same as attempting to make a crippled condition on par with people without that condition.

Quote from: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 09:02:59 AM

Quote from: King Tyranno on August 26, 2021, 04:44:36 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 25, 2021, 09:24:27 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on August 24, 2021, 03:48:41 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 24, 2021, 03:37:15 PM
-Removing alignment

-removing racial characteristics and essentially turning every character into either a human or a human-in-cosplay with no distinctions

-destroying the concept of archetypes and myth

-the entire setting is 21st century seattle with magic

-Mandatory session zero and rules that make the most demanding or politically activist player able to hold the entire rest of the gaming group hostage to their demands in the named of "social justice"


I would say these are not small things.

And the Candlekeep book was worse than tasha's. And Woke Ravenloft was worse than Candlekeep.

Do you see where this is going?

   Do you feel these movements in their tone have been accelerating?   I have no idea how most of the gang running WOTC think, I do know Crawford's point of view, because I do not think he can talk for more than a minute and not tell me.   Do you think this is him, or all of them, or just sort of a let the inmates run the asylum?

It is obviously accelerating with each WoTC product. I'm pretty sure that most of the WoTC employees are now SJWs.

I don't know a single sane person who looks at a wheelchair bound cripple and thinks "Wow that sounds like a valid character for my fantasy RPG. Not even a cool mecha wheelchair with guns and rockets and shit. Just a strong ramen of colour who don't need no man or working legs to kill that beholder." And that includes actual cripples that I know. RPGs are an escape from disability. Not an enabler of disability.

So yes. WotC are obnoxiously pozzed. Denying this is lunacy. Saying it won;t affect anyone is also lunacy.

   I could see a character like Raveneor being viable as a player character (in the right system, GURPS or SW) and he is encased in a hover chair and completely crippled physically....BUT the guy has what appear to be at times, insane psychic powers and is by a long ways the most power character in his warband.   Given 40K is sci fantasy and not fantasy I agree with you to a large degree.  I could see a game where a PC becomes crippled and tries to find ways around it (a wizard who then gets some sort of magical conveyance) that could make for creating challenges and character development that might not otherwise be there, but to create a character with serious handicaps is not likely to be my player's cup of tea.  I could see them sticking with a character they have played for a long time through some sort of crippling injury (we mostly play GURPS, and in the fallout setting they play in, that is a very, very real possibility) but that is not really the same as attempting to make a crippled condition on par with people without that condition.

Ravenor is not an RPG character. He is the primary protagonist of a series of novels, so the comparison isn't exactly accurate. Plot armor, drama, etc.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 26, 2021, 09:19:22 AM

Quote from: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 09:02:59 AM

Quote from: King Tyranno on August 26, 2021, 04:44:36 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 25, 2021, 09:24:27 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on August 24, 2021, 03:48:41 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 24, 2021, 03:37:15 PM
-Removing alignment

-removing racial characteristics and essentially turning every character into either a human or a human-in-cosplay with no distinctions

-destroying the concept of archetypes and myth

-the entire setting is 21st century seattle with magic

-Mandatory session zero and rules that make the most demanding or politically activist player able to hold the entire rest of the gaming group hostage to their demands in the named of "social justice"


I would say these are not small things.

And the Candlekeep book was worse than tasha's. And Woke Ravenloft was worse than Candlekeep.

Do you see where this is going?

   Do you feel these movements in their tone have been accelerating?   I have no idea how most of the gang running WOTC think, I do know Crawford's point of view, because I do not think he can talk for more than a minute and not tell me.   Do you think this is him, or all of them, or just sort of a let the inmates run the asylum?

It is obviously accelerating with each WoTC product. I'm pretty sure that most of the WoTC employees are now SJWs.

I don't know a single sane person who looks at a wheelchair bound cripple and thinks "Wow that sounds like a valid character for my fantasy RPG. Not even a cool mecha wheelchair with guns and rockets and shit. Just a strong ramen of colour who don't need no man or working legs to kill that beholder." And that includes actual cripples that I know. RPGs are an escape from disability. Not an enabler of disability.

So yes. WotC are obnoxiously pozzed. Denying this is lunacy. Saying it won;t affect anyone is also lunacy.

   I could see a character like Raveneor being viable as a player character (in the right system, GURPS or SW) and he is encased in a hover chair and completely crippled physically....BUT the guy has what appear to be at times, insane psychic powers and is by a long ways the most power character in his warband.   Given 40K is sci fantasy and not fantasy I agree with you to a large degree.  I could see a game where a PC becomes crippled and tries to find ways around it (a wizard who then gets some sort of magical conveyance) that could make for creating challenges and character development that might not otherwise be there, but to create a character with serious handicaps is not likely to be my player's cup of tea.  I could see them sticking with a character they have played for a long time through some sort of crippling injury (we mostly play GURPS, and in the fallout setting they play in, that is a very, very real possibility) but that is not really the same as attempting to make a crippled condition on par with people without that condition.

Ravenor is not an RPG character. He is the primary protagonist of a series of novels, so the comparison isn't exactly accurate. Plot armor, drama, etc.

   He could be however.  Conan is not an rpg character either, yet is heavily modeled in many RPGs.  I said I can see a character with that set of abilities being a PC, so I think it is exactly accurate.   As to plot armor, shit some GMs give PCs plot armor. 

I was thinking of starting a new thread for this with the most up to date list, or maybe just include a link to a google docs or something so I can modify the list at any point without worrying about having to edit the original post.

Quote from: Ocule on August 27, 2021, 09:41:30 AM
I was thinking of starting a new thread for this with the most up to date list, or maybe just include a link to a google docs or something so I can modify the list at any point without worrying about having to edit the original post.

Might not be a bad idea.

Either a google sheet or just continually reposting the latest list in this thread would work. Get one of the admins to put a note to that effect (or link for a sheet) in the first post, and you're golden.

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 22, 2021, 03:27:44 PM

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 22, 2021, 09:28:51 AM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on August 22, 2021, 07:29:50 AM
I personally wouldn't consider anti Trump sentiments a viable reason not to buy a product. I'm more against the overly politically correct and the brow beating of, 'you must play our way', and the censorship of art, etc.

The list isn't there to tell you what to buy, or what not to buy.  The list is there to tell you if the crators of a specific game hate you and want to see you put in camps or killed. 

You make your own decisions.

Regarding TDS: as others have stated, it's not about Trump so much as banning people who supported or voted for him.  It is a political attack.  So those companies that do that should get listed as Red.  Also cons and other game forums, like This one:

https://mashable.com/article/rpgnet-forum-bans-trump-support?amp

What a fucking load of nonsense.  The "hate you and want to see you killed" is moronic fear mongering designed to sway idiots (and it seems to gain a lot of traction here). What this list really does is allow posters to virtue signal, just like those on the other side do. It's all rather pathetic tribalism among basement dwellers.

Ladies and gentlemen may I present to you exhibit A: The Tolerant Leftist

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 12:04:38 PM
No, every conservative should lose their life.

That blessed reality is too difficult to achieve in an ethical fashion. Both finding a method specific enough to be ethical and a method that does not corrupt the performers. You asshole pro-life chanting, child murderers are not worth the air you breathe. Regardless of whatever stupid twisted faux logic you decide to replace peer reviewed science with. Conservatives losing their jobs is woefully short of what they actually deserve.

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 27, 2021, 10:03:19 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 22, 2021, 03:27:44 PM

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on August 22, 2021, 09:28:51 AM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on August 22, 2021, 07:29:50 AM
I personally wouldn't consider anti Trump sentiments a viable reason not to buy a product. I'm more against the overly politically correct and the brow beating of, 'you must play our way', and the censorship of art, etc.

The list isn't there to tell you what to buy, or what not to buy.  The list is there to tell you if the crators of a specific game hate you and want to see you put in camps or killed. 

You make your own decisions.

Regarding TDS: as others have stated, it's not about Trump so much as banning people who supported or voted for him.  It is a political attack.  So those companies that do that should get listed as Red.  Also cons and other game forums, like This one:

https://mashable.com/article/rpgnet-forum-bans-trump-support?amp

What a fucking load of nonsense.  The "hate you and want to see you killed" is moronic fear mongering designed to sway idiots (and it seems to gain a lot of traction here). What this list really does is allow posters to virtue signal, just like those on the other side do. It's all rather pathetic tribalism among basement dwellers.

Ladies and gentlemen may I present to you exhibit A: The Tolerant Leftist

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 12:04:38 PM
No, every conservative should lose their life.

That blessed reality is too difficult to achieve in an ethical fashion. Both finding a method specific enough to be ethical and a method that does not corrupt the performers. You asshole pro-life chanting, child murderers are not worth the air you breathe. Regardless of whatever stupid twisted faux logic you decide to replace peer reviewed science with. Conservatives losing their jobs is woefully short of what they actually deserve.

Fools exist along every point of the political spectrum. Don't confuse a line gunman idiot with a movement.

Quote from: Ocule on August 27, 2021, 09:41:30 AM
I was thinking of starting a new thread for this with the most up to date list, or maybe just include a link to a google docs or something so I can modify the list at any point without worrying about having to edit the original post.

You could start a new thread, which would then be closed and pinned, once you have what you feel is a relatively complete list. You could post the list as a post, and also link to google docs. If you later update the google docs list significantly, we can replace the thread.

Bringing to your attention: Spanish antifa-gamers took note of this thread, and apparently forgot I'm Latino and can read them.

They are super insistent that the publisher of Forbidden Lands (Free League) should actually be in the red. Though since they're all communists I wouldn't trust their word on it.

https://twitter.com/agburanar/status/1431522425787748353

Well shit. Forbidden Worlds was good and Mutant wasn't a bad take on the old BRP Gamma World in Sweden thing. I guess Coriolis is alright though to me it felt like West asian/north African Muslim Influenced Firefly with a lot of DUNE stuff poured over the top. Felt very fuzzy like they wanted players and GMs to provide most of the detail.  I just read through the core book though and might have missed a lot.

Never looked into the Things from the Loop or Tails from the Flood because at the time it looked very Stranger Things derivative. I don't find the idea of "unsupervised preteen kids on bikes with free time getting into adventure" exotic at all. I lived it Dottie. Sure there were no robots or time dilation but we fished disc golf stuff out of creeks and looked for fossils and caught people screwing in the woods and got chased by dogs and occasionally an unstable hobo or two.